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root pruning

i have three figs potted up in the spring of 2006 (new purchases
about two feet tall) in 25 to 30 gallon tubs.  they are extremely
rootbound.  i do not plan on putting them in the ground outside at
this time but may do so next year after i get some cuttings started.
 
should i do anything about their rootbound condition - slice
around the edge with a sharp knife (which won't go all the
way to the bottom of the pot) or just let them alone?  it would be
very difficult to take them out of the pot, trim all around and put
them back in the pot.  they are each now four to five feet tall. 
one, Hardy Chicago, has penny sized figs on it. 
 
they reside in an unheated hoophouse in what could be equal
to zone 7b.  outside is zone 5b.
 
thanks for the help.  elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth
Two feet tall planted in Spring 2006 getting root bound in a year and a half (with some dormant months) in something like 30 gallon pot. May be I don't have experience like this yet so I think of it as unbelievably fast to get root bound in such a big pot.
I was expecting mine in a five gallons pot for a long time (with root pruning sometimes later).

ottawan,
 
well, i assume they are rootbound, the top of the soil is covered with roots and they are starting out the holes on the sides at the bottom. 
 
the pots are sitting on top of a foot tall planting bed, last year the pots were buried in that bed which was a few inches deeper then.  they aren't quite as tall as i guessed, h. chicago is just over three feet and the other two just over four feet.  each has a single trunk and are at least as wide tall - didn't measure that - they are tied up a bit (cinched in) to reduce the spread.
 
i think they like the hoophouse environment immensely.
 
elizabeth
 

You should bare-root your potted trees occasionally... especially if you feel they are root bound.  If you pot-up your tree without removing the old growing mix, you run the risk of the original mix compacting as the roots grow through it and grow larger.  This can cause the roots to girdle and prevent nutrient flow between the top and bottom of the tree.

A 2' tree in a 25-30 gallon container is excessive.  Especially if you are considering planting the tree in the ground anytime in the next five years.  If the trunk of your tree is less than 3/4-1" in diameter, a 3-5 gallon container will be more than enough to hold your tree for the next few years.  Currently I have five trees which are 6+feet tall with trunk calipers in excess of 1 1/4 inches growing in either 3 gallon nursery pots or five gallon white buckets.  All of these I will bump up to a 15 gallon container next year, and will probably stay in that size containers for at least 3 years. 

My guess is that your trees are not root bound in a 25 gallon container after 2 years.  Just the same, if you'd like to root prune, you can cut out two pie shape wedges about 1/6th (total of 1/3) of the container and remove the growing mix and roots and replace with fresh growing mix.  Next year take out another 2 sections and the next year the last 2 sections.  Your tree will be completely root pruned every three years.  Another solution is to get a 1 - 1.5 inch copper pipe and drive it down into your growing mix in several places.  You could punch 2-3 holes per month during the growing season.

~james

James
Would you please elaborate on "Another solution is to get a 1 - 1.5 inch copper pipe and drive it down into your growing mix in several places.  You could punch 2-3 holes per month during the growing season."
What is the purpose of the holes? Is it to make holes in the root ball cutting the roots with the pipe edges? Is it like lawn aeration to take out soil plugs for air and nutrients to go in? Should the holes be filled with soil?
Thanks in anticipation of your response.

Root-pruning serves two purposes... 1) you remove larger inefficient, or damaged, or deformed, or circling roots.  2) you remove old growing mix which no longer possess the original quality.  Whereas it is relatively easy to bare-root a tree, as they get older it becomes increasingly difficult and cumbersome to do so.

Punching holes will both sever the roots in the area as well as aerate the growing mix.  If you imagine a circle with a radius of about half the radius of the container, you would want to concentrate outside of this circle during the growing season.  You don't want to eliminate the punches inside the circle (closer to the trunk), just punch not so frequently.  Then as the season starts winding down (or just before the growing season starts) you can focus a bit more inside the circle.  By punching over time and in different areas you are continually root pruning your tree while minimizing the shock normally associated with doing so.

If the growing mix is relatively new and still has the qualities you are looking for, you can put it back into the holes.  Otherwise, put new growing mix in.  This really isn't too different than cutting pie shaped segments out, only that it is being spread out over time.  Either way, you want to remove about 1/3 of the volume per year.

