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Radical Repotting...Root-Pruning

I took a deep breath, and knocked my "Atreano" tree from the container, and plunged a tree-saw into the root-ball and cut away at least half of the crossing, tangled, circling, old roots, and repotted the tree in a quick-draining mix.  It's Good Friday, and I hope the Heavens shine on my tree, and hope it recovers rapidly.  I never did this kind of radical re-potting on my beloved fig tree, and it was definitely overdue.  The roots were so compacted that I could hardly saw through the mess.  I washed away all the old soil.  Now the tree is in new medium, ready for the new season.  Do you think the tree needs a root-stimulating formula along with the Foliage-Pro fertilizer?

A daunting task this root-pruning and repotting...but  necessary.


Frank


i need to do that to my trees. but didn't get around to it this year. maybe next spring.

i did repot my trees last june. bad idea for me. but they were in 3 gal pot and the waters were not getting to the root. i pulled them out and get rid of all the old soil, comb the roots out and put them into 10 gal tub. it took me few weeks to get them back into shape. the temp around here was in 90s or high 80s. i kept them under shade all the time, and then to partial shade and finally full sun. by the end of season, one of the tree already had full root in the 10 gal tub.

i'm poking holes into the soil this year to get the water to the roots.

pete

Pete....

I held-off doing this more from fear of killing my trees than anything else...but after reading some postings about how trees will lose vitality when severely root-bound, I decided this just has to be done, now, today.  My trees were in the original soil since 2007, and all I did was increase the pot size, without trimming roots, or replacing the mix.  I will NOT make this mistake again!  The roots were so compact that it took me over an hour just to loosen, and wash away the old soil, tease the roots apart, trim them, and repot the tree.  What a mess!  I was covered with mud. 

Well...it's done.  I'm holding my breath, while waiting to see some signs of recovery after this amputation process.  I hope I'm worrying over nothing.

QUESTION: ........After this radical root-pruning/ repot operation, should I sacrifice this year's fig crop so that trees can recover?  I never did this before, so I don't know.

Frank

If the leaves aren't drooping you have nothing to worry about.  And if there are no leaves to droop you have nothing to worry about.

No root stimulant required. I'm assuming your tree is still quiescent? I'd withhold fertilizer until mean soil temps are >55*. That would be especially important if you were fertilizing with a supplement that derives its N from either urea or an organic source (because of potential ammonium toxicity), but it's somewhat less important with fertilizers that derive more than 40% of their N from nitrate sources (like Foliage-Pro).

 

Al

Al, would you recommend the use of liquid fertilizer like Miracle Gro 4-12-4 where it is marketed as "quick start" design to help transplant shock.

Paully22

Thanks for the reassuring comments.  Now I feel better...I think.  No leaves showing, but buds beginning to swell, and show green tiny green breba, which I pinched off.

Can I assume that it's OK to let the main-crop figs develop?

Frank

Can this also be a done with a lemon tree, and a plumeria.  I've had a dwarf Meyer lemon tree and a plumeria in their same pots for over 20 years and though it still produces small lemons and flowers, I've never repot the nor put in more potting mix or even changed the pot.   Should root pruning be done on these trees too?

ANY time the roots exhibit compaction to the degree that the root/soil mass can be lifted from the container intact, growth and vitality are limited. If/when the plant is potted up, there really isn't a growth 'surge'. What you see is a little reduction in the limitations tight roots have already caused. So not a growth surge - an attempt by the plant to return to normal growth.

 

On the other hand, Fully repotting, which includes bare-rooting and root pruning, DOES ensure that the plant will at least have the OPPORTUNITY to grow to it's genetic potential within the limiting effects of other potentially limiting factors.

 

Here is a chart I composed using vitality as a vehicle to explain the difference between repotting and potting up - it's pretty self explanatory, the post is taken from a thread I wrote specifically to help with the long term management of trees in containers:

 

I grow and manage a wide variety of temperate trees and shrubs, both deciduous and conifers, and 75 or more tropical/subtropical woody plants. I'd like to invite you to join the discussion with questions about your own containerized trees and/or your tree problems. I will try to answer your questions whenever I can.

