Dan_la
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...........here is one method that I use to root summer cuttings.
This is how I chose to root some of my Black Beauty 10 "summer" cuttings and a new Golden Celeste fig that I recently discovered. There is a WHOLE LOT more to this than meets the eye. Details later.......... Dan Semper Fi-cus
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lauraga
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I see roots! I'm sure you'll get into this in your "details later," but did you take leaves off when you first started, or are those the same leaves that were on when you took your cuttings.
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Dan_la
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The Devil is in those details...........having a bit of fun teasing right now. All what you see are "new" leaves. Much more later.......... Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Okay, Master of Suspense--you've got our full attention. Spill the beans!
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Dan_la
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Will do Ken............a bit later. Still having some fun teasing....... This method works real well even though it is not yet fully perfected IMO. There are still many experiments yet for me to do to get it to my degree of satisfaction. However, the method will work well for most people's needs. I call this method the "Falling Water Level" method which will be explained in greater detail later. It takes full advantage of a fig's good "adaptability" to its immediate environment. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Well, I just had to subscribe to this thread to keep track of this method. Interested in learning the mystery.
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Dan_la
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Clue number 1 ...... Get yourself some summer cuttings. The BEST time to take them is "just before or during a fig and leaf flush event". (Fig trees in my area can flush three times a year.) Look for wood that is lignified. Branch tips are very nice....but inner wood works too. BTW......flushing will tell you when to fertilize your fig trees. Always carry some pruning shears with you......as you never know when you will happen to find a really good tasting fig. Running shoes are optional.....Navid now carries a pair in his vehicle. Me....I'm too old ro run.
-------------------------- More clues coming.....ONLY after "new people" respond!!! No response...no mo clues. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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I'm a new person do I count? Really the suspense is driving me crazy. Nearly as much as looking at Martin's beautiful dark fig pictures.
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genecolin
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Dan, are you filing those bottles about half full of water and by the time the root begin the water level has dropped. As the root continue to grow and the water drop, the root adjust from being in water to being in a very moist atmosphere and then at some point the roots have hardened off and you move them to a potting mix. Just my guess. "gene"
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I'm following too.
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nkesh099
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I do root the same way, too. But it looks like that you peed in the first bottle, I don't do that part :)
And some say, it's hard to root the figs.....
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I see there are no glass bottles, are you squeezin out the CO2 Dan?
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I'm going to guess you peed in the far left bottle. I'm going to guess one or more bottles are using club soda. I'll guess that one or more bottles has rain water in them.
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Dan_la
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Great guesses guys. Actually there is rhyme and reason for using those bottles. Hint, it is a "SHAPE" thing. And yes indeed, I will get to the BIG role that CO2 gas plays in this particular method. That info will be released around Clue Number 12. Ahhhhh, but I see that a "newbie" has actually posted in this thread. Sooooooooo, true to my word here is Clue Number 2......... ----------------------------------- Now after taking your summer cuttings as previoulsy described and pictured. Cut off all leaves at the point where the leaves meet the leaf stem until they look like this..... DO NOT CUT OFF THE STEMS. The reason you do not cut off the stems will be explained in great detail in the next clue. Notice that some of these cuttings were on wood over 1 year old. It's all good. Alan suggested keeping one leaf on and cutting off all of the rest. That may work too and I will try that next time. This works very very well....... .......no mo clues unless a new "newbie" posts and adds to this thread!! There are lots more "tricks" waiting to be revealed. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Am I newbie enough Dan :) ? I think Gene is getting close enough on some of his guesses to make you snicker. I've already read some of your comments on the higher viability of wood that is in the process of "flushing". So I'm sure that's a given here. I'm not sold on the whole pee idea though. Wait......is it pee? One of them is kinda yellow. OK, who whizzed in the bottle!?
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rafed
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Dan, Does that mineral on the attached photo have anything to do with it? Is it salt or sand? I see one side the cuttings are clean but on the other side they look like they been rolled over the mineral. That's as far as I can go with this.
Dan_la
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Actually Gene is getting close to the idea. A big hint was given in the name of this rooting method.......the "Falling Water Level". The color in the first bottle is actually Algae.....and it is there serving a very useful purpose. ........I am holding out releasing any more significant clues until I see an actual "newbie" posting in this thread. Someone who has never posted before or someone who has few posts on this forum. We have a thousand forum members and many keep silent for some reason. I want to engage their interest and invite their conversation. Any newbies out there wanting to see Clue Number 3? Or do you already know how to easily room summer cuttings?? I can stop here if you already figured it out........ Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Rafed, That mineral looking thing is actually the dirty concrete sidewalk that leads to the shed in my backyard. Navid......you mean you use algae to your advantage too?? And here I am thinking I was on to something new. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Dan, am I still new? Is it Mountain Dew? I am so very curious about this, and it looks potentially very good. I am rooting a few twigs in water right now, AND am off on a little trip tomorrow that might include taking my pruners with me, if you get my meaning. There could be more summer cuttings in my immediate future. I used the 'running out of water completely' method this winter on one extra hardy fig, so I may be a step ahead of you in this game. Please share more! Thank you!
