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Overall Best figs for Hot and Humid Coastal North West Florida

I'm looking for the "BEST" list for my area Zone 8b/9a very hot and humid. I would appreciate your comments and suggestions. If you don't like one tell me why please.

 

Red, Bold & Underlined - I have planted

Bold - Under consideration for planting

Bold & Blue font - to be acquired and planted

Red background - Considered and rejected

ALL CAPS - Reason for rejecting

Bold and Green font - Cuttings/plants being sent Thanks to those helping out

  • Hardy Chicago eye small handels well similiar to Celeste and BT LSU Imp Celeste may be better ripens 7 days after Celeste
  • Hunt eye closed larger fruit than Celeste and ripens  10 days after Celeste
  • Alma eye sealed frost sensitive (recommended by daygrower) lg fruit and sweet per LSU
  • Magnolia eye open lg fruit PRONE TO SOURING due to eye
  • Brown Turkey eye closed Southern favorite lg fruit
  • Violet de Bordeaux AKA Negronne, Petit Negri closed eye (JD - may need special care)

  • Conadria eye small (recommended by paully22)

  • Socorro Black (added 1/16/12 recommended by JD)

  • LSU Improved Celeste eye closed sm fruit (recommended by JD)

  • LSU Scott's Black (added 1/16/12 recommended by JD) May not be "LSU" cultivar

  • LSU Purple (added 1/16/12 recommended by paully22)

  • LSU Gold eye open per IFAS must pick when first ripe

  • LSU Golden Celeste AKA Champagne (JD said jury still out on this one)

  • Col de Dame (JD said may need special care)

  • Kodota eye open but sealed TX/partially sealed IFAS med fruit MOSTLY FOR CANNING NOT GOOD EXTREMELY WET WEATHER

  • Nero eye closed (added 1/15/12 recommended by daygrower)

  • Green Ischia eye closed (recommended by GoodDaughter)

  • Smith? Not realy sure what this is but I read something good about it

  • JH Adriatic

  • GM#5 (Maltese Falcon)

  • Ronde de Bordeaux

  • Atreano

  • Gino's Black

  • Sal's EL

  • Black Bethlehem

  • Camuna Small Black

  • Celeste Old southern favorite very sweet

  • Beal 

  • Marseilles AKA Lemon large yellow fig with open eye may be poor choice BUT I have it. We'll see!

all good choices I have all but Col De Dame and they perform well Smith seems late here but very good taste.

another good one is Nero from Just Fruits  it starts late June and puts out a steady crop untill frost

Also Alma Frank has that one and it does very well for him

Green Ischia here in hot, humid semi-coastal east Texas. This is my most vigorous, productive, bullet proof variety.

If you can find it, Red Gold/BA1 has done exceptionally well for me, also, but not quite as good as GI.

Just my humble figopinion.

Thanks daygrower and GoodDaughter I added them to the list and will look into them.

Conadria & LSU Tiger did very well for my brother in humid Malaysia.

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  • JD

Darkman,

I concur with daygrower with a few caveats. I would add LSU Scott's Black, LSU Improved Celeste, and Socorro Black to your list. I would also put LSU Golden Celeste on a waiting list. I believe it needs more evaluation time.

If you have not done so already, then I would also suggest that you search the forum for information on the figs you have listed. You will find several threads and posts discussing the good, bad, and the ugly about those figs.

Here in Zone 8B, Col De Dame and VdB have been difficult to grow...for me. Daygrower, however, has has green hands and arms and so I am following his lead on the VdB that he gave me and keeping it greenhoused. So far sooo good! Thanks Jim!

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Darkman,Here in Zone 8B, Col De Dame and VdB have been difficult to grow...for me. Daygrower, however, has has green hands and arms and so I am following his lead on the VdB that he gave me and keeping it greenhoused. So far sooo good! Thanks Jim!

Thanks to Jim and Paul,

Why are you greenhousing Col de Dame and VDB?

Is the cold or frost the issue or just cooler weather it doesn't like?

I have to many interest to have to babysit something UNLESS it is really special.

What issues are you seeing with the LSU Golden Celeste?


Thanks to everyone who is contributing,
In case you only go to the end of the post I am updating the original list and adding information as we go. Eventually all original and added ones will still be there but only the boldprint will be the final cut. So far everone is still in the pool. Those that don't make the cut will have the reason. Hopefully it may aide those down the line with their decisions.

