Dan_la
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Hello Luke, First you will put cuttings (with their green leaf stems still attached) in that gallon sized zip lock plastic bag that you will put inside of an empty quart wide mouth plastic container.......see picture. You give those cutting air by changing the water very often......shaking too is good. Don't put too many cuttings in one single plastic bag because they will be using up oxygen while they are in that bag. And you do not want for them to "smother" and get rotten. Remember to keep that bag OPEN at the top. So change that water often and put as much air in it as possible. Use a fish aquarium air pump if you have one. After the stems fall off, then you put them individually in small mouth empty plastic soda bottles. Those cuttings won't fit in those small mouth bottles until the stems fall off.
Once you have your cuttings in the small mouth soda bottles, you can add air to these by putting your finger on the mouth opening and shaking as directed. As long as you keep oxygen from the air in the bag and oxygen from the air in the soda bottle......you WILL NOT have any problems with any rot or mold. If you do not add air....you WILL have problems. It is very very very simple to insure that you always have oxygen from the air in that water at all times. Yes, those leaves that open up from a closed bud WILL start photosynthesis right away. That is because those cuttings are already "alive" and the internal pipeline is fully functional. Those leaves will absorb carbon dioxide "from the air" and produce oxygen and more food (energy reserves) for the cutting to use. Now don't get confused with this.......inside of the bottle where the roots are growing, you can have photosynthesis coming from any algae that is growing on the wall inside of the soda bottle. A cutting needs more oxygen (in this example it will take oxygen "from the water") to combine with its internal energy reserves to make those new root cells that you will see growing. In that biochemical process of creating those "brand new roots" that cutting will make Carbon Dioxide gas "in the root area". In this case, the carbon dioxide that is made BY THE ROOTS will just dissolve "in the water". Now algae loves to eat carbon dioxide that is dissolved in water. Carbon dioxide is food for algae. So sometimes you will see algae grow in your rooting bottles. That is not a problem and actually can be quite GOOD. That algae will use the carbon dioxide that those new roots are giving off and dissolving in the water bottles.....to use for itself. That process that the algae is using is called photosynthesis too. But through photosynthesis, the algae is making food for ITSELF TO USE and to grow even more algae. What the algae does for "the cutting" itself is give it more oxygen. Which is GOOD for the cuttings too. So the algae will remove the carbon dioxide that the cutting makes when new roots are forming and in return the algae will produce more oxygen in the water that the cuttings need to produce even more "new" roots. This is a win win situation for both the algae and for the cutting whenever this does occur. Don't worry at all about this algae thing. If you see it...fine. And if you don't see it....that is fine too. Just make sure to add air to your water and all will be just fine. Like I've said, this is very very very easy to do. However, there is some real science going on inside of those bags and inside of those bottles.....and I mention that for those who want to know WHY things happen or WHY they sometimes don't happen. Dan Semper Fi-cus
TucsonKen
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So it sounds as if the algae that grew between the plastic and the soil in my one-gallon, translucent milk jug "pots" was beneficial to the figs' roots?
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Dan_la
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Now we are dipping into one of my cuttent fig propagation research areas........... Yes it is beneficial....... as long as you don't create an actual algal bloom inside of those plalstic jugs.............all will be OK. And actually it can be very beneficial to your cuttings. You can prevent algae blooms in water environments by changing out the water. As long as it stays bright green in color it should be OK. Dan Semper Fi-cus
vickitucson
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I am following too, trying to learn.
Dan_la
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Hello viciitucson, This is very very easy to do.....so don't get put off or confused by the side bar discussions. Don't worry at all about this algae thing............ Dan Semper Fi-cus
Dan_la
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Rafed, I have no firm date in mind and still have tons of more work to do before I am satisfied enough to publish. My immediate goal is to write "fig tags" which have relevant and real descriptions on them so people will buy those good cultivars. Few people in my area will buy a Smith fig because they have no idea how good tasting a Smith fig really is... I am not 100% satisfied with this rooting method that I am now describing to this forum. But, IMO many people can benefit from this information even thought the method is not yet perfected. In my propagation research efforts I have killed enough fig wood to build a house. But.......I have also rooted enough fig trees to plant a forest. I love messing around with this fig hobby. One day I might reveal some other very interesting concepts that I am working on. I have to sometimes laugh at myself at some of the off the wall things that I try. I will give one example of utter failure. A few years ago I was experimenting with blocking a fig's open eye to keep the bugs out. I found something that works and is pretty cheap. I paced an ordere for some of those small little round tags (fruit labels) that you see with the UPC information on the fruit that you buy at the store. Those lables are water proof and they will stick real well (when new) to the eye of a fig and completely block its entrance. I really thought that I had a winner idea. HA haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......the only problem turned out to be, I gave notification to my fig eating birds exactly which figs were ready to eat!!!
