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Help me out here:  What's the purpose of adding a small amount of sand to what I'm guessing is pine bark chunks?  Why not just use the pine bark?

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Originally Posted by Rob
Rich, the perched water table stuff is scientifically correct, and I once was a believer in its impact.  However, after growing figs in a hot climate for a few years, I now believe that they will suck up most of any perched water within a day or two in the main growing season.  Also, when I grow in fabric pots I think any excess water will wick out the bottom no matter what mix I'm using. 

Furthermore, most of my potted figs grow some serious roots down into the soil below.  So the composition of the container medium becomes less important in that situation. 

If you are starting cuttings or if your plants are young and in small pots, it's a much bigger issue.  In that case, you've got something like the far left in your photo.  That could kill a cutting. 


My # 5 nursery containers grew a lot of roots into the soil below even though they were sitting flat on the ground. This year the ones I leave in the 5 gal pots will be partially buried to accelerate this.

Most of the trees I want to grow out will be  in #20 Gro Pro containers sitting flat on the ground. Those are the ones I'm concerned about. 

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Originally Posted by rcantor
Help me out here:  What's the purpose of adding a small amount of sand to what I'm guessing is pine bark chunks?  Why not just use the pine bark?


Fills the spaces between the larger bark pieces and slows the water leaving and retains  some water.

Reduces AS and increases AW.

OK, thanks.  My Pine bark has too many fine particles as it is.

  • Rob

Sand might be beneficial but I'm hesitant to add anything that is going to increase weight.  If you have a clever way to move those 20 gallon buggers without killing your back, maybe it's not a big deal to you. 

I think in a 20 gallon pot you will eventually get roots that grow into the ground too, maybe not in the current season if they were just up-potted, but certainly in the subsequent season.  A 20 gallon pot filled with heavy mix and sand, with a bunch of 0.5 inch + diameter roots is going to be a project to extract from the yard and put in the garage, methinks.  I am always scrambling around that time of year because there's an early hard freeze and all my trees need to be moved in 3 hours.

I'm sure it's a good thing when the roots grow into the ground, but it sure is a pain to move the pots come winter.  Not sure if it's worth the headache.

On perched water table topic, also wanted to point out that I think if you have any amount of roots growing into the soil below, that means your potting mix in your pot is in sufficient contact with the soil below to wick away any PWT.  The PWT only happens when wicking action is obstructed.  So any time you were worried about PWT, you could just bury the pot an inch deep and the soil would wick away your problems.  I even think if you place your pot on a concrete surface such that your potting mix comes into contact with the concrete that you would not have a PWT.  Concrete will wick water, albeit slowly.  Only if you place your pot on a surface that is watertight, such as plastic, or if the holes are not in contact with the concrete/dirt at all, then you will have a PWT. 

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Originally Posted by Rob
Sand might be beneficial but I'm hesitant to add anything that is going to increase weight.  If you have a clever way to move those 20 gallon buggers without killing your back, maybe it's not a big deal to you. 

I think in a 20 gallon pot you will eventually get roots that grow into the ground too, maybe not in the current season if they were just up-potted, but certainly in the subsequent season.  A 20 gallon pot filled with heavy mix and sand, with a bunch of 0.5 inch + diameter roots is going to be a project to extract from the yard and put in the garage, methinks.  I am always scrambling around that time of year because there's an early hard freeze and all my trees need to be moved in 3 hours.

I'm sure it's a good thing when the roots grow into the ground, but it sure is a pain to move the pots come winter.  Not sure if it's worth the headache.

On perched water table topic, also wanted to point out that I think if you have any amount of roots growing into the soil below, that means your potting mix in your pot is in sufficient contact with the soil below to wick away any PWT.  The PWT only happens when wicking action is obstructed.  So any time you were worried about PWT, you could just bury the pot an inch deep and the soil would wick away your problems.  I even think if you place your pot on a concrete surface such that your potting mix comes into contact with the concrete that you would not have a PWT.  Concrete will wick water, albeit slowly.  Only if you place your pot on a surface that is watertight, such as plastic, or if the holes are not in contact with the concrete/dirt at all, then you will have a PWT. 



My Super Mega Mix won't have sand in it. That's one of the design criteria. It needs to be light weight enough that I can move our 20 gals with a hand cart. Another one is the ingrediants need to be readily available from a local retailer like Agway, Home Depot, Lowes etc. And no half used bags. The ingredients will be based on 2 and 3 cubic foot increments without having to mix 100 cubic feet at a time.

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