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I would think the green algae would be providing oxygen to the water through photosynthesis thus offsetting the effects of the CO2.
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hey dan.....waiting to hear more - i am a real newbie! newer then anniebee - so let the party role on!got my prunes ready, my running shoes on and i didnt take a piss in coupe of hours now (just in case)
thank you so much for getting us involved as well.....
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You guys are funny. I think in larger picture we are all newbies. Unless you come from like fourth generation of fignuts. Oh by the way it is my post no 25. I have been here for a while, but not so talkative. You got my attention; I am also ready to see some more info.
Navid, do you really expect somebody chasing you over a fig branch? Or is it the dogs you are more concern about?
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This is great, but the suspence is killing me. Dan come on dont make me start a new account for step 3 lol.
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okay..your teaching me....because i have not done any cutting before..but i'm like the kid in the candy store...you have my attention's
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you are leaving it on the sunny window where it will get some sun to process photosynthesis and provide energy to root better? and also generate alge to get the oxygen generated in that small mouth bottle where it will provide mini green house type environment? pete
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Hey Dan I am not a Newbie but a newbie to this method I have cuttings waiting to try this method. The shape of the bottle dose it limit the air and causes condensation? I have no clue but am going to try it I have the cuttings in a zip lock waiting to do this. thanks Paul
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Dan, Since all plants convert CO2 to oxygen, and so need CO2 to grow well, I'll say you are adding CO2 to the bottles to produce roots and leaves. I know some friends that add CO2 to their aquarium water to produce better growth in their plants. Am I correct?
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Dan_la
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Now this is what I like to see.........lurkers, new or shy people posting and asking questions & adding to this discussion. That is how we all learn. No question is a silly one. And the only dumb question is the one that is not asked.......... Some of you guys already can see where I am going with this method. Gene you are correct in what Algae is doing. However, there are several tricks one needs to know about algae. I'll discuss that more later on in this thread. Now please continue to "pay close attention" guys. THE DEVIL is in those little details. It can mean the difference between success or failure!! --------------------------------------- Clue Number 3....... Now take your summer cuttings and put them in a plastic zip lock bag. Make sure to place them with their bud tips up. Put that bag in a quart size container as illustrated. Add an inch or two of water to the bag with the cuttings (tap water is OK....still experimenting with distilled or rain water). Like I said I have tons more experiments to perform with this technique. Now place those containers anywhere that is NOT in direct sunlight. Put it somewhere where you can see them, as you will need to change that water at least once a day. Twice a day if you have lots of cuttings in that bag. You must change the water often because you want to keep some dissolved "oxygen" in that water. Now wait until the stems fall off of those cuttings.....then go on to the next step. Which will be revealed when we see more "newbies" posting in this tread. There are quite a few more tricks coming.......... Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Dan,
Not going to spell out my secret, yet. But, let me ask you a question. Did you placed all the bottles behind the glass window at the same time? For example, each and every bottle is been placed there since two weeks ago or whenever.
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Yes, those bottles were all placed on the window sill at the same time. Except for the one on the left.....that one is another on-going experiment on to itself.
However, there is still some "stuff" that we need to discuss before get to put them on the window sill and allow them to do their rooting thing....... Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Ok Dan.
If other forum members look closely to the bottles in the first pic. you see how most are less than half filled with water. And the bottles have a small opening. Also, you see lots of condensation inside the bottles. Each plays a role in rooting using this method, but there are few details that I DID left out too.
like I said, not going to spell give out my secret right away.
Eli, Your last post cracked me up :)
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"water culture" orchids algae. If anyone wants to learn a little on their own while they are waiting then jam that into Google. It is really tough to keep the algae going longterm. I wonder if you have selected a species of algae Dan? I encountered several different types but found the wispy bright green types produced lots of bubbles and did not become matted down, restricting gas exchange and killing the algae underneath.
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OKAY Dan...I am a newbie too, I am! And I have cuttings waiting in the wings, help me Dan, help me. Gives a new definition to Water Torture! Mercy, have mercy!!