Thank you James. That explains it very well.
That gives me an idea to sharpen the edge of a copper pipe & probably make tiny teeth at the edge so that there is easy penetration in the soil and sharp cut of the root without messing the root system (but then, as usual, I will not be able to find my tool when I need it !).

thanks, james, for the information on root pruning.  the copper pipe
option sounds like the one most likely for me to use.  we have a soil
test tool that i will likely try first as it should be easier for me to use.
 
 
i will be curious to see what comes out of the plugs - whether they have
roots all the way through.  if i had them in five gallon buckets, i would not
have been able to keep them alive this summer.  there were times
when i had to water twice a day to keep them alive.  i haven't over
fertilized, i don't think, actually figured i had under fertilized since i only
did so a couple times this year.  i was concerned they would grow too
much, so was conservative about it. 
 
i will update after i start the plugging, probably tomorrow. 
 
elizabeth

Elizabeth,

I'm not sure what your climate is like.  Among my trees I have  9 that are growing in 4/5 gallon buckets in what is now basically compressed vermiculite and 1/2" granite chips.  The  They survived at least 4 days in a row of temperatures either approaching or exceeding 100°F without being watered.  

a 3 year old Alma in 4 gallon bucket


This is the smallest of the trees I described above.  You can see how much the growing mix has collapsed, yet it is okay without water for a few days... even the hottest of days in Houston.  My 25g containers which hold trees with 3+ inch caliper trunks can go a week without much of a problem.

I still have reservations about the volume of your container and the mix you are growing your trees in.  It maybe that your growing mix is holding too much water which is preventing root growth into the bottom of the container.  What are you growing your trees in?  How big is the tree now (both height and trunk diameter)?

~james

 Bought some trees this year & root pruned 3/4 of the roots from 2 gallon pot in april. The plants have girdled the pots tightly. My root pruned trees did very well & gave me more than a dozen fruits. They are about 5 to 6 feet tall and I used 5 gal pots. Again in late Sept I got a celeste twig(green) pulled from the ground with probably about five roots thats about one cm long and its leafing now. I pruned the top off & left about 2 inches of the cutting above dirt. I will be root prunning my other newly acquired trees in March 2008 & to check for any nematodes lurking around. My experience has been fig trees are hardy to abuse in root pruning and all my handyman's work on root prunning are information others have shared on Fig Forum Garden Web.

You guys, root pruning goes so much easier using a good 'ol handsaw. I pull the tree out of the pot and set in on some newspaper. I proceed to square off the root ball by sawing four sides off about 1-2 inches deep depending on size of the pot. Then I try to round out the root ball by sawing away the corners if the square I created.  I turn the tree on it's side and cut off the bottom at the same depth. I replace with potting soil in the bottom of the pot, same amount I removed. Then place the tree back in the pot and fill in the gaps around the rootball with potting soil but water as you go to settle the medium.
Hope this helps.

Leon,

When do you normally root prune, late winter or early spring ? thanks.

Paul

Here you are root pruning photos. They aren't of figs but it is equally valid to illustrate it.

With this technique, we remove 3/4" of each root ball side, bottom included. The new root ball is introduced in the pot (We don't change the pot) and we add new potting soil in the sides but not on the bottom. The volume of soil removed from the bottom is added on the top, so we will stimulate to the fig to grow new roots in this zone. It is similar to above mentioned techniques.

As far as I know, this technique is used with bonsais (sorry, I am not a bonsai expert).





Axier -- picture says alot. Thanks. Would used the illustrated methodology in root pruning my figs. Saves alot of time over the "sissie" manner I was doing in root prunning my figs.

As I mentioned before, there is a benefit to removing all of the growing mix from the roots.  On Saturday, I encountered my third hard core in a root ball.  The tree was growing in a three gallon nursery container.  It is clear it started in a smaller container and was potted up without root pruning. 

There is only so much volume in a container for your trees to grow in.  Over time the growing mix breaks down and looses its porosity.  At the same time, the tree is producing new roots and the existing roots are fattening up, thereby occupying more of the space inside the container.  Over time the entire mass hardens making it difficult for new roots to grow into it.  The older, fatter, brown roots become less efficient at moisture and nutrients.  Thus the need for root-pruning.    Replace the growing mix with a more porous mix and removing inefficient, large roots to make room for the more efficient, white, fine roots.

