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Q: How to care for seedling start in Zone 8 Vancouver BC

Hi there,

Much to my surprise and delight, I discovered a volunteer seedling fig tree in my garden earlier this week while cutting back a part of my 'tomato jungle'. It's about 8-10" tall and took root in soil that is 98% mushroom compost and 2% kitchen waste compost. Lucky fig!

What's miraculous is that this happened in Vancouver BC (zone 8B), an area that typically would not have capri wasps around to fertilize seeds I am told. We had a stellar, uncharacteristically long, dry, warm summer. Guess the wasps headed north to avoid the smoke in California?

I'm embracing this little miracle tree and would like to give it the best start possible. 

One key question I have is whether the winter rains of Vancouver will set back this little upstart. Most of the propagation notes talk about trees started from cuttings. A few mention that seedling starts are possible in California... but California is zone 9 if I'm not mistaken.

I am wondering if it would be better to dig the fig up and put it in a container once it goes dormant (late October?) and put that container in a dark unheated enclosed (yet still humid) space under my porch stairs. If so, when would I haul it out - the spring equinox?

Also, if yes, what kind of soil mix should I use? The original garden soil it obviously likes? or some garden store mix with perlite that I've been reading about for trees started from cuttings?

I read somewhere on this site that figs have a huge root system when left alone, and truthfully, I think I'd like to espalier this little darling, which I understand can only happen in container situations. The sunny area of my yard is not big enough to sustain an unfettered, full-sized fig tree.

Would you agree I need to: 

1. uproot it this autumn 
or 
2. can it stay exposed to the West Coast conditions (lots of rain and occasional wet snow that melts quickly) and wait to uproot next spring or fall since it really is just new to life this season. 

I'll attach some photos (which I posted in another post when I was asking if it was indeed a fig!).

Any comments or advice you might have to offer would be greatly appreciated. This will be my very first fig tree. I'm really excited!!  I love to eat fresh figs!

Best regards.

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Best to uproot when dormancy sets in & Baud did mentioned that new growth within the year can freeze in temperature under 12*C(52*F) and any temp. under 16/17*C(62*F), growth may be destroyed. I have some of this year rooted cuttings about 2 ft tall with all leaves gone due to colder nights & morning temp. in Sept. Thus any form of protection you can provide would help.

With regard to winterizing -- almost all the younger trees in pots that I set out last Nov were killed by BC winter. Very unfortunate the miracle fig plant had such great soil mixture to continually feed its growth.

If your miracle plant came from those commercial dried figs, you will need miracle luck for it to have ripe figs in our zone.

If  space is an issue in Vancouver, other proven variants grown in pots are Lattarula & Negronne. They have to be winterised indoors. However I have to add the best variant to grow in-ground in Vancouver is Desert King. Most variants grown in Vancouver are Desert King, Osborne Prolific & Lattarula.  For now, best to stay away from variants like Vern's BT, Mission, Peter's Honey,  Black Jack etc unless you have a greenhouse.



Thanks for your informative reply! Through the forum's search engine, I was able to quickly look at some of your posts and see you are very definitely a knowledgeable and sharing gardener. I appreciate your spirit!!  Thank you so much for sharing your suggestions for our area.

Are you in Chilliwack or Vancouver proper?  I noticed you are gardening with a greenhouse. You are so lucky!!  As for me, I'm within a mile of Burrard Inlet, and my garden is protected by a very tall cedar fence and a giant spruce that calms down any winds.  Hopefully that bodes well for the fig treelet (or whatever they are called at this stage).

I got a little confused  about your paragraph:
With regard to winterizing -- almost all the younger trees in pots that I set out last Nov were killed by BC winter. Very unfortunate the miracle fig plant had such great soil mixture to continually feed its growth.

 Are you saying you put your "cuttings started" trees outside in November in pots, thinking they were ready and best to acclimatize them when dormant, but that they were killed by the cold winter? 

In reference to the soil, are you referring to your miracle fig plant or mine?  I guess I'm confused about why it would be unfortunate if a plant had great soil.

Confession time: I'm a complete newbie so the reason I sound a little clued out is... I really am!!   :-) 

I researched the forum to see what/who Baud is... Now I know he's a respected French grower of figs. I guess you are saying my plant could freeze without it even being close to the freeze mark? Yeicks!! 

