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Poms are so easy to root.  I just stick them in soil and they take off.  Even easier than figs.  My problem are those stink bugs.  They attacked last year and devastated my crop.   It's war this year.   If you have the same problem, let me know how you fended them off.   I tried throwing diatomaceous earth on them and that was actually fun, but they survived.   

Pomegrantes are cool but the strong winds at my terrace keeps blowing the young fruit from the tree.

in the same wind my figs fruits hold strong to the tree branches and grow fine.

also it suffers alot from diseases  that i think fig trees less prone too.

All in All figs 4 disease and pest free fun.

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Originally Posted by nhardy
I deleted my orginal bookmark but found some other info on Eversweet AKA 'Armchat'.  Mid Aug. it said where others said Sept. Grenada was a full size that I did not think I could keep small.

http://www.google.com/patents/USPP5418
http://www.edvaldivia.com/Chater_Chart.pdf

I found to remove the seeds all you need is a knife, a bowl of very warm water. I skin some of the flesh without cutting into the seeds at stem and the blossom end. I skin about half a dollar size of the flesh on both ends. Soak at least 10 minutes or when I return to the kitchen.  Then I shuck it.


I'm quite familiar with this variety, having grown it for five years and visiting the original parent tree with Edgar Valdivia a few years ago.  In my experience, it is not any more of a dwarf tree than the average pomegranate and it does not seem early, though it is edible at an earlier stage since it has less tartness to begin with.

As far as the Pomegranate tool linked above, that's one of the things I demonstrate on my web site.  I found this tool helpful and was the first to import it in bulk (~300, as I recall) into the USA.  I sold all of those at a modest profit just to help get more people exposed to enjoying pomegranates easily.  By then, there were numerous Israeli eBay sellers offering the item for just a little more than what I was selling them for so I did not bother to import them again.  I gave a couple of them to Jeff at USDA/NCGR Davis to help in the preparation for the pomegranate fruit tastings there.

Scott,  Apparently I live somewhere near you as I am north GA.  zone7b also.  Could you tell me if you grow your pomegranates in ground or pots and if they are hardy for in ground would you please share the varieties.  I currently have 3 wonderful that produce very well for me the grandkids eat them as fast as they get ripe.  I just purchased 2 Russian that are very small 1quart container and have been trying to decide if they would be o.k. to plant in ground or just leave in larger pot for this winter so I can take inside.

thanks
goss

By the way I am in Canton

All three pomegranates that I have are young plants ( 5 years this year) in the ground for 2 years now, I think. Ink has not leafed out yet this year although there is still green under the bark (I moved it during the summer last year). The other one from UC Davis is Koine (Koinekasyrskii Kislosladkii Krasnyi). It hasn't fruited yet. The third is a cutting given to me that originated from an old tree up by Hartwell (the owner said it was a large tree that she estimated at 40 years, I haven't seen it). It has fruited for me and she brings me a big basket of pomegranates from the mother tree every year. It may be wonderful or some other variety. Fully ripe, the skin is kind of orange and the arils are dark red--sweet sour taste.


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Scott 
Did you kill the Parfianka or could it not take the weather here.

thanks
goss

Goss, I've communicated with Mike Hotchkiss of USDA/NCGR in Byron, GA who manages a small collection of pomegranates at the repository there.  In 2010 he included the following comments in one of his emails to me which should be useful in you when selecting varieties to try.  (Chris's R-8 was tentatively identified as Salavatski, btw.)

The ten cultivars I recommended to Chris were somewhat arbitrarily selected because they had mostly survived two severe freezes (OF and – 6F in Dec. 83 and Jan. 85) and were able to produce a few fruit under our humid conditions.  The ten are listed below.

Mejhos 6269, Salavatski, Kaj-acik-anor, Sejanec, Apseronski krasnyj, Afganski, Apseronski, Saartuzski (Yalta), Surh-anor, and Entek habi saveh.  Chris got rid of 6 of these and has kept 4 cultivars with his R-8 being his favorite.  I sent fruit of Chris’s R-8 to Jeff and he tentatively narrowed it down to 2 but I cannot find the names.  At that time Jeff said his favorite of the Byron material was Al-sirin-nar (R-6).