---------------------------- edit.....this post is in reponse to a post that Rafed apparently deleted. Dan Semper Fi-cus
rafed
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Don't know what happened Dan. I hit edit but must have pushed delete, sorry But to everyone wondering. I asked Dan when he planned on publishing his book on figs. He had mentioned this a while back. Hope everyone here will give Dan the support and buy one when he gets it published. Good luck Dan and looking foreword to seeing it happen.
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I'm looking forward to the book, Dan. You're not going to publish it a chapter at a time though, are you? If so, you could call it Fig Tease , by Gypsy Rose Dan. ;-)
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Dan_la
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I have no intentions of ever making any money with my fig hobby.....only the personal satisfaction that comes when my studies are finally done. I do know what works well for me. And I certainly don't care a bit what those "horticulturist" have to say. And I sure as heck do not seek their advice nor their approval for anything. This forum can judge for themselves if any of the information that I choose to share is useful to them. It is what it is.....even though there is one guy up in New Jersey who wants me to shut up and get lost. In fact, he has recently accused me of damaging this fig forum. Give me a figging break!! That is not going to happen..... l---------------------------
LOL, ken!! Dan Semper Fi-cus
rafed
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There's no damage to teaching someone else. I don't understand, then maybe this person had other intentions. Not going to worry about it. Dan, Are you a Gemini?
Dan_la
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My zodiac sign is that of the Cajun. I have all of the traits of a happy, carefree, hard working, God fearing, and family loving very simple Cajun. Aaaaaaeeeeeeee!! And I am proud to be a certified Cajun living down here in south Louisiana. Gemini is for those poor Northerners who choose to live "Way Up North" above Shreveport, La. LOL. Dan Semper Fi-cus
rafed
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Yes Dan, I'm a proud Yankee. Not born to it but inherited it. LOL But I love the South and the food.
Dan_la
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My ancestors were driven out of French speaking Canada with only the shirt on their backs.......because they flat out REFUSED to bow down and change their religion at the request of England's King George. That is one reason why we Cajuns are fiercely independent and hold on to our own traditions and own values. We have our own unique food, our own unique music, and a definite joyous and carefree...own way of live. Family and religion is at the very center of our lives. How dare king George try to change that!! I'm still pissed at the English monarchy to this day. lol Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Dan, I, for one, am very glad you're researching, experimenting, and sharing your results. I've learned a lot--keep it up!
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Boris
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Dan, I used to keep fig and pomegranate cuttings in the water for about two weeks before planting them into the rooting mix. I did this "priming" to minimize the time available for fungus to attack the cutting's bark before the roots emerge. It looks like I have used just one step of your rooting concept in combination with the traditional method.
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alright Dan, your going to have to let that go. king george has been dead a few years now. back to the next step, please. hehehe Luke
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I got my Butt in trouble right here one time for talking about King George
You can bet your bootie I ain't fixin to go there no mo!
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nkesh099
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Dan, I see your method is similar to mine except few things that I really don't think it's necessary for me to explain at this time (don't want to confuse your followers and whoever is learning). But, we both get one thing and it's, roots.
Since you asked me about Algae and how I use it to help me in rooting the cuttings, I will briefly explain that to you. I let algae grow in the bottles after the 3rd week from when the cuttings were placed in the bottles. Algae helps with Nitrogen fixation, Photosynthesis and Carbon fixation. All three will help the roots to provide them with food (Polysaccharides) and Oxygen as one of the by-products of those reactions. It will also decrease the CO2 concentration by converting it into oxygen (Photosynthesis)
But too much algae can have adverse affects on the roots or the cutting. Dead alga will settle at the bottom of the bottle and will be decomposed by bacteria and it will become mold. And we all know what mold can do to the cuttings.
Navid.
