Pingo de mel - an abundant crop soon on this healthy tee

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lampo

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Posted 1467322182 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

A popular fig all over Portugal. Some say it's a honey fig. As far as I am concerned it is full of flavor, very sweet and one of the best figs to dry. Pollination makes this fig exceptionally crunchy, bigger and syrupy If the weather keeps warm , with light sea breezes early morning, soon there will be plenty of Pingo de Mel figs The fruit sporting a particularly nice Shamrock green with white speckles is telling us that it made good use of fig pollen from a caprifig (Profichi) conveyed by the tiny wasp. Francisco Portugal

figgary

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Posted 1467326877	Reply with quote #2

Wow, Francisco, that fig produces like a Papaya! I've never seen clusters of figs like that. Beautiful. __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

Figrove

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Posted 1467332406	Reply with quote #3

Beautiful pics!

Sas

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Posted 1467340967	Reply with quote #4

Beautiful fruit. My Napolitana fruit but not the leaves looks similar. I'm hoping that the fruit ripens. Attached Images image.jpeg (648.41 KB, 28 views) __________________ Sas from North Austin TX Zone 8B Wish list: Becane

paully22

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Posted 1467350980	Reply with quote #5

Makes me want to give this variant some consideration..

lampo

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Posted 1467354651 · Edited	Reply with quote #6

Thank you All for comments. On some years it shows an appreciable number of brebas.. but not this season. @Gary Yes,as a rule it's always very prolific. On this particular tree pollination was involuntarily practiced may be just from a few wasps promenading in the thin air did that little favor Did not say but this is a Common fig - although some call it an edible Caprifig - Apparently in the past some breeders have used pollen from its breba ripen stamens as male parentage on a few 'crossings' . @pana13 The fig you recently looked for identification, could well be a Pingo de Mel, given the similarities. It would make sense, some remote ancestor to have brought a few sticks as a souvenir. @paully Am confident that it is already there but on the other coast...(it's far!) but at reach. Francisco Portugal

fighugger

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Posted 1467362756	Reply with quote #7

Whau ! Francisco, a cluster of figs, Thanks for that one, Mine is a newly rooted cutting, so I will have to wait a couple of years for crop (And some decades of Global Warming, before the fig wasp settles here ;)) __________________ Michael The Fighugger Z8, Western Europe coastal climate like PNW. In other words, Breba-country. Wishlist: Yellow Yugo/Serbian Yellow and any other fig variety that carries a high number of breba figs to maturity without pollination by the fig wasp. Yellow Neches, Becane (might be the same) and any other main crop fig variety, that ripens earlier than Ronde de Bordeaux

lampo

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Posted 1467406954	Reply with quote #8

Quote: Originally Posted by fighugger Whau ! Francisco, a cluster of figs, Thanks for that one, Mine is a newly rooted cutting, so I will have to wait a couple of years for crop (And some decades of Global Warming, before the fig wasp settles here ;)) Michael, You can always try and create microclimates on your yard for this demanding figs growing in your environment. Francisco

kkk2210

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Posted 1467422439	Reply with quote #9

These are mine from last season. Had to thin due to our short growing season. Sorry about the low quality pics, these are screenshots from a video I took last season. __________________ Vinny Bognor Regis, United Kingdom Wish List : Callara, De La Rio,Cul Noir, Calvy, LSU Red, I-258, Maltese Beauty, Preto, FMV Infected Ischia Black UCD. My Ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/myb/Summary?MyEbay&gbh=1

Jsacadura

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Posted 1467447716	Reply with quote #10

Great clusters of figs, Francisco. Your Pingo de Mel has much more density of figs than I normally see over here. Even my strain of Moscatel Branco can't produce like that. One tree of Pingo de Mel from a nearby neighbor: This old Moscatel Branco strain i found in the abandoned piece of land (that has greener skin than mine) is a bit more prolific but yours are simply amazing. Out of curiosity, i may ask you for some cuttings in the winter to see if they maintain that productivity over here. __________________ Jaime - Zone 9b - near Caldas da Rainha - Portugal Wish List: São Luís, Valamandil, Sofeno Tradicional, Cótio, Cavaleiro, Belmandil, Coll de Dame de Ciutat, Strawberry Verte, Marabout, Sihagi.

