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OT: Small plum that looks like a cherry.....

That plum looks delicious. That tree is beautiful. I wish I had one in my yard.

Yes, it's quite a handsome tree, and as I said, the taste of those plums is amazing - sweet, yet complex with a slightly tart 'edge'. Shame it's not ours for much longer, so really hoping that air-layer takes. 

I'll update again when I know.

Costas looking at your photobucket pictures and fruit pictures in post#25.

His tree has same shape, the flowers look similar, fruit picture in post#25 looks somewhat different (color) from his as his has more
of  yellowish/orange type color i don't recall the red dotting on the top of fruit like in the picture.

But then again when tree was brought to my attention the fruit was all over the ground under tree with a few left on so they were
very ripened and i did not see them going thru the earlier ripening stage.

I recall skin was smooth waxy type and somewhat transparent .
Shape looks to be the same.

Will take picture and post in this thread of his tree when time comes and also picture of its fruit later this season.

They might be related, but I'd be very surprised if they were the same variety - a direct connexion with a tree growing in the US would be quite a coincidence.

Shame he allows so much of the fruit go to waste. Does he not like the taste? Ours is great.

Your right about that i doubt there the same at all.
He is from Pakistan traveling back and forth lived in Canada for number of years.
Just never asked him what he used to plant the bush - seed or plant or what.

In our area we all had homes built around same time and many of us original owners still reside here
planting much of everything ourselves .

Glad i refused the builders ash trees 24 years back and planted different types as the town had come and took them all out last fall cause of the ash borer infestation.

Once weather settles down we all will be out an about and talking soon i'll ask him.
Had a lot of snow melt today !

I don't know, looking at your pictures, I'm not sure you can tell. If I had to choose a side I would say cherry, and that would put it into something like a Rainier category. If you say the pit looks like a cherry...then I think it's a cherry. Also, the bark at the base has the appearance of a typical cherry tree, smooth and speckled. Also, if you look at the growth habit of limbs, they grow vertically away from the main trunk; typical of many cherry varieties. Of course if one could see the grown leaves and ripe fruit and pit..that would make this easier. You could always try grafting it.
 Maybe this will help. Can you remember if the skin of the fruit had a  bloom on it, or was it shiny smooth? Bloom=plum & smooth/shiny=cherry.

I had a large old plumb tree with small fruit similar to what you described at my old house, the fruit was so-so. But every spring for about 2 weeks it was loaded with tiny white flowers that smelled really very pleasant and not overpowering like some flowering trees can be.

UPDATE - So here's the ripe fruit guys, & I'm still satisfied that it's a plum - not a cherry. Sorry Calvin. I'm also confident with my ID - this is almost certainly an early transparent gage. The reddish blush is a lot more pronounced than I remember, which probably contributed to the ID confusion.

Taste is definitely plum-like rather than cherry-like, so wonder how I ever confused it with a cherry. Guess I'm too conditioned to expect plums to be bigger.

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Those are beautiful. Rain tree nursery sells something like a plum that looks like a cherry. Check out their catalog. How good do they taste?

It's a chum!

That is definitely not what I had in my yard. Never seen one like that before. Thanks for the follow-up pictures.

@ FF -

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 How good do they taste? 


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 Taste is amazing and sweet, and for a while we even thought it might be a cherry coz of size and appearance, but we eventually worked out it must be a plum.

BTW, it's a negatory on the air-layering. Tried & failed. Now wondering if I should try growing from seed. Certainly got enough of them, but some fruit trees have a reputation for being sterile when grown from seed. Makes you wonder how they ever made it. 

@ Calvin

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Thanks for the follow-up pictures. 


They were taken in semi-shade in our kitchen, & wonder if there's too much shadow in there for members. Maybe not so much as to spoil the info they convey, but now considering taking future pics in direct sunlight outside in the garden.

I mention this only coz I still have a fig that remains unidentified (the subject of another thread), which I've nicknamed TbF (Tasty but Fussy). Fussy coz it needs an exceptional UK summer to deliver more than a handful of the goods.

So wondering if pics taken outside might improve chances of an ID this year? Any thoughts welcomed.


@ me - 

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 this is almost certainly an early transparent gage


Still can't see thru them tho.

This looks like Guthrie plum Prunus Angustifolia, which is a wild plum in North America.

@ Bass

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This looks like Guthrie plum Prunus Angustifolia, which is a wild plum in North America. 


Certainly look similar, but I don't think this is an exact match. The colors are slightly different in both blush & non-blush parts. This, on the other hand, is an exact match with what I see 'in the flesh':

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=early+transparent+gage&espv=2&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=fmjGU6KGL6Op7Aa-oIHoDQ&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=643

Also, this is the UK, don't forget. How likely is it that a N. American wild plum has found its way over here? Unless we're simply talking different names for the same variety - not unknown in the fruit tree world of course.

I am not an expert on Gage plums, but that definitely looks a little small to me compared to my Green Gage plum.  My guess is that it is not a named variety but something that grew from a plum seed, possibly a Gage type or a Mirabelle type as one or both of the parents.  And I would bet that those seeds would grow something, just not sure if it would be like the parent.

Wish we could try it, looks great!

Hey Ed - Definitely not a Green Gage. Very familiar with that variety - used to eat them a lot in my youth, & an excellent plum. No, this is a different variety, hence the preceding qualifiers 'Early Transparent'. They might be related, but certainly not the same variety, and yes, these are a lot smaller. As the thread title suggests, these are approx. cherry size on the average.

I think the ID above is sound, but funny you should mention the seed theory. My mother-in-law was in the habit of throwing seeds out in the garden, & my wife thinks this plum tree was one of several consequences. Other consequences include several loquat trees, and a pear and apple tree.

You never know, but surprised at your suggestion that the seeds are not necessarily true genetic representatives of the parent tree. That also flies in the face of common sense and basic biological principles, but does tempt me to have a go & see what develops. 

If you don't have a stone fruit to graft it to, you could always buy a small plum tree and graft this variety to it. Or maybe order a good rootstock for grafting.

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You never know, but surprised at your suggestion that the seeds are not necessarily true genetic representatives of the parent tree. That also flies in the face of common sense and basic biological principles, but does tempt me to have a go & see what develops. 


Most times seeds of known apple, pear, cherry, plum, peach, fig or other common fruit cultivars, while still growing out as the same species, do not look exactly like the parent.  Even if pollinated by itself there is enough genetic reshuffling that the DNA of the offspring is different.  That is why desired cultivars are grafted (or in case of figs, grown from cuttings)

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