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OT: Small plum that looks like a cherry.....

.......growing on a large bush-type tree that has white blossom on it right now. If memory serves, the fruit is predominantly yellowish in colour, with an orange to red blush. Taste is amazing and sweet, and for a while we even thought it might be a cherry coz of size and appearance, but we eventually worked out it must be a plum.

So my questions:

1. If anybody knows, what's the best site for getting it ID'd? And

2. Can I take an air-layer off it?

Unfortunately for us, it's in a garden that will not be ours for much longer. It's been sold. Oh yeah, there's a house attached to this garden as well, but who cares, right?

EDIT: I'll be there tomorrow, so I'll post some pics later on if anybody wants to chance their arm.

Could be a bush cherry (related more closely to plums)?

I would post a question at the Garden Web Fruit and Orchard forum here: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/fruit/

Thanks Ed. I'll give it a go there as well.

Costa neighbor across the way has large bush that gets white blossoms and for first time gave small yellowish fruit that to us tasted like plum and that were sweet .
He ask me if i knew what it was but i do not other than possible some sort of plum as there a little smaller than the store
plums but much bigger than a cherry.

Martin - Hmm, interesting. I'd say ours were only slightly larger than a large cherry, but could still be within the same family of fruit, if not genus. But for a plum, definitely on the small side. That's why it had us foxed for such a long time.

Can I post some pics here tomorrow evening & ask you to compare for me?

Sure Costas i remember what they looked like on his large bush, they ripened late in season as a note and many fell
to ground in process as there was so much of them.
You know now im curious because i forget if there was a seed inside them or not but i dont think there was.

There is a native American plum called a beach plum that could be considered as well.  There has been some hybridization done between a variety of native American plums and Eurasian varieties that are another possibility. 
The various native American plums, the beach plums, bush cherries and the cherry-plums are all smaller than typical prune plums, gage type plums or the Japanese (Asian) plums.
Looking forward to the pics, and a positive ID as well.

Thank you Martin. Ours had a stone that resembled a cherry stone rather than a plum stone, so you can see the reason for our confusion. I can't remember why I excluded the possibility that it might be a cherry - I think it was mainly because this is a bush, not a tree, but don't know if that's such a reliable guide for identifying the fruit.

Just to add to the confusion, I've seen cherries growing on plants that look more like bushes than trees, so I'm just one step away from going back to square one and declaring it a giant cherry!! 

That's all very well Ed, but we live in London, and any connexion we have with the US is tenuous to say the least, so there is no direct botanical link as far as we are aware.

The garden (along with the attached house) actually belongs to the missus, and although she has relatives in NY, says she can't remember the bush's origins, other than her parents were always in the habit of throwing pips, stones, seeds etc out in the garden, and apparently they always sprouted! Not very helpful, so make of that what you will.

Glad of your interest though, and I'll be sure to post some pics for you to ponder over. If you reach any conclusions, by all means let me know.

Could be a flowering plum, which sometimes has small fruit.

There is the relatively new hybrid that is a cross between a plum and cherry called the "Pluerry." There are also Ranier cherries which are yellow but aren't plums.

Thanks for the info fellas - all v. interesting, and who knows which of these will turn out to be the 'solution' to my query.

Anyway, got the pics, but with apologies to Martin & Ed, feel thoroughly washed out by a recent viral infection that has knocked the stuffing out of me. Too tired to upload now, so if it's all the same to you guys, will upload soon as tomorrow. Watch this space. 

Hey there Costas no hurry at all .

Can you post a picture of the fruit, leaves and bark. When posting the pictures put in something to show the size of the fruit and leaves. This could help in identifying it.

Swizzle like a quarter in a shot ? ; )

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@ Swizzle - Knew I forgot something. As I said, that infection really taken it out of me lately - just not been feeling myself, so not surprised I goofed.