lampo

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Posted 1467470042 · Edited	Reply with quote #11

Vinny, Thank you very much for sharing these wonderful pictures of your honey figs. Too bad for rather short summers .. you may try the old techniques of trimming leaves and/or the oil drop on the eye.. ? Jaime, Thank you for pictures and comments. As for cuttings from this same tree, no problem.. you just have to tell me - how many you need BTW.. will add on a dozen scions of that black 'ultra prolific' Caprifig recently discovered and already proven on the popular Smyrnas and Lampeira Preta. Don't let anybody spray your figs! That's just cheap marketing 'techniques' in preparation for the big $$$$$$ ! The Sbahyi, Rey and Sari Zbk you send me are great ! Already showing very strong/thick green growth and ... figs! Thank you very much! ----------------- This Pingo de Mel growing very near the cliffs of the west coast on the southern district, has lost practically all its leaves, from the action of the fresh sea breezes blowing in force for long periods.. So it's showing its typical heavy crop of delicious fruit Here a few ripe Pingo de Mel... Francisco Portugal

jdsfrance

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Posted 1467497997 · Edited	Reply with quote #12

Hi Jaime, You may want to go to the praia ... in Figueira da Foz ... Just saying ... You can't miss the tree there. I have two trees growing from my holidays 2 years ago. To my big surprise, the breba crop on this small tree is of 10 figs, which is impressive. I was surprised how low on the tree the brebas popped out. I'll have to find pics of mine. __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

kkk2210

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Posted 1467510046	Reply with quote #13

Quote: Originally Posted by lampo Vinny, Thank you very much for sharing these wonderful pictures of your honey figs. Too bad for rather short summers .. you may try the old techniques of trimming leaves and/or the oil drop on the eye.. ? Jaime, Thank you for pictures and comments. As for cuttings from this same tree, no problem.. you just have to tell me - how many you need BTW.. will add on a dozen scions of that black 'ultra prolific' Caprifig recently discovered and already proven on the popular Smyrnas and Lampeira Preta. Don't let anybody spray your figs! That's just cheap marketing 'techniques' in preparation for the big $$$$$$ ! The Sbahyi, Rey and Sari Zbk you send me are great ! Already showing very strong/thick green growth and ... figs! Thank you very much! ----------------- This Pingo de Mel growing very near the cliffs of the west coast on the southern district, has lost practically all its leaves, from the action of the fresh sea breezes blowing in force for long periods.. So it's showing its typical heavy crop of delicious fruit Here a few ripe Pingo de Mel... Francisco Portugal Thanks Francisco , I might try that oil meathod. This season my trees are way ahead with the help of a greenhouse .I managed to root the pingo de Mel you send me and the others . Will compare with mine . Leaves of pingo de Mel looks similar to Bauds Sucre Verte . Cheers __________________ Vinny Bognor Regis, United Kingdom Wish List : Callara, De La Rio,Cul Noir, Calvy, LSU Red, I-258, Maltese Beauty, Preto, FMV Infected Ischia Black UCD. My Ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/myb/Summary?MyEbay&gbh=1

Jsacadura

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Posted 1467572610	Reply with quote #14

jdsfrance, Thanks for the tip. If i am near Figueira da Foz i will check that tree. But finding trees of Pingo de Mel in Portugal is not difficult. It's the most popular cultivar we have. It's the one every nursery sells. If you see a young tree in a backyard of a home it's probably a Pingo de Mel. If you ask a Portuguese to name a fig cultivar he will say Pingo de Mel. If you ask him to name another one probably more than 75% of the population won't have an answer. This variety even made many farmers uproot their old and wonderful fig varieties in favor of this "new kid on the block" many years ago, that promised to be simpler to grow and provide a greater return to the farmer. In many cases it didn't and in the process many varieties were probably lost forever. Don't get me wrong. It's a wonderful fig and has several interesting strains but it probably was the cause for some loss of diversity regarding fig cultivars in Portugal. __________________ Jaime - Zone 9b - near Caldas da Rainha - Portugal Wish List: São Luís, Valamandil, Sofeno Tradicional, Cótio, Cavaleiro, Belmandil, Coll de Dame de Ciutat, Strawberry Verte, Marabout, Sihagi.