The problem, over time, with the pruning method Leon and Axier have laid out is they don't completely remove the growing mix.  Eventually the volume occupied by the old growing mix becomes unusable to the tree.   So let's say one cuts two inches off of a root ball growing in a 3g container.  The volume of a 3g container (10D X 12H) is about 950 cubic inches.  If you cut the diameter down by two inches (8D X 12H), you end up with a root ball which occupies 600 cubic inches.  This leaves about 350 cubic inches for your tree to grow into until the next root pruning.  As it turns, a 1g nursery container is about 300 cubic inches.  Would you plant a 5' tall fig tree in a 1g container?

Having said all that, I don't think that Elizabeth's problem will be solved by root pruning.  It would seem that one of two things is happening with her containers.  She could have a very fast draining growing mix and not enough water stays in the upper portion of the container.  However, if this were the case the roots would grow down to where the water is, as mine have.  How many times have we seen people post their roots were poking out of the drain holes within a couple of months?  What are we talking about 10-12 inch tall containers in two months time?  Surely, in 2 years time the roots could make it to the bottom of an 18 inch tall container.   So this scenario seems unlikely.  The same holds true for insufficient water volume during watering.

Given my experience and the little bit of information given, what does seem likely is that the growing mix is retaining too much moisture, thereby creating an environment which does not allow for root penetration.  If you combine this with the sun warming up the top couple of inches of growing mix to a temperature above what is conducive to root growth, you end up with only a small percentage of the container volume being utilized by the tree.

One way to find out is to dig up the tree and check the amount of root growth.  A tree in a container for two years should have a substantial root mass.  Another way to check is to drill holes big enough to stick a finger into.  The next time the tree is wilting the day after being watered, start drilling.  Begin at the bottom and work your way up.  Note where the growing mix is sopping wet, where it is very wet, where it is moist and where it is dry.  If I were a betting person, I'd wager it will be wet higher than you would expect.

~james

hi all,
 
i've only had a few opportunities to peak at the forum in several days, no time to reply.
taking a break from company preparations right now.  have some pulled muscles in my
side so am having trouble getting everything done. 
 
and for sure i haven't been able to get anything done with the fig trees.  when the 'kids' are
here tomorrow, i hope to get them to lift those trees out of the pots and check them out.
managed only to drill one hole in one pot, could hear roots breaking all the way down, but
not solid roots.  the scenario of the potting mix holding too much water and top inches
drying out sounds like it could be the situation.  i use about half garden soil and half
compost, so it is quite heavy.  bettered go back and read all this again to see what needs
to be done if i can get some people with muscles to help while i just give orders as to
what needs done.
 
maybe i will remember to check the diameter of the trees as well.
 
noticed on monday a hardy chicago was almost ripe!  it was hiding behind a leaf near the
bottom.  i was so surprised, smaller ones had been dropping off and i had been picking
them up to dispose of but never saw that one.  will pick it tomorrow to see what
our company thinks of it.  sure hope it is good.
 
thanks for all the advice and thanks to God for fig trees and His love.
 
elizabeth in cold missouri.  where yesterday it was at least 75 degrees and the temps
dropped all night and day.  tomorrow morning it is supposed to be in low twenties!   what
a drastic change.  yesterday short sleeves, today coat, gloves and hat!  stay warm, folks.
 

fig forum advisors,
 
despite my husband being unavailable to help (he had to work), our
son-in-law unable to help because of a back injury and me with pulled
muscles, we managed to do some work on the fig trees today.  i may
have learned some valuable lessons. 
 
next year i will endeavor to get the big trees into the ground,
somewhere, somehow.  no more huge pots for figs!  and a lighter
weight growing medium has merits.  i have never liked perlite or
vermiculite, but...
 
pot number one we cut roots an inch or more around outside of pot and
removed as much as possible, removed tree from pot and found it
totally girdled with roots, round and round.   we used a hand cultivator to
scratch away soil and cut roots to diminish size of root ball and hosed
away as much soil as we could with the time and strength we had to
spend on it.
 
