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Ready to put fig pots in ground

and I'm looking for any advice whatsoever.  The pots can be almost completely sunk into the ground (any deeper and there is a cable that I probably shouldn't cut) and I understand I should drill holes in the sides of the pots, correct?  The soil around the cable is very heavy with clay and doesn't drain well at all, so I don't think I'm going to have problems with the drain holes that are already at the bottoms of the pots.  The top 8" or so is pretty airy dark soil that has been amended over the years for various projects and plantings.  I guess I need to know- how far from the top/bottom of the pot should the bigger holes be drilled?  And how big?

I made blue marks on the pots in this picture to show where I think the holes should be drilled.  Close??  or way off?

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Pami,


The holes need to be drilled as close to the bottom as possible.

I would drill at least a 1/2" hole (about 3 per side.)

You can get by with the pot buried at about 5" in the soil.

That is what I would do.

You will have trouble with the holes in the bottom when you try to take the pots out of the ground this Winter because the roots will grow through the bottom holes and you are going to have trouble cutting them for Winter storage, in other words if you are planning on sinking the pots for the summer, you will have a time trying to get the pots out of the ground.


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Originally Posted by Figluvah

You can get by with the pot buried at about 5" in the soil.


Hi Cecil!

Thanks for your response.  Being a newbie, I don't want to argue, nor do I have any basis for argument, but my thinking was along the lines of  "I have my figs in tiny containers (base is 10 x 10", top is 13 x 13" and they are about a foot deep)- therefore if I sink the entire container into the ground, I will have some of the ground as insulation, and maybe avoid overheating my containers and therefore my roots."  Is it true that tiny containers can become overheated very quickly?  That makes sense to me, but I've never used containers this small for outdoor plants.  

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Originally Posted by Figluvah

The holes need to be drilled as close to the bottom as possible.


Once again, not an argument, just an explanation of my thought-process.  The holes are drilled in the sides of the container to allow roots to wander out and grow in a less-confined environment?  The soil nearer the top of the ground is much better for roots, so that is why in my drawing I made the blue marks a little less than halfway down the planter.  And I was thinking, at that time, that the pots would be almost fully sunk into the ground.

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Originally Posted by Figluvah

I would drill at least a 1/2" hole (about 3 per side.)


Is that on two opposing sides?  Or all four sides?

Thanks for all your help.  One day I hope to understand this, and maybe not ask so many "basic" questions.  Who knows?  Maybe someday, I may even be able to answer a question here and there.

Not sure what you are doing?

Planting figs (guess not) or pots in ground (I think so)?

Potting  them pots, just for the summer, to be later winterized inside (e.g., garage),
the drain holes need to be ONLY on the sides, and as Cecil said, close to the
bottom [else some wet bath-tub may be created].

No need to bury pots very deep.
[Fig roots are shallow surface feeders].

If there are already drain hole in the (horizontal/flat/middle) bottom, you will have
one big heck of a time digging the pots up; later, comes fall!

Roots coming out of VERTICAL sides, can be very easily severed using some digging spade. 

I would drill the holes on all four sides!


If you drill the holes up the side of the pots where you want too, from the holes to the bottom will be holding water (not good)

Others might say differently.

That's what I was trying to say!


You made it very clear George.....I thank Ya.

Well, I put a square of weed-barrier fabric in the bottoms of all my pots before I began planting them- not because of the possibility of roots coming out, because to be honest, I hadn't thought of that yet.  I just always put something in my pots to cover my drainage holes- piece of screen, weed-barrier, heck I've put a coffee filter in the pots where I've planted some annuals before.  I don't think the roots will grow through that fabric?


Gorgi, yes, I'm planting the POTS in the ground- because they're tiny and it gets hot here.  I'm concerned about cooking the roots.

Cecil, the point at which I drill the holes is at the point below which I have standing water, is that correct?  So the lower, the better.  And then don't sink the pot so far into the ground?  Will the roots stay cool enough in these little pots??

If it were me, I would do as others have suggested and drill holes very near the bottom on all four sides. I also wouldn't sink the bottoms of the pots more than 2-3 inches below the surrounding soil surface, or it will be harder to cut the roots and get the pots back out of the ground for winter (plus, as you mentioned, the best soil is near the surface, and it's also better-drained). If you're worried about overheating, just pile mulch or decorative bark around the exposed pots and they'll stay cool enough. Since you already have holes in the bottoms of the pots, you can cut a piece of plastic sheeting slightly larger than the bottom of each pot to put underneath it. Roots will still grow out of the bottom holes, but they'll have to travel sideways to get past the edge of the plastic before they can go down, so you'll be able to cut them at the same time you're cutting the roots that grow out of the side holes. Good luck!

Ken, thank you.  I'm really trying to understand and not make any fatal (to my baby fig trees) mistakes.  Sorry if I sound like a first-time mother.