Pana13

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Posted 1467574912 · Edited	Reply with quote #15

Francisco that looks amazing. Would be nice if the tree I have that I don't know what it is would be this one. If mine is of this tree would it have to be pollinated?

lampo

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Posted 1467580225	Reply with quote #16

Quote: Originally Posted by Pana13 Francisco that looks amazing. Would be nice if the tree I have that I don't know what it is would be this one. If mine is of this tree would it have to be pollinated? Telly, Fruit and leaves from your tree seem to match this variety (Pingo de Mel) Responding to your specific question about pollination , let me clarify that it will not be required at all. This behaves as a Common fig What happens in my district is that the availability of caprifigs determines that practically all common and Smyrna types always get the benefits of free pollination . Francisco Portugal

FrozenJoe

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Posted 1467608018	Reply with quote #17

Francisco your tree is very productive and the fruit looks delicious! __________________ Joe Phoenix Area (Zone 9) I am MrFrozenJoe on YouTube. I am arizonafigs on eBay.

lampo

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Quote: Originally Posted by FrozenJoe Francisco your tree is very productive and the fruit looks delicious! Thank you Joe for commenting. Aim sure, ..this fig would love to grow in your environment and be a 'star' on one of your clips! Happy figging Francisco Portugal

rofig

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Posted 1467624086 · Edited	Reply with quote #19

Hi all, Who knows how cold hardy Pingo del Miel is? Who has cuttings to sell or exchange in Europe? Is it common fig or San Pedro type? __________________ Romania, Europe in zone 6, 47N

lampo

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Quote: Originally Posted by rofig Hi all, Who knows how cold hardy Pingo del Miel is? Who has cuttings to sell or exchange in Europe? Is it common fig or San Pedro type? rofig Pingo de Mel is not a cold hardy fig It's a Common type. Francisco Portugal

Rado

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Posted 1467683920	Reply with quote #21

So about three years ago I bought a small "white fig" off an older Portuguese lady. She said she smuggled its mothers cutting into America many many moons ago... I had no idea of the name. I called it the Portuguese white. It's got large shinny leaves and the figs grow in crazy clusters. ( I thought it was due to maybe over fertilizing or my climate...?) I live in Rhode Island. I got it in a sip container and bring it in for the winter. But after seeing these pics I'm convinced! Here's some pics Attached Images image.jpeg (166.79 KB, 24 views) image.jpeg (197.08 KB, 20 views) image.jpeg (172.42 KB, 19 views)

rofig

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Posted 1467747118	Reply with quote #22

Thank you for details, Francisco! If it is not cold hardy, it is no good for me .... __________________ Romania, Europe in zone 6, 47N

lampo

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Posted 1467790572	Reply with quote #23

Quote: Originally Posted by rofig Thank you for details, Francisco! If it is not cold hardy, it is no good for me .... After responding to your question checked on a number of nurseries in the net and they indicate that this category of figs may grow on zones 6 to 10 (?) You know, nurseries always quote wide zone areas so everybody is happy and buys! However, If you decide to try, I wouldn't mind to trade a few sticks ( I am in between sort of, zones - 10 / 11 -) Francisco Portugal

fighugger

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Posted 1467798695	Reply with quote #24

Francisco, I am sure you are right, that Pingo de Mel has to have a good microclimate here. But any relatively early brebacropper with heavy loads of figs like that, Í will have to test in my climate. Because of my Island climate I don't have a lot of frost, but growing seasons are cool, long and with lots of sunshine. Of cause I will keep it in a greenhouse untill I know how it does here. Later I can test it on a wall or in a protected spot in the open. Thanks for your advice. __________________ Michael The Fighugger Z8, Western Europe coastal climate like PNW. In other words, Breba-country. Wishlist: Yellow Yugo/Serbian Yellow and any other fig variety that carries a high number of breba figs to maturity without pollination by the fig wasp. Yellow Neches, Becane (might be the same) and any other main crop fig variety, that ripens earlier than Ronde de Bordeaux