Charles in Pensacola

Charles, some fellowmen from the south are Olga, Genecolin & Dan_la. Check their past postings. I know there's alot of good write ups on JH Adriatic, GM#5(Maltese Falcon),  Ronde de Bordeaux but not sure whether they are good with humid areas where splitting can be an issue.


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  • JD

Charles,

You are welcome.

Why are you greenhousing Col de Dame and VDB?
I am greenhousing VdB. I am not greenhousing CdD. Why? I am relatively new to growing figs. While at the start of the ficus carica learning curve, I read about the virtues of CdD and VdB. They are said to be really special. Meanwhile, I can root them successfully but I have not had any luck with growing them through any two consecutive seasons. They usually die after growing slowly through the spring and summer. Thus when I learned that daygrower was able to successfully grow VdB, I was impressed. He gave me a healthy, 3 foot tree (in October 2011) with several ripening fruits. I had questions. Daygrower had answers. What I recall most was that he said it was grown in a greenhouse. Given my lack of success to date, that was good enough for me to continue the practice.

Is the cold or frost the issue or just cooler weather it doesn't like?
In the past, it just has not grown. I followed the general procedures that are detailed throughout this forum: winter rooting, spring shade hardening, and summer growing. So I am not sure why the CdD and VdB have not grown. It could be me, watering, soil, heat, humidity. I doubt it was cold or frost because they just have not survived to the winter even though each year for three years have ordered (from UC Davis), rooted, and potted them.

What issues are you seeing with the LSU Golden Celeste?
I would not call them issues. There is not enough information and data to evaluate and categorize them as such. I can offer a 6-month observation: 1) When you search the forums, there is very little information about LSU GC. 2) I purchased one fully loaded with unripe figs (50+) in July 2011. I thinned them (50%) in hopes of tasting just one. All dropped. Maybe I should have thinned them. Maybe not. Difficult to say.

Concerning your list. Please consider daygrower's comments about Alma: "Also Alma Frank has that one and it does very well for him". Check out the early posts by FMD (a.k.a. Frank). His Alma are prolific and produce good figs. On the other hand, I have a potted Alma (different source) that has not produced a fig in 2+ years. Several factors contribute to being "Best" for a particular fig in a specific year not to mention a region, zone, or location in the backyard. Weather is a primary factor. If you read any of the best of lists from year to year, there are a handful that are consistently top performers. I look forward to reading about your choices, actions, and how it works out.

After reviewing my notes, I also highly recommend Black Bethlehem, Camuna Small Black, and Celeste (get cuttings from the best one that you can find growing in your area). Next, I would strongly consider Atreano, Gino's Black, JH Adriatic, and Sal's EL. Although I had a limited sample (four or less figs) of each of these four this season, the figs were very good and have great promise. If those figs are what they were (and there are more of them) and if they are all of what they have been said to be, then it will be a good fig season.

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  • JD

Thanks Alan! If you have a reference/link, I would like to read and follow up with her. Complete shade is surprising. Heavy pruning is not. It almost reads as if VdB behaves as an understory type of tree for her. Is the grower here on F4FF?

Good point to try a totally different approach on soil. Maybe this year I will root directly in ground and add 50% rocks/stones.

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Charles, some fellowmen from the south are Olga, Genecolin & Dan_la. Check their past postings. I know there's alot of good write ups on JH Adriatic, GM#5(Maltese Falcon),  Ronde de Bordeaux but not sure whether they are good with humid areas where splitting can be an issue.


Paully I added them and will check them out. Thanks.

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Thanks Alan! If you have a reference/link, I would like to read and follow up with her. Complete shade is surprising. Heavy pruning is not. It almost reads as if VdB behaves as an understory type of tree for her. Is the grower here on F4FF?

Yes I'd be interested in following up on that also. I read it does well in the Northwest where it is humid and cool. Maybe our shade more closely mimics what it really likes.

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I've heard that lots of fig trees hate moist air and they hate moist soil. I'd imagine that she used very loamy and somewhat sandy soil. I also wonder if she kept it in a area that does not get direct rain fall. Sheltered by other trees or a gutter or something else like that


I don't know about that. While I am a novice at growing figs I have observed them all my life. Many years ago a neighbor of mine had a huge fig tree. I asked him what his methods were and he said that he keeps the ground under the tree cool and moist. He did this by a heavy (9" - 12") deep mulch of lawn clippings and leaves. If it didn't rain for a couple of days he'd let the hose dribble under the tree.

Other "old timers" told me and I have observed this, to plant the tree near the pump cause any spilled or leaked water (always seemed to be moist there) would go to the tree.

