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Rooting Via Baggie Method With Sphagnum Moss

I received a small package with 3 cuttings from a fellow Canadian that took at least 10 days to reach me. The cuttings were kept in a small zip lock bag filled with sphagnum moss and 2 of the cuttings have rooted. The other has initiations. Anyone tried this method in rooting instead of using paper towels?

Rooting WHILE in transit! If that is not good-news, I wonder what is...

Hi Paully,
last season i used sm in a plastic bakery container the brownies were sure good !
Here is a piece of scion i also tried in one of those expandable peat cups that i sometimes use to root roma plum tomato seeds.

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Martin,

That moss in the picture sure looks like brownies, Less the walnuts.

Paully22,

Have to agree with George, Rooting while in-transit is awesome!
Those are some heavy duty cuttings. Keep us posted.

Paully, I also received some cuttings shipped in sphagnum moss but they got here in 3 days. I decided to keep them in the sphagnum to roots. Its been a couple of weeks now and I have just potted up the first one with small roots and the other has swelling initials.

I also have one cutting that I started in a paper towel that started to leaf out before any swelling of root initials.  I have stood it up in a cup with sphagnum with the leaves exposed to air so I can watch its progress.



Hey Paully Rooting in Sphagnum is great I haven't lost one cutting yet this way and it seems to root quicker than in the papertowel Baggie method. I have tried both ways with my last cuttings and the ones in sphagnum have allot more root bumps and one has started to root in under a week.

Oh lately I been trying chopped long fibered Sphagnum with perlite in cups works great too.

Nelson
Is the long fiber moss the same as 'Spanish Moss'?
I asked the nursery guy if he has Sphagnum moss and he said yes. So I bought a bag. In a rush I did not check because the man said it so emphatically that he has it.
When I came home and opened the bag, it had "Spanish moss'" written on it and it has long fibers not looking like Sphagnum moss. I had already opened the bag and it was toooooo cold to drive again in the deep freeze. So I have a bag of "Spanish moss" and am not sure what to use it for now.

Akram im not sure if its the same but it should work just as good. I bought mine at Canadian Tire and it said Long Fibre Sphagnum. Came in a brick

Ottawan,
 
Earlier in the day after reading your post I decided to do a search for Spanish and Sphagnum moss.  Unfortunately I encountered a problem - being very untechnical with computer stuff, I will explain the best I can for the benefit of anyone else who has yet to experience such a happening.   One link I clicked on brought up a warning that my computer was under attack and I needed to download spyware or something.  There was even a window identified as Windows.  I immediately called my computer tech (related) for help.  He said to close all open windows asap.  They wouldn't close by clicking on the red X per his instructions.  I was told to press the Alt key and F4 at the same time to close all open windows.  After that I was told to run my PC-Cillin software to scan for problems.  No 'virus or trojan's' were identified.  The Tech said that if I had downloaded the spyware from the unsolicited windows, it would have most likely installed the 'virus/trojan' I was supposedly being warned about.  Okay, just thought I'd throw that out there.
 
I had done a search a couple weeks ago and read about the differences between sphagnum, New Zealand Sphagnum, Spanish and other mosses.  My husband had picked some stuff up for me at a discount store, it just said floral moss and was not long fiber sphagnum.   I finally located some sphagnum.  That nursery had some from Michigan and also some from New Zealand.  So, then I had three types of moss and decided to experiment. 
 
A little of each was set to soak.  The floral moss looked like what I have often seen in the woods in Missouri.  And it smelled like a fishy stream and had some sticks and leaves in it.  The sphagnum from Michigan was a dark brownish green and had a lot of grass, tiny stems, fibrous roots, leaves, etc. in it.  The NZ moss was soft and lovely with only a rare bit of grass.   One cutting was placed in each type of moss and all three are showing white dots (initials?).  The ones on the NZ moss are the largest, they are also on the largest cutting.
 