BTW maybe you should send me one of those cuttings in your first pic (BB10) so I can grow it beside my NdC and see if they are in fact the same fig or not. I will be getting a Kathleen Blk from a generous member, just need your BB10 :)
Dan_la
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Navid, I did not ask you about Algae as I am already an EXPERT on what algae does in water and its life cycle. I am well aware of its role in producing half of the planet's supply of oxygen. I am also aware of the symbiotic role that algae plays with "living coral" to CREATE those coral reefs......hint, it is a pH thing that precipitates calcium carbonate through the diurnal photosynthesis cycle. When algae is growing in water it can (and often will) drastically change the pH of that water. Algae can raise the pH of the water that it growing in to above pH 10.0......how high the pH goes depends on some other water parameters. Chemistry (even some bio chemistry) is my thing. I know chemistry like the back of my hand and I know how to put it to good use in the growing and propagation of figs. And as you apparently know Navid, green algae CAN DEFINITELY be used to one's advantage when rooting fig cuttings. One day I "might" post some of my research findings on the use of algae while rooting fig cuttings. But, I will not do that in this thread. That would be WAY too confusing for most newbies......and confusing for some experienced rooters as well. Some would have no idea what the heck we are talking about. Why some are still confused with the "Improved Baggie Method". ----------------------------------------- General information regarding the mention of "algae" in this thread.... If you see algae develop in your plastic bottles......that is fine. And if YOU DON'T see algae develop in your plastic bottles.....that is perfectly fine too. DO NOT WORRY at all about this algae thing. Your cuttings will root well for you either way. -------------------------------------------------- There are some other very interesting things I am working on in regard to this particular rooting method. I may post some of those in another thread so as to not make things more confusing. Like I've already stated, I am not yet 100% satisfied with this method. I want perfection and a fool proof method..............and, IMO, that CAN BE obtained!! And science (not blind luck) will lead the way. Why, in this particular thread, I haven't even gotten to the part where we will DROP THE WATER LEVEL to try to develop "2 types" of roots. Stay tuned........... Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Dan,
You said, I did not ask you about Algae.
Then you had asked me in post #19, Navid......you mean you use algae to your advantage too?? And here I am thinking I was on to something new.
That is why I explained what/how algae does help me in rooting.
Navid.
Dan_la
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Navid, OK. I see that it is just a language interpretation thing. No big deal...... ------------------------- Here is a picture of what we are trying to achieve. The leaves on this cutting/tree are already used to seeing strong direct sunlight. So they are aleady harden off and have been making food for this now almost tree....while they were sitting on the east facing window sill. Those roots that developed in this type "rooting environment" are pretty tough too. They adapted "into" that environment which is what makes them tough and multi functional.
Again, you WILL NOT have any mold issues of any sort "IF" you ensure that you have some disssolved air (oxygen) in that water at all times. If you have "green" algae growing in that bottle....it will provide the necessary oxygen so that you will not need to add any more by shaking the bottles. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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TucsonKen
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Dan, I'm wondering why the Ziploc bag. Why not put the cuttings straight into the bottle? Is it just to make it easier to retrieve the petioles when they drop off?
BTW, I like the "mad chemist" avatar--it makes it easier to find your posts.
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Dan_la
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Ken, Cuttings which still have the leaf stems left on them will not fit into a narrow mouth bottle. Plus it is very important to remove them from the water when they eventually do fall off. Putting them is a zip lock bag makes it easy to accomplish that. Plus the zip lock bag opening can be adjusted (when necessary) to keep the relative humidity real high near the unopened bud tips so that they cannot dry out. Howeve, since the internal pipeline is sitll functional on a summer cutting they are not very likely to dry out. You want to root in a narrow mouth clear plastic bottle. IMO, that bottle "shape" is very conducive to good rooting. Notice in the last picture how those roots developed all along that twig. That was by design (not accident) of the method. Dropping the water level after you see actual twig "barking" and/or "root initials" helps force those types of roots to form. Control the rooting environment and you can affect the "functionality" of the leaves and roots that develop on your twigs. In other words, take advantage of Ficus Carica's excellent adaptability to the environment in which it grows. Manipullate that environment to your advantage. Dan Semper Fi-cus
TucsonKen
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And do you actively remove water, or just let it get sucked up by the fig? What do you mean by twig "barking"? Did those roots continue their development as aerial roots in the high humidity of the narrow mouth bottle? At this point, is it ready to transfer to potting medium?