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***** Newbie Alert ***** Do you wait till there is some callus formation at the heel of the cutting before moving to the bottles? Ruvan
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Dan_la
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Hello Ruvan, There is no need to wait for any callus to form. ---------------------------- Let's see where were we? Well we obtained some summer cuttings from a fig tree that we wanted to propagate. And we followed the following advice: "THE BEST time to take fig cuttings for summer rooting is "JUST BEFORE" the first or the second fig leaf flush They will have lots of energy to spare and will root very quickly. The big advantage to taking cuttings at this time, is that the internal pipeline is fully functional and not dormant. Taking cuttings just before a fig flush can make a big difference in rooting success." See this link....... http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5426383&highlight=flush --------------------------------------------- Let's talk a bit about the "internal pipeline". What in the heck is that? Think of it as an internal communication system that transfers both "information" (chemical signals), and nutrients/water from the bottom of a cutting to the top. When rooting "dormant" cuttings this internal pipeline is not as functional nor as active as it is when it actively growing. So we want to do little damage as possible to that pipeline when we take those cuttings. We want to take advantage of the fact that the cutting is "alive" with a fully functional internal pipeline. After you take your summer cuttings, get them started as soon as you get home with them. Cut the leaves off as was pictured....leaving the stems on the twigs. Put them in some water as was pictured. Now keep this in mind......IT IS VERY IMPORTANT for that water to always have some oxygen in it. Those cuttings will be fine and WILL NOT BEGIN TO ROT.....if you make sure to keep some oxygen ALWAYS in that water. And do not worry about mold. There will be absolutely no problems with mold if you follow the details of my method. ZERO MOLD ISSUES.......none, zip, NADA!! Now how do we do we proceed and maintain that internal pipeline. Well it is very easy if you are rooting only a few cuttings as pictured. You just need to change the water often. For one or two cuttings....once a day is fine. For more cuttings, change the water more often. For many many cutting use an air pump (aquarium type for fish) to get air into that water. You can shake the bottle to get air/oxygen inside. An aerator on the kitchen faucet is good too. Just make sure that the water always has some oxygen in it and ALL WILL BE FINE.
Now we wait for those leaf stems to fall off BEFORE we proceed. Whenever we see one fall off.....we remove it from the water. When that stem falls off from the twig it will absorb oxygen out of the water....which we do not want it to do. Keeping those stems on the twig until they fall off helps in two significant ways. 1) It helps with the "chemical information system" that tells the twig it needs to form roots and leaves ASAP and 2) Those stems have a good supply of internal "energy reserves" that the twig will tap into "if needed" to form those new roots and leaves. DO NOT CUT THEM OFF......leave them on and use them to your advantage. After those stems fall off. Put your cuttings (single cutting per bottle is best) into empty clear plastic soda or water bottles as was pictured. Use bottles with a small sized mouth....see pictures. That is important for what will be happening inside of those bottles. Now Clue Number 4............ Add water to the bottles to the level where about three inches of the twig will be under water (four inches is fine too.....not super critical). Use wire or bread wrap tries if necessary to hold the cutting in place if too short for the bottle. Pot those bottles where they will get some "direct morning sun" for a few hours a day. I put mine on an east facing window sill that is in my kitchen. They see direct and strong unfiltered sunlight for at least four hours per day.
Now why in the heck do we do this??? Well, there are some very specific reasons for doing just that. We are going to take advantage of some other "rooting properties" and turn them to our advantage. And all will eventually be revealed and a lot more "other tricks" will be discussed whenever other new "newbies" post into this thread. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Thanks, Dan! I have 5 cuttings from a friend 20 days ago. I am new to fig / planting, so I want to try different ways to see what is the best to root. 1 & 2: In a potting soil keeping them moist and cover with a clear plastic bag 3 hours direct sun light. (one of them the part under soil is turning black and some insects are living there) 3: Wrapped around with wet paper towel and keep it inside a zip lock bag 3 hours of direct sunlight (It's also turning black and mold) 4 & 5: in soil put inside a black garage bag which is put under direct light for 3 hours. (Haven't check them lately) From what I see, I don't think they are going to root. I am following your thread, and will try it next summer. Thanks again!
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Dan, I suppose the three inches of water are just to hydrate the cutting trough the open channels while the new roots are forming above the water level, profiting from the damp environment inside the bottle. Actually, the environment should be about the same as in the rooting zip-lock bag. The sun would help to create abundant vapors inside the bottle, which would be visible trough the sweating of the bottle on the inside.