I'm still unclear if I should leave it in the ground but cover it in hay or something, or if I should dig it up and containerize it and store it under my steps away from sunlight, winds and rains.

I sure hope this tree is not from a dried fig!  Don't know how that could have ended up in my garden, but I did put year-old kitchen compost on the garden in the spring...   I much prefer the idea that it came via a feathered friend from a human friend's tree. :-)  What's bizarre is that I didn't see it sooner than this week. I have very few weeds in my garden... (but there were a lot of un-staked tomato vines!)

Plants 2 years or younger left outside were almost all killed. My apologies for the confusion. I did not set them out but left them out intentionally like survive or die attitude for those variants.  Good thing they were not my favourites & I could recycled the pots. All my first year plants goes indoors. The plants left outside last winter were all 2 years old or slightly older. All my in-ground plants have no protection and they are Latarrula, Desert King, Tony's Greek, Vern's BT, Vicenzo & Osborne Prolific. Next spring I amy put  a couple more in-ground & VBT may have to go.

Regarding great soil -- nothing wrong with that. The issue is with tender growth due to continued fertilisation. With tender growth the plant is more susceptible to damages  from the cold. It is best to grow figs in our zone in pots for at least 2 years in a more manageable control environment before putting them in-ground. In my case I think I totally stop fertilisation by 2nd week Aug for all my figs. Most of my larger plants fertilisation in pots are stopped by end July and I hardly used any for my in-ground ones. However you case is different, it was a miracle/volunteer plant.

I lived in Chilliwack & the valley soil is very good. However my potted soil is a mixed of top soil, compost, bark mulch & perlite in the general ratio 50:20 :20:10. Bear in mind, fig plants do not need a lot of fertilisation. The spread of the nodes is a good indication. Also, the wider the spread, the less fruits & the tree will be so Talllll. Prunning roots from the pots is very easy and I am not too concern about the fig roots in ground as I don't plan to have too many to put in-ground apart from those that are reliable producers with good taste.

If it is me, I will dig up the plant by 1st week Nov. Having a pile of hay may seem a good idea but it is also a perfect hiding place for rodents to feast on your precious plant like what they did to BASS  figs,

JM -- I am still learning from lots of figfriends here who share their experiences. Since you are in my region, its best to share some of the challenges  this region provides. Yes, there are lots of fig trees in Vancouver. I gave up hunting new variants as almost everyone had no idea what they are growing & I can end up with so many duplicates with so little space. The best time to hunt for fig variants in Vancouver is in Aug when most fig trees are ripening but the timing clash with my other hobby FISHING. thus its best to connect with some ethnic folks like the greeks, italians. Also if you go to the italian cultural center they have a few fig trees there. I do not know what they are but was told once they are likely to be Gentile.

Baud have an excellent summary on fertilisation & plant's well being.

Hey Paully,


Thanks again for your excellent advice.  I think I now get it. For sure this little plant is still putting up new leaves but it's not in a sunny part of my garden anymore, so hopefully that will slow down.

When i dig it up in November, any suggestions for how wide a berth I need to dig around? I mean, like a 12 inch diameter or 24"?  Also, should I keep as much of the original soil from the garden and then add the soil mix you suggest, or should I loosen the roots from the existing soil and just give it all fresh stuff?

What would be the better winter location for this plant?
1.  under the unlit, unheated, humid, stairs 
or 
2.  in my basement which is not brightly lit, is cool (low 60s typically) and not as damp as the outdoor-under-the steps location. I'm not sure if inside the house would inspire the plant out of dormancy.

I had an arborist here (for a different reason) and asked him to look at the 'miracle plant' and whether he thought it was a fig. He said it looked like a fig but that it wasn't as woody as he'd expect it to be. Is there another plant that's awfully close in appearance... or is this just a fig that is young?

Thanks again. Hope you enjoyed the fishing, although I guess your activities were curtailed due to the sorry, low returns of the salmon this season. At least we have nice gardening weather again this weekend!!