Jsacadura

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Posted 1467803812	Reply with quote #25

Michael, The strains of Pingo de Mel we have in my zone (9a-9b) are all in the ground and can resist some cold. Our coldest winters in the last years have registered -7ºC and there was not a hint of cold damage. so i believe they can resist winters a bit colder than that. But keep in mind they are not cultivated because of the Brebas (they rarely give many and they usually drop) but for the excellent main crop figs. Beware that, according to the strain, the earliest maturation date of the main crop can go from early August to early September for some. What you see in the photos above are all main crop figs. __________________ Jaime - Zone 9b - near Caldas da Rainha - Portugal Wish List: São Luís, Valamandil, Sofeno Tradicional, Cótio, Cavaleiro, Belmandil, Coll de Dame de Ciutat, Strawberry Verte, Marabout, Sihagi.

Hot_Stuff

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Posted 1467806938	Reply with quote #26

Hey Francisco are you the one selling fig cuttings on ebay fro Portugal? __________________ I'll eat anything but a hotdog. Growing Olympia, Violette de Bordeaux, Ischia, Dwarf, LSU Purple, LSU Tiger, LSU Champagne, Peter's Honey Looking for LSU Gold.

lampo

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Posted 1467811992	Reply with quote #27

Quote: Originally Posted by fighugger Francisco, I am sure you are right, that Pingo de Mel has to have a good microclimate here. But any relatively early brebacropper with heavy loads of figs like that, Í will have to test in my climate. Because of my Island climate I don't have a lot of frost, but growing seasons are cool, long and with lots of sunshine. Of cause I will keep it in a greenhouse untill I know how it does here. Later I can test it on a wall or in a protected spot in the open. Thanks for your advice. OK Michael Let's keep talking and by the right time , remember me so we may do something about it including some additional acorns !!. Francisco Portugal

lampo

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Posted 1467812733	Reply with quote #28

Quote: Originally Posted by Hot_Stuff Hey Francisco are you the one selling fig cuttings on ebay fro Portugal? Hello Hot_Stuff, No, no, I am not advertising and/or selling anyting on ebay, fig cuttings included. Francisco Portugal

fighugger

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Posted 1467815403	Reply with quote #29

Thanks for input Francisco and Jaime, but there is no reason to test main croppers in my garden....only the good brebaproducers. So if Pingo de Mel is only main crop, it will never mature here. I guess I have misunderstood, (or there are several strains of Pingo de Mel). But I would love to test any prolific breba-varieties you might have access to.........The Petrelli you showed Jaime, sounds promising. I actually tried to root one this spring, but it failed for me. Most of my italian origin cuttings failed for some reason. Francisco, I just clipped my Prunus lusitanica windbreak hedge today - it is approaching two meters. Once I get my Collection of Quercus ilex up to a few meters height, my microclimate will be as good as possible, here on our Little Island. But still I will not have the sun and heat accumulation of the Algarve...........so most portugese figs will never mature here. __________________ Michael The Fighugger Z8, Western Europe coastal climate like PNW. In other words, Breba-country. Wishlist: Yellow Yugo/Serbian Yellow and any other fig variety that carries a high number of breba figs to maturity without pollination by the fig wasp. Yellow Neches, Becane (might be the same) and any other main crop fig variety, that ripens earlier than Ronde de Bordeaux

Jsacadura

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Posted 1467831123	Reply with quote #30

Michael, I'm not in Algarve. I'm in the center of Portugal near the Atlantic Ocean and my summers are far from hot. My main crops mature later than Francisco and i have problems with some that start to mature in September/October and are ruined by rain in most years. Medium temperatures around 14ºC __________________ Jaime - Zone 9b - near Caldas da Rainha - Portugal Wish List: São Luís, Valamandil, Sofeno Tradicional, Cótio, Cavaleiro, Belmandil, Coll de Dame de Ciutat, Strawberry Verte, Marabout, Sihagi.

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