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Dan, for Clue Number 3 & Number 4, Can you put up some pictures please? Thanks!
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Mak, I hate to say it.......but, you did everything wrong. I will explain why to you later. Do not give up. Rooting fig cutting is very easy to do if you follow some simple rules. Boris, no......the environment inside of the bottle IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT that what is inside of a zip lock bag. One is an "open" rooting environment and the other is a "closed" rooting environment. So the rooting parameters can be quite different. Rules that apply to "open" do not necessarily apply to "close" rooting environments. This is very confusing to many people. I will try to explain the differences to you later. ----------------------------- This method I describing in this thread is EXTREMELY simple.....and it is not as complicated as it sounds. However, there are some "details" that need to be discussed so that people will obtain good results. Pay attention to those detalis and you will be up to your ears in new fig trees!! More Clues/details tomorrow guys..........time for bed. It is good to see new people engaging in this discussion and asking questions. ----------------------------------------- FYI....the use of rooting hormones when summer rooting is covered in the "Summer Rooting 301 class". The use of Synergistic Algae is covered in the "Summer Rooting 401 class". This class is for advanced rooters only and will only be briefly touched upon in this tread. And yes indeed there is even a "Rooting 501 class" and that one will remain secret for awhile. I have not yet discussed "Summer Rooting 101" either. That one is pretty much straight forward and very very simple to do. You plant your summer cuttings in 5 inch peat pots as soon as you see root initials develop on your cuttings. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Dan, just to get the details straight, in clue #3 you stated " put them in a plastic zip lock bag. Make sure to place them with their bud tips up. Put that bag in a quart size container as illustrated. Add an inch or two of water to the bag....". Why the bag in the jar and not directly in the jar? Just a wondering... "gene"
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dan - i cant believe mak will need to wait another year to start over..... that is too harshperhaps send him a pm with more details so he can get going now
on a more serious note, can you please indicate, more or less, how many days does each stage take? (apprx how long does it takes for the stems to fall?)
in general, would you say people in cold climate had missed the window on this season?
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Theman7676, I throught the fig is going to dormant soon, we can still root new fig tree at this time of this year? If so, I will have to look for more cuttings!
Dan, thanks for telling me that I did all for nothing! Can't wait for you method! By the way I also started growing lavender at the same time also no success. I guess I need to work for lowes in the nursery depArtment for awhile first before I plant anything else. :(
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Dan, I think you've bit off more than you can chew, with all the questions you're gonna have to answer......LOL! Can you please explain more in detail:The BEST time to take them is "just before or during a fig and leaf flush event". (Fig trees in my area can flush three times a year.) Look for wood that is lignified. What is a flushing event? And, what is lignified wood? Thanks for these lessons. I'm a long experienced gardener, but now I feel like a novice.
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Dan, in clue no 3 you say: Now take your summer cuttings and put them in a plastic zip lock bag. Make sure to place them with their bud tips up. Put that bag in a quart size container as illustrated. I CAN NOT SEE ANY PICTURES! Am I missing something obvious? Karla
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Thanks Karla, The picture should be there now. There is a known "bug" that sometimes causes previously posted pictures to disappear. Gene, that picture is there now and it should be clearer what I meant.
Mak & theman, NEVER EVER apply heat to any "closed" rooting environment. Added heat simply IS NOT needed and that added heat often will cause cuttings to mold and rot. Don't add any heat....... Udamman, We have a mixed audience here. Some with lots of experience in rooting fig cuttings and some with very little. And yes that can make it more difficult. However, as I stated this is VERY EASY so don't get lost in all those details. I believe that I need to point them out because that is what often means the difference between success or failure. It is good to see new people getting involved in these discussions and I for one want to encourage that. In short....lignified means the "soft" flexible green new growth has turned into a stiffer "hard" wood. Re read what I posted in that link provide earlier to learn more about the fig leaf/flush cycle and if you still have questions after re- reading, ask your questions in that thread. Also you can do a search on the word "lignified" to find out what was previously written on that subject. Look up in the upper right hand corner of this page and you will see a "SEARCH" link just above your forum name. ----------------------------------------------- To sum up this fig rooting method thus far and with very few details........... "Get you some summer cuttings. Take the leafy part off of the stems. Put them in water until the stems fall off. Then put them individually in water bottles on your window sill until the roots form."
