yeah i did alot of research and youtube helped with that alot i must confess. the other club i am in is full of a bunch of senior folks as good hearted as they are alot of em dont navigate well through the net and cant find alot on youtube. i was talking about things like this in the club and they asked if i could give them more info so i did this. at 31 i was told i was the youngest member in the club. over 200,000 members but quite in the fourms. you post somthing and usualy have to wait a few days for a reply. but they are a bunch off good peeps over there as well. just not as much activaty as i have seen here. lotsa good info on organics, seed/cutting swaps and such.