The timing of certain procedures is closely related to energy management, which gets too little consideration by most growers tending trees in containers. Because repotting and root pruning seem to be most misunderstood on the list of what it takes to maintain trees that will continually grow at close to their genetic potential, I will include some observations about those procedures to open the discussion.

I have spent literally thousands of hours digging around in root-balls of trees (let's allow that trees means any woody plant material with tree-like roots) - tropical/subtropical trees, temperate trees collected from the wild and temperate nursery stock. The wild collected trees are a challenge, usually for their lack of roots close to the trunk, and have stories of their own. The nursery stock is probably the closest examples to what most of your trees are like below the soil line, so I'll offer my thoughts for you to consider or discard as you find fitting.

I've purchased many trees from nurseries that have been containerized for long periods. Our bonsai club, just this summer, invited a visiting artist to conduct a workshop on mugo pines. The nursery (a huge operation) where we have our meetings happened to have purchased several thousand of the mugos somewhere around 10 - 12 years ago and they had been potted-up into continually larger containers ever since. Why relate these uninteresting snippets? In the cases of material that has been progressively potted-up only, large perennial roots occupied nearly the entire volume of the container, plant vitality was in severe decline, and soil in the original root-ball had become so hard that in some cases a chisel was required to remove it.

In plants that are potted-up, rootage becomes entangled. As root diameters increase, portions of roots constrict flow of water and nutrients through other roots, much the same as in the case of girdling or encircling roots on trees grown in-ground. The ratio of fine, feeder roots to more lignified and perennial roots becomes skewed to favor the larger, and practically speaking, useless roots.

Initial symptoms of poor root conditions are progressive diminishing of branch extension and reduced vitality. As rootage becomes continually compressed and restricted, branch extension stops and individual branches might die as water/nutrient translocation is further compromised. Foliage quality may not (important to understand) indicate the tree is struggling until the condition is severe, but if you observe your trees carefully, you will find them increasingly unable to cope with stressful conditions - too much/little water, heat, sun, etc. Trees that are operating under conditions of stress that has progressed to strain, will usually be diagnosed in the end as suffering from attack by insects or other bio-agents while the underlying cause goes unnoticed.

I want to mention that I draw distinct delineation between simply potting up and repotting. Potting up temporarily offers room for fine rootage to grow and do the necessary work of water/nutrient uptake, but these new roots soon lignify, while rootage in the old root mass continues to grow and become increasingly restrictive. The larger and larger containers required for potting-up & the difficulty in handling them also makes us increasingly reluctant to undertake even potting-up, let alone undertake the task of repotting/root-pruning which grows increasingly difficult with each up-potting.

So we are clear on terminology, potting up simply involves moving the plant with its root mass and soil intact, or nearly so, to a larger container and filling in around the root/soil mass with additional soil. Repotting, on the other hand, includes the removal of all or part of the soil and the pruning of roots, with an eye to removing the largest roots, as well as those that would be considered defective. Examples are roots that are dead, those growing back toward the center of the root mass, encircling, girdling or j-hooked roots, and otherwise damaged roots.

I often explain the effects of repotting vs potting up like this:

Let's rate growth/vitality potential on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best. We're going to say that trees in containers can only achieve a growth/vitality rating of 9, due to the somewhat limiting effects of container culture. Lets also imagine that for every year a tree goes w/o repotting or potting up, its measure of growth/vitality slips by 1 number, That is to say you pot a tree and the first year it grows at a level of 9, the next year, an 8, the next year a 7. Lets also imagine we're going to go 3 years between repotting or potting up.

Here's what happens to the tree you repot/root prune:
year 1: 9
year 2: 8
year 3: 7
repot
year 1: 9
year 2: 8
year 3: 7
repot
year 1: 9
year 2: 8
year 3: 7
You can see that a full repotting and root pruning returns the plant to its full potential within the limits of other cultural influences for as long as you care to repot/root prune.

