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Pastilliere (RT) & Azores Dark

Made two videos about these two. Enjoy!


Hi Ross, you're right, that's not Pastiliere. Looks like maybe they sent you Lattarula. The Azores dark looks like a very good fig. Thanks for the videos.

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Is yours from Raintree, Gary?

Yes Ross. I have 2 of them, it is one of the best here in my climate.

Thanks for the help, Gary. Do you have anymore leaf pics by chance? Or a shot of the interior. I just want to be 100% sure, and that'll at least give me something to compare to when they send me a replacement.

Sure Ross.
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Well, what do you guys think this is? 

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If this one is from Raintree, I just looked it up on their site and found that their strain of pastilliere is the Japanese one, not the one synonymous with Rouge de Bordeaux from France. Out of curiosity, did your Japanese/Raintree strain of Pastilliere drop fruits for the first few seasons? Is it producing one or two crops? The French Pastilliere/Rouge de Bordeaux is reported to drop fruits first 2-3 years and is producing only a main crop.

According to Raintree it was s Japanese fig called Hirta introduced in the 19th century, it would be interesting if they were both the same, or different.

I just read on the internet another source saying the transition between breba and main is nearly seamless. Perhaps this explains the confusion with Rouge de Bordeaux/pastilliere and whether it's producung two crops or one.

This is interesting, found it in another thread on Hirta. It explains the history of it and Pastilliere.

http://www.planetfig.com/cultivars/fcveng8586.html

http://frenchfigfarm.com/fig-trees/pastilerie

This nursery is saying that the Brebas are what doesn't hold ever, and the main is what will eventually hold after maturity. Kind of weird. That's on rouge de Bordeaux pastilliere.

Nice videos Ross!

My Pastilliere looks like Gary's. 
Great tasting unifera fig so it only produces main crop. 
Supposed to be cold hardy and early ripener so I am going to try planting in ground next year. 

 
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"If this one is from Raintree, I just looked it up on their site and found that their strain of Pastilliere is the Japanese one, not the one synonymous with Rouge de Bordeaux from France."

Devlsgro, why imply that there are two strains?  According to the planetfig website the Pastilliere was brought to Europe from Japan in the 1800's and is synomous with Rouge de Bordeaux.  I would assume that the Raintree one is the same as the one that is in France unless there is reason to believe otherwise.

Edit: I now see this was already discussed in another thread where it was pointed out that the Baud website also refers to Pastilliere and Rouge de Bordeaux as synonyms.

Pino, that's great that you have gotten Pastilliere to fruit in container culture.  Many folks have had problems with fruit drop and have given up on it.  Did you treat it any differently than your other figs?  Mine is one season old and I am thinking of planting it in ground next Spring.

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Pino, that's great that you have gotten Pastilliere to fruit in container culture.  Many folks have had problems with fruit drop and have given up on it.  Did you treat it any differently than your other figs?  Mine is one season old and I am thinking of planting it in ground next Spring.


Is yours from Raintree as well, Steve?

No, mine originated from Paolo Belloni's collection in southern Italy.  I have no idea where his came from but he considers it one of his favorites. Unfortunately, I don't have leaf photos so I can't compare it to photos of Pastilliere shown in the other thread and the Raintree version shown here.  I'll have to check next year.

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Pino, that's great that you have gotten Pastilliere to fruit in container culture.  Many folks have had problems with fruit drop and have given up on it.  Did you treat it any differently than your other figs?  Mine is one season old and I am thinking of planting it in ground next Spring.

Steve,
 treated same as the rest of my figs.  It is 4 years old.  It seems to use more water than other figs and did drop some figs but the ones that ripened were pretty nice.
Hoping it will like t in ground next year. 

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Originally Posted by Rewton
"If this one is from Raintree, I just looked it up on their site and found that their strain of Pastilliere is the Japanese one, not the one synonymous with Rouge de Bordeaux from France."

Devlsgro, why imply that there are two strains?  According to the planetfig website the Pastilliere was brought to Europe from Japan in the 1800's and is synomous with Rouge de Bordeaux.  I would assume that the Raintree one is the same as the one that is in France unless there is reason to believe otherwise.

Edit: I now see this was already discussed in another thread where it was pointed out that the Baud website also refers to Pastilliere and Rouge de Bordeaux as synonyms.



I had an opportunity buy one abroad, but after buying and shipping it's a little pricy. It's also worth it if there are any serious doubts on whether there are two strains, but it seems that there are not? I thought to attain both and do a comparison. I know sometimes the internet says that things are synonymous when growers here disagree. Everything I read on f4f I never saw a direct comparison. But if the general consensus is that there is only one strain, it's not worth the trouble of importing.

Devlsgro, if you do end up growing both the European-sourced Pastilliere and the Raintree one please report here on differences you see, if any.  I know what you mean about supposed synonymous figs turning out to be a bit different sometimes.  I wonder if in some cases they actually are genetically the same but have adapted to different growing conditions and thus (at least for a certain length of time) exhibit different characteristics.  

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