The NZ moss was in a smaller package and more expensive than the Michigan sphagnum.  Last Thursday I picked up a large (3.5 cu. ft) bag of sphagnum.  It does not tell where it is from, but it looks and feels more like NZ than the Michigan sphagnum though not quite as 'fancy' as the NZ and has very little 'trash' in it.  I picked it up from a garden supply in Missouri but they also have a website.  http://www.morgancountyseeds.com/  (Search under greenhouse supplies - perlite)  I have done business with these folks for years and have only one complaint, they carry chemicals for garden use and some seeds are treated.  The store was so offensive to my allergies, I could not shop (my first time at the store).  They were very generous and offered to fill my order for me.  I searched the catalog, made my notations and fill it they did.  Gracious folks.  Errol does the website portion, he has a couple fig trees from me.  I didn't get to see him to ask how they are doing.
 
As far as Spanish moss, the sites I read previous to today said that it was for decoration and was not good for rooting and such.  I cannot remember what the dried, bagged stuff looks like compared to true sphagnum.  It is necessary to get very specific if you want true sphagnum.  One florist tried to sell my husband sphagnum peat.  I called and explained to her what I wanted and she finally understood.  Long fiber sphagnum (LFS) is the dried leaf of the live sphagnum moss.  Sphagnum peat is the rotted dead leaf.  It is dark brown and crumbly.  You can see the leaf texture of LFS.  NZ LFS is very soft and lovely and expensive, but worth one experiment!  

Thanks Elizabeth for the thoroughness.
BTW I had similar computer experience (I guess Nov 25) with my laptop and later when I ran 'AVG Free' it identified and fixed two trojans and identified a 3rd one but could not fix it which I guess spiraled to the initialization/boot and after a few days it stopped booting. It was away for fixing for a few days. 

Elizabeth
After your post mentioning 'Floral moss' I realized that last spring I had purchased a bag that I was assured was Sphagnum moss. It looked Sphagnum moss to me but shredded instead of in long fiber state. I searched for the company and the product description (ingredients) of this floral moss and discovered that it is "Sphagnum moss".
 
This Lambert Floral Moss in 10 Qrt bag is produced by a Canadian Company in Quebec and clearly identified as Sphagnum moss in its description (looks shredded type) and has no fishy smell as you mentioned. However I am not sure if the 10 Qrt bag can fill ten 1 Quart pots!
 
Edit: Yes, it smelled a bit fishy when I added water to wet it.  The smell was gone when removed from water a squeezed a bit!

Elizabeth, had similar problem with computer , my son woke me up at midnight saying "dad you better get down her because the computer is crashing.
Course i had to get up at 3:30am to drive the Misses to work. Computer ha a big warning in middle of screen and i tried to reboot and same thing , went to safe mode but it would not go into it it would keep rebooting so i shut down drove this Misses to work wiped computer clean and now bacl to normal , lots of work . Im thinking my son might of had something to do wioth it OR something with emails he and i recieved called JoinTubley which afterwards i recieved one just a short while ago from unknown and deleted, my scanner was off unfortunately yesterday and that wont happen again.

The moss i had used last season and pictured in 1 of the pics here in post is called Long fiber sphagnum moss "musgo sphagnum from Chile, the other picture was just a expandable peat cup.

I had a few invitations to join this "TUBELY" from sources reportedly my relatives & friends. They have all cited no such invitations send. It  got into my email directory & is spawning invites to others even to fig friends. Do not open. I have rejected their invite(TUBELY). My computer is still working to speed. Would send to comp tech to debug after X'mas.

Paully

Hahaha Paully I was going to ask you if you were trying to get me killed lol. I got two or three invites from you.

i saw emails coming around warning about the tubely invites.  i haven't seen any.

well, if it helps anyone, McAfee and Symantec (Norton) have two of the absolute worst antivirus apps out there these days - they've gone to hell in recent years.  i hate shameless plugs, but AntiVir has been nothing short of phenomenal of amazing.  and it's free.  it should be able to protect you from viruses such as that some of you are seeing.  http://www.free-av.com

(this is coming from someone who makes his living in computer security, and has been working in the field for over a decade)

Jason
You posted only 30 minutes late. I just order Norton 360 because of boxing day on line special and because my laptop was taken to intensive care unit after virus hit in the last week of November. I had not seen any good comparison of the PC Protection software so I just went for the special with an old known name in the protection market and did not want to procrastinate for another bout of virus (well I am not sure of that!).

