Looking for Kyoho grape . Please send PM

Where are you located?

zone 6A.

I'm looking for good grape scion.   Never heard of this one though.   

It is very rare and according to one supplier I found -huge  and.............. expensive.

********Kyoho grapes are grapes of the kind of cultivation, the shape of the largest species among the grapes produced in Asia by Japan , it is called "the king of grapes in Japan.**********

I've got the concord, Thompson seedless, and reliance verieties.. This three are hard to beat. I've got a few more verieties I'm wanting to get but love these..

Those are very "good pictures" of a grape that just tastes okay when grown without chemicals or hormones in my yard, or in California in general. There are a number of grapes (Price, Muscat of Alexandria) , even my seedless ones (Thomcord, Diamond Muscat, Reliance), that taste better and I guess would "bulk up" to super market size almost as big as Kyoho with severe thinning, hormones and fertilizers. I read the same hype and advertising as you a few years back, which is why I grew it. If you "eat" with your eyes, then this can be considered a very good grape -raised in Japan by obsessive, dedicated gardeners under perfect conditions. Even when I bought the Kyoho grapes locally at Oriental markets, I was even more disappointed. I prefer to enjoy the taste of richness, complexity, and specific flavors and scents, even mouth feel, from what I'm eating. Size to me means nothing. Some of the most concentrated and seductive flavors in fruit are in the smaller fruits.  
    My last two Kyoho vines received five to six hours of hot afternoon sun. Thinking perhaps that wasn't enough. I've planted my latest Kyoho in a location where it gets all day sun, hoping this would bring out the hyped taste of it. It almost died. I haven't given up on it in terms of it having a flavor that makes it a keeper. It just hasn't delivered over six to eight years so far.
    Best of luck with your search. i hope you find and grow the "king of grapes" and are happy with it.    

Here in SoCal, Kyoho is often found at the CRFG scion exchanges. Lots of folks grow it. I didn't realize it was hard to come by. If you can't find a retailer that ships to your area, maybe try the Germplasm at Davis. Here is a link to Kyoho in the hybrid grape selections held there: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1018347

Thank you for information and link.

Just contacted Germplasm at Davis- it is too late , may be next season.

Found cuttings from China on eBay. Any information about importing cuttings from China?

So, you can not grow Cotton Candy grape from seeds?

What about "Joy" new variety - seems very similar to Kyoho ?      Anybody has any information?

Joy, Faith, Gratitude, and Hope are the newest grape varieties coming out of the University of Arkansas’s research program to develop market style productive grapes for the wet, buggy South East. I don’t grow any of the new ones, but I grow their popular Jupiter variety on its own trellis.  It’s disappointing, to be honest. The flavor is bland and it didn’t even sweeten up to the point where it was worth picking last year. The birds weren’t as fussy. UoA's Venus was seedy and also bland-now gone. Their Reliance is good and actually has some flavor, even though it’s more mild than my favorites. It ripens at a good time between other good grape varieties.

 California is as much “grape paradise” as it is ‘fig paradise”, so all the factors that make a good supermarket grape aren’t as important for me. As a home gardener, I only grow fruit for their strong flavors and especially like the Muscat flavor in grapes. If I wanted bland, supermarket grapes, I’d buy them at the grocery store. I read somewhere that strong flavored grapes are weeded out by university programs because they don't sell to people raised on bland supermarket grapes and expect that lack of flavor. 

One of the most innovative programs in the local schools was a "Fruit of the Week" program sponsored as an extension of the school lunch program. The schools all provide fresh fruit at lunch time, like Red Delicious apples, but they taste so bad the children won't eat them. In "Fruit of the Week", one fruit was taught every few weeks with its own curriculum materials and the program provided quality fruit for the children to try in class and even take home. Fruit trees were planted at the schools. It resulted in more attention being given fresh fruits by the school lunch people, better quality fruit served and more fruit being eaten instead of dumped. I drove by one of the local schools where I worked at the time and only one fruit tree had survived over the years. I guess they weren't watered over the summer. One grandfather had started a strawberry patch there for the children but it passed when he did.     

Thank you for answer. Seems like you know more then other members about grape.
But after all this forum about figs, so I kind of understand members ignoring my questions.

I don't think people are ignoring the question. They just don't have an answer for you. As you said, this forum is about figs, not grapes. If I hadn't googled: grape vine "Joy", I wouldn't have known what you were talking about. Best of luck with it. 

True.

My favorites are Flame, Summer Royal, Princess, and Crimson. These are better than the hardy seedless grapes like Reliance but have much less disease resistance and aren't as hardy.

The best tasting grape by far of any I've grown: Summer Muscat. Try that and you'll understand why Muscat flavored grapes are special. But the berries are small and crack badly even in my greenhouse.

Thank you. I will try to see if it will grow in my climate.

Mara:

Summer Muscat is definitely worth netting. Sure wish I could figure out how to grow bigger berries that don't crack. This is IMO one of the best flavored fruits anywhere anytime. Hope you like yours.

Gordenia:

Where are you located? The grapes I grow are very difficult in humid climates and a total loss where it drops below zero F.