Looking now at how woody plants respond to only potting up:
year 1: 9
year 2: 8
year 3: 7
pot up
year 1: 8
year 2: 7
year 3: 6
pot up
year 1: 7
year 2: 6
year 3: 5
pot up
year 1: 6
year 2: 5
year 3: 4
pot up
year 1: 5
year 2: 4
year 3: 3
pot up
year 1: 4
year 2: 3
year 3: 2
pot up
year 1: 3
year 2: 2
year 3: 1

This is a fairly accurate illustration of the influence tight roots have on a woody plant's growth/vitality. You might think of it for a moment in the context of the longevity of bonsai trees vs the life expectancy of most trees grown as houseplants, the difference between 4 years and 400 years, lying primarily in how the roots are treated.

I haven't yet mentioned that the dissimilar characteristics of the old soil as compared to the new soil when potting-up are also a recipe for trouble. With a compacted soil in the old roots and a fresh batch of soil surrounding the roots of a freshly potted-up tree, it is nearly impossible to establish a watering regimen that doesn't keep the differing soils either too wet or too dry, both conditions occurring concurrently being the rule rather than the exception.

Most who read this would have great difficulty showing me a containerized tree that's more than 10 years old and as vigorous as it could be, unless it has been root-pruned at repotting time; yet I can show you hundreds of trees 20 years to 200 years old and older that are in perfect health. All have been root-pruned and given a fresh footing in in new soil at regular and frequent intervals.

 

Finally, there is no credible information that the addition of fertilizers containing extra P, or supplements containing vitamin B-1 are an advantage when it comes to stimulating root growth at transplant time.

 

Al

 

Thanks Al.

Good info. Now you have created lots more work for the weekends. LOL. I do have many to root prune as they are many 3 & 4 years old trees. Would you recommend to prune tree tops to balance root pruning ?

You can get away with a LOT of root pruning on deciduous trees that are dormant/quiescent. The tendency is for the tree to maintain buds in a quiescent state until it "knows" it can support them; so most trees having gone through a really hard root pruning simply leaf out slowly - as root mass catches up to canopy mass. It's probably more important to use some degree of consideration if you root prune trees that really need to look good. THEN, it might be necessary to consider keeping some sort of balance between roots & shoots through selective pruning. The reasoning behind this is, if the tree is going to shed foliage according to its plan, which may not be the same as YOUR plan; it's probably better to put YOUR plan in place, removing branches that aren't important to the composition and that won't spoil the tree's appearance. Many a bonsai practitioner has done a hard root pruning w/o reducing the canopy, only to find the tree has shed a key branch; all of which might have been avoided with a little selective reduction.

 

Figs are tremendously vigorous, genetically, and they'll tolerate a LOT and still bounce right back.

 

Al

Al...
     If I had some teachers like you, when I was in school, I would've spent far less time in the local pool-room shooting 9-ball!

     A magnificent, fully explained article on the whys  of root-pruning,  re-potting, and potting-up.  I, along with so many others thank-you for always doing such a thorough job, and sharing your knowledge.

     Almost everything that I know about growing figs was learned from Herman2, and some other experienced growers, and everything that I learned about botanical science, I learned from you.  It's good to know what needs to be done, but better to know WHY it needs to be done.

Thanks again.

Frank DV

BronxFigs ,
Like you , I think Al's information is great.
I think you might find it interesting that according to what you could say is a more modern farmers almanac called Stella Natura Planting Calendar , you did your root pruning on the very best day possible for encouraging the root growth of plants.
As you hoped in your first post , the Heaven's were shining on your tree.
Best ,
Kerry

Kerry...
     Thanks for the very interesting information.  I never knew about the  Stella Natura Planting Calendar.  I will be inquiring about this.  When doing such a radical root-chop, it's always good to have some celestial "help".

     Have a great Easter Holiday.

     Frank

Thanks Al.


Good information, thanks Al...

Al....

I was always very reluctant to do a radical root-chop because I thought I was hacking away all the reserved food/nutrients stored in the root system, and that I would compromise the health of the tree if I cut too much away.  I guess I worried for nothing.

So, the deed is done.  Now, I wait....