Now that saves a lot of time and words....);>) It really is ALMOST that simple....but not quite. -------------------------------------------- Now where were we? Oh yeah, we had placed our summer cuttings in an area where they will see some direct morning sun. There are some very specific reasons for putting them there where they will see some sunlight. Well the reason for us doing that is we are going to take advantage of a particular rooting property I have discussed on many occasions on the fig forums. Namely that "the kind of roots" and leaves that form on a ficus carica twig is greatly affected by the rooting environment under which they formed and developed. We are gong to take advantage of this "adaptability" function of the new roots and leaves that we will grow in our controlled rooting environment. AND we are going to take advantage of the fact that those cuttings are still ALIVE (not dormant).....with their internal pipeline still fully functional. ---------- You will leave those cuttings in those bottles on that window sill "until you see 'root initials' form on your cutting". If you do not know what root initials are.....please do a search on those words. And you will find lots of information written on this subject. It may take a week or two....sometimes earlier, it just depends on some other variables too. During that time it is VERY important that you keep dissolved oxygen in that water. Did I say very important? Yes indeed I did say VERY IMPORTANT. I did not say a little important. I think I said very important. It is YOUR choice how you want to accomplish that. I usually just remove the cutting from the bottle. Put my finger over its mouth and shake the bottle vigorously. That will cause air/oxygen to dissolve in that water. I do that twice a day. Now we wait for roots entitles to form on out cutting.......then we go on to the next step. And we will know exactly when those root intials will form as we are adding oxygen to that water twice a day. Right???? Dan Semper Fi-cus
Karla
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Thank you Dan, it is clear now. Karla
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texascockatoos
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Dan,From Clue number 1:
1. Is there something that I need to look for to determine when a leaf flush is about to happen?
2. Do you start your water bottles when you put your cuttings in a bag, so that the algae can get a head start?
From Clue number 3:
1. Do you put any water in the quart jar or are you just using that for support and protection in case the bag leaks?
2. What is the purpose of the plastic bag in the quart jar?
3. How long does it normally take for the stems to fall off?
From Clue number 4:
1. Have you experimented with water temperatures at this stage? Example: Putting some bottles in direct sunlight for a few hours outside and comparing those to the ones inside in the window? Outdoor temps vs Indoor temps
About how long does it take to see root initials on the cuttings once they are in the plastic bottles in the window?
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Dan_la
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From Clue number 1:
1. Is there something that I need to look for to determine when a leaf flush is about to happen?
In the spring this occurs just before bud break. In the summer this occurs during the month of July in my area. You will see certain parts of the tree resuming their vigorous new growth during one of the flush cycles. When you see that on the tree......look for one that has not yet opened its tip bud.
2. Do you start your water bottles when you put your cuttings in a bag, so that the algae can get a head start?
Not going to discuss how to use Algae in this thread. That will be too complicated for most people, I will discuss that subject later in another thread. As a young chemist I spent a good bit of time dealing with algae problems......so I know more than the average Joe about Algae. It can be used to one's advantage during rooting. But, it can be problematic too if yoiu don't know what you are doing.
From Clue number 3:
1. Do you put any water in the quart jar or are you just using that for support and protection in case the bag leaks?
Water is only in the bag. The jar is only for support and if the bag leaks. The bag stays OPEN and not closed.
2. What is the purpose of the plastic bag in the quart jar?
Creates a high humidity and "open" environment. Do not close the bag.
3. How long does it normally take for the stems to fall off?
It depends on the variety. Usually a week or two.
From Clue number 4:
1. Have you experimented with water temperatures at this stage? Example: Putting some bottles in direct sunlight for a few hours outside and comparing those to the ones inside in the window? Outdoor temps vs Indoor temps
Nope. I have literally tons of experiments to conduct before I am satisfied with this particular method. It works well enough to begin sharing the method at this point.
About how long does it take to see root initials on the cuttings once they are in the plastic bottles in the window?
Not long....remember the cuttings were in some oxygenated water before they were placed in the window.
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Next clue......
When you see root initials form on those cuttings. You can place them in peat pots and root as I have directed in other thteads/posts.
HOWEVER, we will not do that. We will do something completely different. We are going to take advantage of the fact that this is a summer cutting. We are going to make photosynthesis work to our advantage during this rooting process. And we will produce some roots and leaves that are almost already harden off. We are going to take advantage of the "adaptability" of ficus Carica to its immediate environment.
Much more later......
Dan
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lukeott
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were we not already using photosynthesis when we placed the bottles in the window to catch the morning sun? that is when this process happens just in the early part of the day. next thing i am no scientist but i would think that during this process there will be some type of gas forming so closing it would stop any oxogen from entering, no? did i also miss something? i thought we were changing the water every day but you say shake the bottle couple times a day. i'm confused about the water. you have to remember i'm not the sharp tack in the box. luke