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Dan_la
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Yes, I physically "drop the water level" in those bottles when I can see Barking or root initials on those twigs. I drop the water level from where it was previously and down to a point where water covers ONLY the bottom most node. That is where the name "Falling Water Level" fig propagation rooting method comes from. That area between the bottom node water level and the top of the narrow mouth bottle.....is now very conducive to the formation of those aeroponic root types. Those that develop in the water itself are more hydroponic in nature. The combination of BOTH roots types, makes for a very good root system. Fig Barking is that white "fluffy" stuff that often develops on a fig cutting while it it rooting. Some people confuse it with mold...which it is not. That stuff is easily removed with a toothbrush. And when you remove "that stuff' from the formerly smooth surface of a cutting, you are left with a rough texture on that cutting that now resembles the Bark of a tree. Hence the word Barking..... rather than "that white fluffy stuff that grew on my cuttings." Dan Semper Fi-cus
TucsonKen
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Thanks for the clarification. So--do we have enough info now to get started? I'd like to give this method a shot ASAP, but don't want to get going before all the essential steps have been laid out.
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Dan_la
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Sure you can get started ASAP. I will post a summary of this method without all of those sidbar distractions. It is very very easy to do and not at all as complicated as it might sound. The intent of the method is to force things to go in the right direction and to not let those good things happen by mere chance. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Great--I'll look forward to the summary. My pruners are itching to get started.
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Dan_la
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Look for any branches which have "unopened bud tips" on your tree. Take cuttings from that branch ending. Remove the leaves as was directed.....and keep the leaf "stems" intact and still attached to the twig. Get them in aerated water as directed and you are well on your way......... Have fun. Dan Semper Fi-cus
TucsonKen
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I realize this method is geared toward actively-growing summer cuttings, but is there any reason it would not work for dormant cuttings as well?
Also, would it work to prepare cuttings as you describe, but rather than immediately put them in water, wrap them in a moist paper towel or sphagnum inside a Ziploc bag and ship them to someone else so they can try this method? I assume the lack of sunlight and abundant water during the brief transit delay would not cause any major problems?
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Dan_la
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Ken, If you and I ever met, we would be talking figs for hours!! lol This method works well enough for starting dormant cuttings too. To date, I have not rooted dormant cuttings in "direct sunlight" as I have done with many summer cuttings. I do not see any reason why the shipment of summer cuttings would not be possible. My initial thoughts were to use a water/peroxide gelling agent around the bottom node of some live cuttings. Have not actually done that yet. Anyone want to give that a try and report back to us?? For all I know at this point, the shipment of "summer" cuttings using only moist sphagnum or paper towel would work just fine. I just wonder about getting an air plug or seal in the internal pipeline. And I would try using an ultra sonic bath to try to break that plug or seal if it did occur. Now why in the world do I have an ultra sonic bath.....well it cleans the crapola out of cuttings and helps with their re hydration. Ask me how I know?? However, that is an expensive piece of equipment that is not needed. Unless you need to clean many fig cuttings., the cost is simply not justified. All of these ideas take time for study and time to determine a cost vs benefit analyst. Next year I will be in a much better position to answer more questions. Like I've stated, I have many more tricks up my sleeves that I have not yet found time to try. I did not want to wait a year or two to release/discuss my findings of this particular rooting method. Hopefully, others will share how this method worked or did not work for them. Dan Semper Fi-cus
TucsonKen
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I assume if the "pipeline" were to get blocked, it would happen at the cut point, due to air drying the latex or other "juices"? If so, could you just make the cuttings longer by one node, and then slice off that extra node upon receiving the cuttings, to restore the flow?
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Dan_la
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Yes... in fact, IMO, it would be best to cut your summer cuttings a bit longer in the field (a least an inch below the bottom node) and then re-cut it just before putting it in water. That cutting juice when in the water will use up oxygen.....so change the water often as was suggested. That detail of leaving the cutting longer will be written into the final version of the method. Maybe that will be enough in all instances to insure the pipeline is OK.....just do not know this for certain right now. I do know that it is NOT HARMFUL to the cutting in any way.......it just affects the dissolved oxygen. And if that goes to zero, than it can become harmful. Dan Semper FI-cus
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Thanks. I and many others greatly appreciate all this information and look forward to giving your method a try. I've had very good luck the few times I've placed the lower portions of my cuttings in water for a few days prior to planting them in medium, and this sounds like it will build on those beneficial effects and yield a much more reliable way of turning twigs into trees. I would enjoy meeting to talk figs some day--I'm sure I would learn a lot!
