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I got lucky finally! These were marked 1/2 off last night so we ran over this morning. The big ones were $12.50 and the smalls were $8.00! Not too shabby for pottery.

I just scored a bunch of large cement planters from Lowes too!  Home Depot has been running a bunch on sale also.

Nice haul!! I'm going to my local HD. Maybe I'll get lucky.

I used to like HD and I thought they had a slightly higher quality of stuffs over Lowes but it seems like the last 5yrs or so they have gone downhill. These days I can't ever find the simplest things over there and always wind up ordering online and shipping to store if it's something I need. I just seem to have better luck at Lowes.

only problem with those are that they are very porous and loose water on their sides...what I did with mine is I lined them with plastic with just a few holes inside, so there is some breathing, but not enough to dry up the entire contents of the pot.

These are nice shaped also. Good for you.

A question about the terracota vs plastic black nursery pots.
If we place two pots, terracota and plastic, 5 gal each, in a sunny location side by side for the entire day,
Which one will be hotter inside? Which one will not bake the roots?

Grasa, that's a great tip, Thank you! I believe these pots are already lined with some type of coating just for that reason.

greenfig, seems to me that the terracotta would preform better, you'd just have to make sure to water properly I guess. I also got some of the fabric grow bags to test those bad boys out.

I tend to stay away from Terracotta because they do seem to loose moisture fast and break easy.  The fiberglass pots are nice, same with the large cement planters like Sophie picked up.  And I've had good luck with the wood whiskey barrels. 

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Originally Posted by JustPeachy
Grasa, that's a great tip, Thank you! I believe these pots are already lined with some type of coating just for that reason.

greenfig, seems to me that the terracotta would preform better, you'd just have to make sure to water properly I guess. I also got some of the fabric grow bags to test those bad boys out.


Sophie,
I googled for the terra-cotta vs plastic in heat and discovered that plastic, actually, is better. Here is one of the short answers from here http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100723092802AAgEOli :

Terracotta pots hold A LOT more heat than plastic ones. For one, they are lots heavier. For another, they contain water and hydrated salts that have large specific heats. Also, they radiate quite inefficiently. Check it out for yourself, get a terracotta pot and a plastic pot of similar size and leave them out in the sun. Hours after sunset, the terracotta pot will still be quite warm to the touch while the plastic pot will be ambient temperature.

Intrigued, I set to test the temperature of the 5 gal plastic and about 10 gal clay yesterday. I was very surprised by the findings. At 10 pm, when the air was cool outside, the plastic soil was cool, the terra-cotta soil was too hot to keep my hand in!!
The both pots with soil only (no plants) spent all day under the sun on a deck, I have a number of plants in pots there.

I will buy 2 soil thermometers this week and will try to measure the temp hourly.
I suspect that the max will belong to the plastic, probably, but the total time at the way-too-hot temp for the roots would belong to the terra-cotta.

I can also try to insulate the terra-cotta inside and check the difference.

I'm not sure why, but I find glazed pots to work better than terra cotta.  If you are doing a comparison I would be interested to how they compare to the two you are currently testing.  And by plastic are you testing the standard black grow pots or another variety?

Meghan,

Yes, by plastic I mean the standard nursery black 1-2-3-5-10 gal pots. What you can get everywhere.
Sorry, I don't have any large glazed pots at the moment, only some tiny 1/2 gal ones. I think those are too small for this.

I like terracotta pots. The added weight is helpful during windy weather for extra stability. I water nightly when it's needed,  I have never had to water more than 1x/day. I think it is good that they lose water, that way I don't have to worry as much about excessive moisture retention or perched water.
When I store my trees in the garage in the winter and we get warm spells, I can take ice from the freezer and put it on top of the soil to help keep them cool and prevent early dormancy break, with terracotta there is far less worry about root rot due to excess water in the pot. With plastic I might run into problems during an extended or repeated warm spell(s).

It is important to shade the sides of the pot if the trees leaves are not shading it. Terracotta pots do build up heat and retain it well otherwise. However, this can also be looked at as a huge attribute. In the spring and fall when night time temps are cooler I encourage sun on the pots and take advantage of the retained heat and warming of the roots. Obviously, one must make sure it's just not too hot, so sometimes partial shading is the answer. Another bonus of fall pot warming is that it may help in the ripening process of your figs, especially with some of the varieties that require some heat to ripen well and develop better flavor. Depending on where you live you might be happy to get some warmth wherever you can get it. It's the same concept as removing the leaves from the lower portion of a tomato plant in the fall so the sun can warm the soil more and give you a bit more ripening before the freezes hit and your left with a ton of green tomato's on the vine.

This isn't saying that I am entirely against plastic pots though. The majority of my up-comers are in plastic. The whole constant up-potting process would be a pain with all terracotta for several reasons. A smaller pot also depletes it's water faster, so there is another plus for plastic. Ease of everything due lightweight is the biggest plus. As it stands, eventually my goal is to have all my big plants in terracotta, but I am trying some larger plastic pots too. I have to keep myself open to other advantages I may discover in the future, maybe they will just grow better.

The biggest reason that I am in favor of clay or terracotta pots is the organic or all natural standpoint, I don't want to worry about any breakdown or chemical leaching, period.  Simple terracotta isn't painted with a sealer inside either(what is that stuff?). Glazed clay pots, maybe they are the answer for some people. Especially if you can not water daily.

I'm not trying to be a bummer, but there is one really big down side to those pots pictured in the beginning. You are going to have break them to get the root ball out when you chose to up-pot or re-pot.

Calvin, excellent points for terracotta. I don't plan on breaking them to get my plants out, but if I do manage to break one or two, I won't be crying about it as hard as if I paid full price for them!

And my intention was not to plant all figs in them either. I have loads of other plants that need homes and some of these may remain empty until next spring. These pots were on sale, I loved them so I jumped on them!

greenfig, I'm interested to see your results on the heat stress tests!

Thanks for all the great information, guys!
 

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