Enjoy!
Justine

Justine,
if i may but in just for a second.
So you can rest assure about digging it up and taking care of it for the winter.
If its not a fig plant send it to me , i will eat it all of it with a little spaghetti sauce and romano cheese on top of course and take a video of doing so. 
Oh and um any imposters and i will know  ; )

OK JustineM, now I am in trouble. My son had acquired the fig taste & just called to find whether I could pick more figs for him. We had more than 30 yesterday & this morning we picked another bunch like 20 plus & he woof them all. Now, if you really want to grow a fig, I can give you a small potted DK.

Figs can take quite a lot of abuse. My Vancouver fig friend helped me to butcher out a plant & it survived the winter & is giving me a bonanza of figs. I had another one that was virtually chop off in the ground & now in its 2nd year, I have a wonderful sweet harvest. Thus all you need is get a 5 or 10 gal pot & dig out that miracle fig when it goes dormant. I keep my fig plants in an unheated garage & I throw a blanket over it. Temp goes below 0*C in my garage. Thats all I do for winterisation. It is best to keep your plant in a place with temp just under 0*C or just above. You want it to stay dormant. If you keep it in the house, it would start to leaf out early and most likely it will be stringy too which is terrible. A 12 to 15 inch girth is sufficient. Last year I got 2 other fig plants & I just dug a hole & left them in there(outside) in Nov. It came back to life. Once it is dormant & you have taken the necessary winterisation precautions, the fig should come back by early spring.

Fishing is super great. I caught lots of sockeye helping DFO to tag fish although we cannot keep them. Only the sockeye stock have been impacted but still over a million of them. And now we have over 19 million pink salmon. They are all over the river. Imagine every cast you can hook a fish if you just want to hook a fish anywhere. Aha, we are so spoilt that we now considered the pink salmon as junk & target other species.  Right now all indications are very favourable for the fall run of salmon up the Fraser, Vedder & Chehalis river. I catch them for fun & so far I have only kept the Chinooks. The pinky's in the Vedder river are so many that they are a nuisance now.

Hey Paully,


You sure have a H-U-G-E collection of fig trees from the sounds of things!  I guess you spoiled your son with endless supplies!!!!! (Lucky him!)

You would give me a small potted DK?? Really?! Wow!

Sounds like it's a good thing figs can take abuse, because I'm new to their care. I love learning and my friend's say I have a green thumb... but I would never have dared to dream I could grow figs. As this forum testifies, there's a lot to know! I hope I can rise to the challenge.

I'll dig up miracle plant in early November and put it under the steps and say a few Hail Marys, Nam Myo hos, and other incantations trying to favour the garden gods and goddesses! 

Your account of all that access to fresh fish is making me hungry. Time to make dinner...
:-)

I'll keep you up to date on any new developments on my 'figlet'.

Justine


Paully - wanted to show you the fig plant I found last year survived the winter no problem. I posted it to the wrong thread this morning...

(Way at the bottom)

I ended up giving it tough love and left it in the garden last winter with straw mounded around it. I dug it out of the veggie garden last week (a place too small and shady for a fig tree) and unfortunately I heard some roots tearing when I transfered it into the pot... but I left it for a week in a shady spot close to a tall reassuring spruce tree and I think it's okay. Now I just have to figure out what to do. I'd like a fig but I really don't have a proper place in my smallish, shade dominant garden. I could put it in a container and keep it on my patio, but that's a small space too for a big fig tree... Any suggestions? I was looking at the espalier threads but they weren't especially helpful since I don't have a shed to grow it against nor would I be able to install wires if on my patio. I was thinking of keeping it small in a pot. Since I don't know what variety of fig tree it is I have no idea of its eventual height potential!!!  I want this tree to survive and I'd be so amazed and thrilled to eventual taste of its fruits... but I'm really flummoxed!
Any sage advice most appreciated.  
Best regards, Justine

hello justine. Have been so busy and had no chance to check the forum yesterday in preparation of wife's trip to Hawaii and the many guests visiting from overseas.

For now I would say that you have made the right decision to go with pot culture. With pot culture you can always decide what you want to do if you get the opportunity to sample the variant. Pot culture have a tendency to force the tree to bear earlier & it makes good sense that this unknown may even turn out to be a non common fig variant. If it is a non common variant, there is no hope of getting ripe figs. Good luck.

Hey Paully, 

You sound so busy. Thanks for offering advice. Your helped a lot with your encouragement. If in a few years I have a delicious fruit to share with you, I'll let you know!

All the best,
Justine

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