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Tell me about the ultrasonic bath! By the way, the bubble thing is something that "fresh" flowers have to deal with. A fresh cut (underwater for roses) is the best way to deal with that. Woody branches are usually split at the bottom to increase water uptake (not that it really applies here). I also suspect that a low ph will help with water uptake (though not necessarily rooting) because floral preservative solution contains citric acid to bring down the ph for that very reason. And Poppies are chemically burned at the cut to stop water from entering the transport systems (not a recommendation) somehow it makes them last longer.
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Dan_la
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A dip in an ultra sonic bath should break any bubble blocs in a cutting . A bubble simply cannot exist in an ultra sonic bath. It would be almost immediately broken down in size where it could very easily exit the internal pipeline. I would place my cuttings in a manner where the cut ends of the bottom node are angled slightly upwards. This would then allow the liquid solution that is in the bath (water) to rush in fill the space where that bubble once was. A bubble bloc would have no chance of surviving those waves. The internal pipeline would then be restored. And any external debris on the exterior of the cutting would fall off too from that same ultra sonic action. This is what jewels use to clean jewelry. I used one for many years in my laboratory to clean many items.....especially things like needles that would get plugged up with heavy hydrocarbons and for the cleaning of electronic parts, and for routine cleaning of filters that would get plugged up with debris. Those ultra sonic waves will clean the crapola out of almost anything. They work like magic. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Dan, From the later parts of post #59, I am still wondering what prompted some very, very old words to be mentioned (less some facts) and what were the exact intentions for doing so. I thought that a truce has been agreed to. Maybe some editing should be done.
__________________ George, NJ_z7a.
Dan_la
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Hello there George, I just re-read that post twice and find it to be 100% correct. All of what I have written in this entire thread has been 100% accurate If you have a problem with ANYTHING that I have written in this entire thread, you can send me a PM. I gladly accept PM's (private messages) from anybody and do not have that wonderful PM forum feature turned off like you do. However, if you prefer to discuss "whatever" is bothering you in a public manner.....than please go right ahead. Did you enjoy reading about this fig rooting method? I have found it to work real well for those summer cuttings. Hopefully, this will be of benefit to others. And I really did enjoy seeing more new forum members getting involved and asking questions. Dan (from Southeast Louisiana----Cajun country) Semper Fi-cus
Fredfig
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Hey, Cajun Dan. When y'all left Arcadia, some put leashes on their pet lobsters, then drug then down to the Gulf. Wore the legs and shell way down! That's why all that's left is Mud-bugs / crawfish! Excellent tasting crawfish!! Fredfig
Dan_la
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Hey Fred, LOL.....that is the story that we tell those who frown upon the idea of eating crawfish (or crayfish as known to many). Crawfish that are raised and come from the rice fields and swamps of south Louisiana are some mighty fine eating.
FYI.....some restaurant up in New York got into some hot water lately. A real Cajun had their high priced "lobster" salad for lunch in that New York restaurant. The Cajun immediately recognized that it was really crawfish that he was being served and not lobster. He wrote about it in his food blog in Louisiana. That was eventually picked up by the news media and that started a big controversy for the restaurant owner. Maybe your story would have helped calm down those loyal customers who were pissed at that restaurant owner for not having any lobster in their lobster salads!! Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Dan...when you are dealing with the ultrasonic cleaner, do you want one that you can emerge the entire cutting in water solution, or can you do one end, then the other?? If one end, then the other...folks, on eBay you can grab small ones for less than $4. Also, if one has started rooting some cuttings via the baggie method, and it has been 1-2 weeks since initiating....can you switch to your technique? Of course, you don't have the stems to monitor, so where would one start..IF you can?? So interesting!