Frank

Al,

Thanks for the great info.  I just root pruned a fig tree that was in the original pot for for at least 10 years, and the lemon tree.   Really messy but opened my eyes to what is going on there.  Lots of big roots that are pencil size and bigger and not a lot of smaller roots.  

I was wondering if anyone uses the trimmed roots to make more fig plants.  These roots are same size as cuttings plus they already have roots on them.   Wouldn't it be easier to start new fig trees from these.  If anyone knows, I'd appreciate it.  I have a few that I potted up and put the rest in a bag.  If I can do it, I'm going to pot up the rest.  

Don't use rooting hormone on plants that have just received root pruning.  Also don't apply any nutrients for at least two weeks after root pruning.  They'll do just fine regenerating roots, and as Al said, figs are very vigorous and durable.  



Figfinatic....

I think I remember reading a few threads on this very question.  I'm no scientist, but I think that yes, roots can grow into a tree, but the cells at the top end of the cutting have to change into stem-producing cells and not root-producing cells.  Of course the real explanation is far more technical, but I think some members have successfully done this very thing that you're asking about.

Bad news....Can't remember on which fig forum this topic was posted.  Someone smarter than I will fill in the blanks.

Hope this helps.

Frank

You got it, Frank. Some plants are more likely to come (regenerate) from root cuttings than others. Ficus C is listed in the Hartmann/Kester bible on plant propagation as a plant commonly reproduced via root cuttings, too. During the cloning, dedicated root tissues dedifferentiate into meristematic cell groupings then redifferentiate into apical meristems. I'm guessing, because of observations I've made of carica's close relative pumila, that adventitious roots would probably form often, if not usually, from the base of the shoot. I think the key to success would be considerably affected by the stored energy level of the root piece and the growers ability to supply favorable cultural conditions. IOW, the cutting needs to have enough stored energy to keep the potential plant's systems orderly while everything that needs to happen to get a shoot formed happens.

 

I cut off a 2" thick piece of root from a Ficus salicifolia a few years ago. If I remember correctly, I potted the cutting as a second thought after I'd finished root pruning the plant and the root piece had laid in the concrete in the sun for a while. I really don't think THAT mattered all that much, but I do remember that I potted the root in July and it didn't start growing shoots until the following June. Soon after that, I had some sort of marauding animal (coon or cat) knock that plant and several carica cuttings a friend had given me off the growing benches, and I lost them all. ;-(

 

Al

 

Figfinatic....

See, I told you someone smarter than I would fill in the blanks.  You have just got the rest of the story from the master.  I gave you the short-and sweet version, Mr. Tapla just gave you everything else you need to know.

Let us know if you try planting root cuttings, especially if you are successful.

Frank

Thanks, Al T.

Who Was that Masked Man???

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tapla

The timing of certain procedures is closely related to energy management, which gets too little consideration by most growers tending trees in containers. Because repotting and root pruning seem to be most misunderstood on the list of what it takes to maintain trees that will continually grow at close to their genetic potential, I will include some observations about those procedures to open the discussion.

 

Finally, there is no credible information that the addition of fertilizers containing extra P, or supplements containing vitamin B-1 are an advantage when it comes to stimulating root growth at transplant time.

 

Al

 

Terrible growing season so far in my area of The Bronx, NYC.

Weather has been cold, damp, rainy.  The radical, root-chop/re-pot combo so far has set back the trees, and they are just now starting to sprout some leaves.  "Atreano",  much to my shock, and mounting fear of  its impending death,  remains catatonic!  The only hope I have for my favorite tree is that the terminal buds remain green.  I'm hoping a blast of warm weather will shock this tree into a flush of  new growth.  I'll light a candle, and pray, and keep my fingers crossed.

Frank

While root pruning might temporarily cause some pouting, the degree to which it invigorates the tree will see the root-pruned tree surpassing the tree left to languish with its feet bound. Here is a tropical fig - it's in the first stages of being trained to be bonsai. It illustrates what you CAN do, insofar as root work goes. You guys certainly don't need to go as far as I did, but you can see that, unless the tree was in poor health when it went to sleep last fall, you have little to fear from root pruning.

 

.... and this tree was in leaf because it's not deciduous ....

 

Al

 

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