I realize that we are talking about southern figs and that figs in general come from much dryer climates. Who knows!

Hey Charles

The Nero from Just Fruits has a closed eye no spoiling even in rain

the VDB has just done well for me but I am a fertilizing fanatic I always use timed release like nutricoat and lots of it for potted plants.

If something doesn't want to grow I will unpot it wash all soil off pot it back up and use a cup of nutricoat in a 1gal. pot if still doesn't grow in the trash it goes

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Hey Charles
The Nero from Just Fruits has a closed eye no spoiling even in rain
the VDB has just done well for me but I am a fertilizing fanatic I always use timed release like nutricoat and lots of it for potted plants.
If something doesn't want to grow I will unpot it wash all soil off pot it back up and use a cup of nutricoat in a 1gal. pot if still doesn't grow in the trash it goes


Thanks "eye" noted!

Why do you pot the VDB?

Its just over a year old the VDB were  cuttings I recieved Dec. 2010 I rooted them in winter then potted up into 1 gal then 3gal in Jun and my biggest went into a 7 in August the other went to JD.

This spring I will put that one in ground and pot up the cuttings I made last summer, save one for a spare just in case and distibute the rest

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  • FMD

Charles,

I understand your desire of obtaining a list of figs that grow best in your area. Unfortunately, the list will never be definitive due to countless unforeseen factors. Here are some examples from my Tallahassee location:

1. Alma - I planted two cuttings near my in-ground pool from the original poorly producing tree. These two scions grew like gangbusters and produce too many figs to eat year after year after year. See link:

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Unique-Problem-Too-Many-Figs!-5396408?highlight=unique+problem

The original tree hardly produces and other cuttings from the same tree in other parts of the lot don't compare.

2. Green Ischia - planted on the south side of the house, produces an abundance of delicious fruit year after year, but the one planted in the open barely produces

3. Petit Negri - the original tree died down to the ground each winter regardless of how mild the weather was. I finally potted a cutting and grew it for two years before planting in ground. This is now a fantastic producer providing me and the mockingbirds great tasting figs from late June to frost.

4. Beal- this is a ten year old tree barely 4 feet tall but producing huge juicy, fine tasting figs. 

Having a list is good, but experimenting with different locations and having luck are better.



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I understand your desire of obtaining a list of figs that grow best in your area. Unfortunately, the list will never be definitive due to countless unforeseen factors.
 
 
I completely understand. I spent the better part of a year researching my citrus plantings and when I was through and planted them I sat back and realized you can never have the perfect list. I do believe that I did a good job. I know that some of my selections were just OK and after a few years I'll be better able to judge my performance. I believe the the same will hold true for the figs and for the blueberries I also did last year. Time will tell. I also understand that plant siting has a lot to do with whether it is successful or not. I have room to try different locations and maybe I can make most of them happy. Trial and error but maybe not too much error! The one thing my research can accomplish is to cut through ad hype that so much is in abundance everywhere proclaiming this one is THE one and the BEST. I'll be able to eliminate those that really have no chance and possibly do good or even great with 80% of my final selections. You know the old truth, "Fail to Plan, Plan to Fail"
 
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Originally Posted by FMD
Here are some examples from my Tallahassee location:

1. Alma - I planted two cuttings near my in-ground pool from the original poorly producing tree. These two scions grew like gangbusters and produce too many figs to eat year after year after year. See link:

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Unique-Problem-Too-Many-Figs!-5396408?highlight=unique+problem

The original tree hardly produces and other cuttings from the same tree in other parts of the lot don't compare.

2. Green Ischia - planted on the south side of the house, produces an abundance of delicious fruit year after year, but the one planted in the open barely produces

3. Petit Negri - the original tree died down to the ground each winter regardless of how mild the weather was. I finally potted a cutting and grew it for two years before planting in ground. This is now a fantastic producer providing me and the mockingbirds great tasting figs from late June to frost.

4. Beal- this is a ten year old tree barely 4 feet tall but producing huge juicy, fine tasting figs. 

Having a list is good, but experimenting with different locations and having luck are better.

 
I believe that Alma will be on the final list. I'm kinda pulling for Green Ischia and Petit Negri AKA Violet de Bordeaux AKA Negronne. I don't know a thing about Beal but I guess I'll be looking into it since I just added it to the list. 
 


EDIT: I was finally able to read your "too many figs problem" post and now have made it one I will plant. Your generally same climate and weather have sold me. It more than deserves a chance.

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