Unfortunately, no fruit this time of year - I don't live in the Tropics (or S. Hemisphere)! The fruit sets in late Spring, and ripens throughout Aug and early Sept. The garden/house most likely won't be in our possession by then, so getting pics might be quite tricky, but might just be doable.

Anyroad, I'm back there tomorrow, so I'll take some more pics anyway. I'll upload what I've got so far soon today, & bear in mind when you see the flwr close-ups that flwrs are around 1.5 - 1.75" dia., but I'll do proper scale photos to confirm.

Figure I've got nowt to lose, so reckon I'll do that air-layer anyway. Also wanna take air-layers off a bay leaf tree (don't know if that would work either, but worth a try).

AND...........just to get back on topic!!! (briefly mind)...............2 massive air-layers off another Italian purple fig tree - ie Greek Style, as described in a link I'll add later for those interested in doing things on a grand scale.

OK, now uploaded in photobucket - all 19 pics, so hope this link works, otherwise will have to go back & copy another one:

Nope, didn't work - it uploaded an old library as well, which I wanted to avoid. Will have to go back & edit. Meantime, link deleted until I sort this out.

ok, let's try this link:

http://s989.photobucket.com/user/loquat1/slideshow/

Curious to see what html embed does:

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://s989.photobucket.com/user/loquat1/embed/slideshow/"></iframe>

Hmm - nothing, I guess, unless copied/pasted into a browser. Well, previous link works anyway. When missus saw the flwr close-up, her immediate response was 'cherry blossom'!! I'm never gonna get to the bottom of this, am I?

What about flash embed?

Nope edited out.

e-mail & IM?

http://s989.photobucket.com/user/loquat1/library/

Also works, but not much of an advance on the slideshow. OK, that's enough playing around. I think that will have to do for now. 

From the pics on your slideshow, and knowing these are small yellow plum-like fruit, I think they may be a mirabelle type plum.  The trees look like plum trees.  Those flowers look like typical European plum flowers, and the Mirabelles are supposed to be smaller than other plums, larger than cherries.  Seeing the fruit or stones would help, but since that is not possible for us, did they look like the Mirabelle de Metz or Mirabelle de Nancy pictures in this link to Raintree Nursery?
http://www.raintreenursery.com/Fruit_Trees/Plums/European_Plums/Mirabelle_Plums/

Hey Ed. Thanks for your continued interest.

They looked like neither of these. Firstly, there was a strong orangey-reddish blush on ours that covered up to 30%+ of the fruit. Secondly, the shape was not as 'rounded' as these. They looked more........well, 'cherry' shaped - ie 'squashed' top & bottom, with a more marked central depression.

I know what you're gonna say - they're cherries. No they ain't - they're just too big to be cherries - unless they are some variety that's completely new to me (and possibly science). I know, not very likely.

I can see some serious gaps in my pics, aside from the scale problem. I'll take some close-ups of the leaves and bark/trunk as well tomorrow & post a few more pics later on in the week.

And if my air layer 'takes', I'll post some fruit/stone pics later in the year too. If not, I'll see if I can get permission from the new owner to harvest some of the fruit. I'm sure they won't mind, and we might even be able to get it written into the contract of sale.

In the meantime, apologies for the limited range of info they contain. Botanical studies were never my strong point!

Hi,
It could be a wild plum - grow from a stone .
The leaf is not a match for a cherry tree.

Right, so at least we're agreed it's def. a plum. I call that progress. That only leaves variety ID, which is probably best left to the site suggested by Ed. Better still might be the UK equivalent if I can find it. Thank you jdsfrance.

@ Martin - Any comments on how this compares with your neighbor's tree?

I think I might have found it. Sure looks a lot like this one here:

http://www.orangepippin.com/gages/early-transparent-gage

More pics here, and practically certain this is the correct ID:

http://www.orangepippintrees.co.uk/plum-trees/early-transparent-gage

Mystery solved. I'll know for sure if/when we manage to get some fruit later this year, but I'm pretty confident about this ID.


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