All of the pomegranates that survive at Byron should be considered relatively cold hardy.  Fruit quality comparisons are best taken at Davis.  Hope this answers your questions.

Wow Harvey,  Thanks a lot that is some great info.  Now if I can figure out how to get some of those varieties.  If you know would you share that info with me as well.   We are pretty much in the it would be hard to have to many pomegranate trees camp.

Again 
Thank You,
goss

You're welcome, Goss.  I suggest ordering cuttings from USDA/NCGR-Davis prior to Nov. 1.  The cold hardy varieties have larger/harder seeds than most so I don't grow that many of them.  Bass is growing Sirinevyi and sells plants.

Goss,

I only got one cutting of Parfyanka and I killed it, never got it to root.

Goss,

I am in your area in process of moving from Canton to Jasper. I am trialing about 20 Cultivar of Pomegranates, only four inground and those 4 were transplanted this winter, The rest either cuttings started last year, by myself or a fellow NAFEX member or USDA cutting just started a few weeks ago. I would probably allow your quart size plants to size up a year in pot prior to planting out. Our last 2 winters have been mild, and not a true test of hardiness. I figure when I get planted out less than 1/3 will prove hardy in a normal winter for us. Depending where your Russian were purchased they might very well be Salavatski as I beleive at least one major nursery sells it labeled as such. That would be a good thing as it seems to be one of the most cold hardy and the one Bass seems impressed with. He might grow Sirinevyi as Harvey stated as well.

Strudeldog the 2 Russians I have came from Edible Landscaping.  They came in quart containers and seemed to have a fair amount of root so I have repotted to gallon container.  They haven't looked to healthy since I got them but I have only had them a couple of weeks now.  They do seem to be finally looking a little better now and hopefully are gonna take off and grow now.

Thanks for the info too.  Always nice to find someone close by.
goss 

Edible Landscaping was the nursery I was referring to, and they received their Russian from Chris Inhulsen here in GA and as Harvey stated that plant as I understand was Identified as likely Salavatski, by both obersvation of the plant and fruit as well as some notes found later that it was the 8th in the row thus R8. I can't remember the exact source, but I likely found from a posting on the forum Harvey moderates. How old are your Wonderfuls and how well do they fruit for you here? I have one in ground again now, but had one freeze out prior. I have read multiple times they don't like the southeast, and fruit better in less humid area.

I had one that just got started bearing at about 2 to 3 years of age and they were small fruits just maybe 2 or 3 at in a season but it froze out at about that time.  That was maybe 10 to 12 years ago.  We moved into new house and I planted 2 and then added a third about 2 year later I would guess they are about 5 to 6 year old now and bear maybe 8 to 10 really nice sized pomegranetes each.  I have no Idea how many they should bear as I really have learned more from this topic than I ever new about them.  I pruned them back this last winter as they were really getting large and may have to do some more this winter.  You would be welcome to come by anytime and look at them.  I did some cuttings over the winter and some of them have rooted.  You can pick up some of them if you would like to try.  Oh yeah they are starting to form their blooms now. 

Strudeldog  I looked up my paper work on the order from Edible Landscaping and it even states on the invoice that my two new Poms are Russian Salavatski.  So does that mean that they are Russian and correctly named Salavatski.

Yes Salavatski is one of the cultivars from Russia that Dr. Levin sent over to us. I think you will happy with the fruit, at the time E.L. started selling it I think Inhulsen who E.L. listed as the source had some confusion on his labeling and was not sure which cultivar it was, but think that was cleared up. It is know to be one of the most cold hardy. The seeds might be a little harder then what you are used to, but most the more cold hardy ones seem to have harder seeds. I think you will see more fruit set then you do on your wonderful, which doesn't seem to like the southeast climate.

That is great.  I finally done something right without even knowing it.  Probably the only way for me...   I want to thank everyone for their input.  I got here because of my interest in figs and have just been blessed with info on Poms too.  Just great.

thanks
goss

OT Zombie poms. Persianmd2's uncle was dead on. I transplanted a big pomegranate (poorly) in the heat of summer and it dropped all its leaves. This spring it still did not leaf out although there was some green under the bark, it appeared dead. Just started leafing out this week--that's over a year since it had any leaves.

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