Nothing wrong with first-time mothers! I'm sure your "babies" will appreciate the effort. I only learned last year about partially buying pots (from people on this forum) and it worked great for me--as I'm sure it will for you.

Pami,


I didn't see where you said you already have holes in the bottom (my bad)

so there should not be any standing water if it has some drainage in the bottom of the pots, but if the roots grow out of the horizontal bottom holes you are going to have hell cutting the roots when you are ready for winter storage....

You have got some real good advise from everyone,  Run with it, We know how you feel about the plants being your babies, been there,done that!!!!!!!

Yep, have two square holes dug, need two more, then I get to use power tools!!  May not be a big deal for y'all, but DBF says I can't use them because they have "man-handles".  But I can show him on here where you guys TOLD me to, so he has to let me!!  ;)  Thanks for all your help- will post pictures when I get everything in place. 

Pam,


Not sure; but I do not think any barrier fabric will stop the fig roots from penetrating it?

To achieve your goal, you may want to (fresh) pot-up before doing so (put in ground).
Original pots being square(ish), it may be harder finding the next pot up size
(going roundish is OK).

Also, note that I [edited] my previous post for some clarifications...

Do not sunk the pot totally in ground.
3-5,inches is enough.
If you do sunk it totally you make a big mistake,but it is too much to explain,so I won't do.
Drill holes at Bottom side only.
Plug Bottom holes.

Herman ,
I hope you can get a chance at some point to explain what you mean about making a big mistake by burying the pot more than 3 to 5 inches. I respect your opinion very much , and  haven't seen in your previous posts on the topic that there is a danger in burying deeper.
I am worried that I have misdirected people who have gotten figs from me that they can bury their 5 gallon pots right up to the rim if they want.
Does someone else know Herman's thoughts on this if he doesn't have a chance to answer ?
Is it a concern about the pot retaining too much moisture even with holes all over the sides ?
Best ,
Kerry

Cecil there is great info in that link and it is one of the ones that made me  decide to encourage people up here to follow that method.
I haven't seen any other posts that I recall that says why burying deeper is problematic. 
Thanks for posting that one. 

drivewayfarmer: Most soil in USA,have a clay hard pan,so if the pot is buried totally in ground with the bottom side holes,the young fig get stuck,because the roots  can't penetrate the clay,to come back at the surface where the nutrients are.
Also the hard pan plug the bottom side holes so the rain that falls inside bucket will not drain out and will kill the roots close to bottom of bucket.
These observations are from the last 3 -to four years of Experience.
I found out that 5 inches or less is ideal for the potted plant,it helps with drainage and ,the proximity of nutrients,right outside the bucket,in a straight out direction.
When I first learned about this method,I wasn't told about all these little secrets,so I buried the pot to the rim,ruining my backyard,breaking my back too making such deep holes,that in fact are not needed to be made so deep.
Hope this answered your question."live and learn"

I have been burying my 7-gallon pots for the past 3 or 4 years. The first year I buried them half way and some of the holes were just high there. Came cold and wet fall and it was a mess to dig out the pots. One or two would have been easy to dig out but digging out some 20 pots was a mess. The next year I buried the pot 1/3 and it was a bit easier to dig but still needed good amount of work. This year I buried the pots about 2 to 3 inches deep and if part of the side holes were showing, I mounded soil to cover the holes and the moisture from the hole made the soil stay (unless it gushes out). For a couple of the pots, I put cardboard piece around it to keep the soil in place which I will remove after a couple of weeks. I feel that I will have much easier time digging out this year. I hope so.

Here is what I mean Otawan,i also done just about how you did,so ,I am insisting on 5 inches or less so other people do not have to work so hard like i did ,for no gain.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Herman and Ottawan.
Makes sense to me so I will adjust what I tell folks.

I just got home and read the next batch of replies.  You guys are amazing!  One of you knew exactly how I was going to bury my pots (not sure where I got the idea, but I didn't think of it myself, otherwise I wouldn't have bought four matching pots- why would I need to?  Who would see them anyway, if they were completely buried?) and got the pros and cons already ironed out before I even opened this thread!!  Did I ever tell you how much I love this forum??  


So tomorrow morning, DBF is going fishing, and I'm getting out the power drill.  I can make bigger holes than 1/2", if necessary.  Yeah, leave me alone with a power tool, and my planters could look like SpongeBob SquarePants by the time he gets home from fishing.  <evil grin>

Seriously, I'm going to try to get the side holes drilled and get the pots sunk about 3 to 4" into the ground early tomorrow, and weather permitting, will snap a pic so you can critique what I've done.  Thank you so much for all your help!

You are welcome Kerry

Got the holes drilled, got the pots in the ground, watered the loose soil around them and now waiting for camera batteries to charge.  Thanks for all your help!

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