__________________ ~Sara~
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Dan_la
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Years ago when I was experimenting with the prevention of mold, I used an ultra sonic bath to clean batches of cuttings. I laid them down horizontally in the bath. And I tried using plain water, an alcohol/water solution, and an AB Dawn solution. They all cleaned up nice by the mechanical agitation of the sonic waves. The Dawn solution seemed to work the best. I'm guessing that is because of the surfactants (ie. Chemical wetting agents) that are in the detergent. Using an ultrasonic bath adds much more of an intense and reliable "mechanical cleaning" action to the cleaning process. Using AB Dawn and then 10% bleach "chemically" cleans those cuttings too. The combination of excellent mechanical action AND chemical cleaning gets them pretty clean. However, from a practical standpoint.....using a toothbrush (i.e. human mechanical action rather than sonic action) and cleaning sequentially those cuttings with Dawn AB soapy solution that is then followed by a brief minute soaking in 10 bleach solution.........works quite well for the needs of most people. In short people don't need an ultrasonic bath unless they really want one. FYI, I also used UV light to treat my cuttings. This works great too. Years ago , I was big time into developing a safe "Anti Mold" chemical agent. To conduct my many experiments, I needed lot of both moldy cuttings and cuttings that were very clean for my studies. I leaned how to make batches of moldy cutting and found some effective chemicals too. In fact I had even named my product ----Mold X2. LOL..... However, that extreme cleaning is simply not needed "if" you pay attention to the rules of rooting cuttings. First and foremost......never apply heat intentionally to cuttings that are in a "closed" rooting environment. This can easily form that bad ass high purity "condensation" (again not talking tap water here) can form on any newly opening buds or on any newly formed roots. This can initiate an osmosis reaction that will liberate food for mold to grow on. Condensation is what most often begins the mold/rot cycle and it is caused by a temperature differential that exists anywhere in the "rooting environment". But I have to tell you this......it is sure "fun" to use heating mats, propagation mats, ultra sonic baths, and ultra violet lights on your cuttings!!! But NONE of that is needed to attain a very high success rate of turning twigs into plant-able fig trees. Have fun with your experiments too. If you switch over the cuttings that you already started to this rooting method, let us know how they progress for you. Try it with half to be on the safe side. Best of luck to you. Dan Semper Fi-cus
gorgi
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Re posts #59, 87, 88 : The question(s) about 'why/intentions' these years-old words were even brought up again was not answered. The context for "shut up" was said in a "speak up or shut up" way; about some repeated mentioning of multiple "secrets" that somehow could not, not, not be posted (revealed!). If there exists one such a secret, why even bother mention it; it no longer is a secret - hence the phrase used. The "get lost" term was used for arguing that it is ok to 'knowingly' ship rkn infected fig plants just b/c rkn is very common - which is not always the case; and everybody knows that rkn should not knowingly be shipped/distributed all over the country. As for damage; it already has been done. Many members have complained already before; about those sudden holes that appeared in many threads that they owned themselves. I prefer email over PM. My email is set up to block/trash mail coming from any person notorious for sending ugly/nasty/vicious emails to other members. I am happy with the way I root my figs.
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Dan_la
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I feel sorry for you and your guilty conscience George....... Dan Semper Fi-cus
The_celt
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Speaking of new jersey George when you do come back are we still on for that Iron Bound area nj portuguese figs? Seems a lot of midle eastern people live near there too. Who knows we may find gm#26 might be better that cddn? Call me when you do get home buddy.
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gorgi
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Re posts #59, 87, 88, 93, 94: I feel sorry for you and for all your narcissistic behavior..... I have nothing/zero/nada bad on my conscience. You should feel guilty for the ugly/nasty/vicious emails that you sent to all other FF members who disagreed with you. You should also feel the guilt for your own selfish act of creating holes in other (innocent) members threads and then going to the GW/FF and blatantly attacking and (falsely) defaming both the F4F forum itself and its members from there. This was the result from one of your rages b/c some member caught you in a pure lie. Good thing I had stayed away, away, away from posting anything in that particular thread. As a matter of fact; privately, I even tried to prevent such a circus from ever happening. In spite of all this, you are now trying to trash other people from here too, as is evident from your post #59; and without any provocation. Who is next? Why do you do this? Is it just to attract some more beloved attention towards your magnificent self? Or is it to impress the newbies and the ladies? (it ain't working!) Or is it so that you can do some more of that self patting on the back? I wonder how often you do visit the mirror, mirror....
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Dan_la
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George I will pray for you.....as you are obviously delusional, jealous, and need professional help. Please continue with your venting and rant for all to see the real you. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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Dan, All can see and it seems you picked the fight with your comments. I don't know you from a can of paint, only reading your posts, but I know George enough to comfortably say he is an honorable man, very humble and very kind. I don't know how or where this started initially but it certainly started in this thread with you. I have read all of your recent posts and it is obvious that you have much to contribute, and you make a point to tell us al just that. Ok but you went over the line here. Perhaps you should add the study of human nature to your fig endeavors.
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I am 100% AGREE with George. Someone else here needs LOTS and LOTS of prays.
Navid.
Anyone don't like what I said, I really don't .....
Dan_la
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I will pray for you too Navid. BLB, I told the truth. Dan Semper Fi-cus