number two was a bit different in that root ball did not extend to bottom
of pot.  it was about half the depth of the first, bottom was very moist
and we drilled more holes along the outside bottom to give better
drainage.  otherwise it was similar to the first, girdled with roots and
root bound above the moisture area.
 
number three was the worst.  very heavy soil and it was nearly
impossible to get soil off root ball.  worked on it like the other two but
it will have to be completed when my husband is home on sunday.  the
children had prior commitments and had to leave so we just did the
best we could at the time.  i wrapped the root ball to protect it a little
until next work time.
 
after they all left, i refilled the two large tubs (with trees back in place)
with half compost / half vermiculite.  i would like to have done a better
job, but with time restraints and having to hose the soil off outside in
temperatures around freezing and below freezing wind chill, we did the
best we could.  this was the only time i would have extra help to work on
them before new Spring growth begins.
 
perhaps next year we will put up another hoophouse and put them in
the ground there, otherwise i may decide to rearrange the current hoop to
get them in the ground inside it.  if not, they will go in the ground outside.
 
the low last night was about seventeen degrees here.  thermometer
beside fig trees we worked on was down to 34 degrees.  they still had
not lost all the leaves, but a few more dropped as we worked on them.
 
the kids were great sports, laughing all the time at the trouble we were
having and at their mom for her fig project gone awry.  we all have our
projects and they were terrific at lovingly helping me with the situation. 
they were dirty, muddy, cold and in pain with all the heavy lifting, but
still smiling and hugged me goodbye.  i am so thankful for our wonderful
children.  our son-in-law did dishes while the rest of us played in the mud.
can't beat that!  without our daughter, son and daughter-in-law this
project wouldn't have gotten done.
 
hope everyone else had a blessed thanksgiving with family and friends
as we certainly did.
 
elizabeth in chilly missouri

Is there any need to root prune if a tree is in the ground?

I would have to do this copper pipe technique rather than dig it up, obviously.

Just planted the trees a few weeks ago. They are just 2' tall with calipers of 1/2" to 3/4". So I'm thinking into the future here.

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Also, some of the trees were a bit root-bound in their small 4" square x 8" tall nursery containers. Out of ignorance, I didn't loosen their rootballs too much before planting. But now they're in the wide open ground... So will they correct that themselves?

I'm in zone 9, Northern California.


Quote:
Originally Posted by james
You should bare-root your potted trees occasionally... especially if you feel they are root bound.  If you pot-up your tree without removing the old growing mix, you run the risk of the original mix compacting as the roots grow through it and grow larger.  This can cause the roots to girdle and prevent nutrient flow between the top and bottom of the tree.

A 2' tree in a 25-30 gallon container is excessive.  Especially if you are considering planting the tree in the ground anytime in the next five years.  If the trunk of your tree is less than 3/4-1" in diameter, a 3-5 gallon container will be more than enough to hold your tree for the next few years.  Currently I have five trees which are 6+feet tall with trunk calipers in excess of 1 1/4 inches growing in either 3 gallon nursery pots or five gallon white buckets.  All of these I will bump up to a 15 gallon container next year, and will probably stay in that size containers for at least 3 years. 

My guess is that your trees are not root bound in a 25 gallon container after 2 years.  Just the same, if you'd like to root prune, you can cut out two pie shape wedges about 1/6th (total of 1/3) of the container and remove the growing mix and roots and replace with fresh growing mix.  Next year take out another 2 sections and the next year the last 2 sections.  Your tree will be completely root pruned every three years.  Another solution is to get a 1 - 1.5 inch copper pipe and drive it down into your growing mix in several places.  You could punch 2-3 holes per month during the growing season.

~james

Thanks. Sorry for the duplication!

Relax, no need to prune and no worry the way you started in ground from a 4" pot if it looks healthy in the ground at this time.
Sometimes people root prune trees in the ground to slow down the growth and make it behave like a dwarf tree.  Such pruning is done by pushing shovel in the ground to some depth in a circle around the trunk at some distance from the trunk. Sometimes it works and other times the vigour stays depending on the roots habit of the tree if shallow or deep.

Elizabeth, vermiculite holds a lot of water.  You might be better off with perlite and 1/3rd compost.  Letting the roots grow into the ground is a good thing.

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