Question to Jason: Can a computer simultaneously use both Norton Anti-virus and free.AV that you mentioned above or will it cause some hiccups or something worse?

Ottawan, We have Norton too but........
Got to consult my aussie connection and see.



Akram,

Take a look at this anti-virus comparison chart of 22 AV programs:

http://anti-virus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

or PC World's chart:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/124475/top_antivirus_software.html

Looks like BitDefender is at the top of both lists. I use Trend Micro but may switch when it's time to renew. It's also less expensive. :-)

Merry Christmas to all! Heading over to Mom and Dad's to help get ready for the afternoon festivities. My sis flys in today and bro will be by about the same time. I'm cooking Cornish Game Hens and wild rice stuffing for dinner. Made a huge lasagna (home made noodles and sauce, 6 cheeses) yesterday for easy weekend meals with the family.

Peace and friendship,
Sue

Ottawan,
its better to use just one a/v program to avoid interruptions and conflicts between two a/v programs.

From what I know, the best free anti-virus programs are : AVG, Avira and Avast.

I use Avast and it's working fine for me. I don't browse a lot though.

I had bitdefender for a few years since that was the program my computer guy recommended.  I now have avast.  It is free for individuals in a non business setting.  We have avast on all the computers in the house.

Lisa

I think Mike covered the question about installing two antivirus apps in the same manner I would have.  His reasoning, in a nutshell, is why I won't run two clients - if I did, I would turn off the "real-time" scanning feature for the one product with the weaker heuristics ("unknown" signature detection).

I am just returning from Florida and checking the forum.  I wanted to add one thing, and Sue, please forgive me if it seems like I'm calling you out or stepping on your toes, that's not what I'm trying to do.  One of my pet peeves is the results you see from sites like those you've mentioned, because they don't do the research, they don't carry out their own experiments, and they don't test in a real-world environment. 

Particularly, toptenreviews.com is a doesn't do a lot of in-depth testing.  I personally don't put a lot of value to what PC World or ZDNet has to say after a decade and a half of reading their "opinion vs. science" approach to reporting, and the fact that their "opinion" can be purchased or swayed based on popularity of sales, which is probably why you'll see the bigger names like McAfee and Norton end up at the top of those lists.  I don't feel these sources have the research or science numbers to back up their findings, and if they do, the numbers are sometimes illogical or twisted, or don't provide the complete picture.

Additionally, some of the things those websites/magazines see as a "bad" characteristic are actually very "good" for some users.  Those sites simply assign a rating like #2 or #8 based on a couple of items, and expect you to accept that you act and operate with the same computer usage they do.  This doesn't work, because no two computer users are the same, nor have the same practices at the same amount.

I would suggest that if you want the most current, most valid information about what Antivirus is the creme of the crop, you should check in with Pallab.net, which is a blog that will summarize and link you out to several of the "labs" (av-test, Virus.gr and av-compare) that do extensive benchmarking and actually shows you the numbers so you can decide for yourself what makes each product worst/better/best.  For example:  http://www.pallab.net/2009/09/29/best-antivirus-top-free-and-paid-antivirus-software-oct-09/

Take that link to see a "shootout" from October '09 between the major free and pay products put side-to-side for comparison.

I believe what you will typically find is that the major name products, like McAfee and Norton, put the most stress on your computer and make it run slowest while offering inadequate protection from "unknown" viruses and malware (variants of existing viruses which are not yet reported).  On average, there are dozens and dozens of new viruses released every day, and sometimes, as with viruses on Facebook, a virus can spread exponentially on the first day it is released into the wild, before your antivirus program has a chance to download the "definitions" file which tells the scanner how to recognize a specific virus.  This is key because you can be infected and infecting others for several days (or weeks) if the unrecognized virus takes over your computer (and shuts down your antivirus).

Avira almost always has the highest scores for detecting unknown viruses.  This does result in a few "false positives", or detection of legitimate files as though they were viruses.  However, I'm of the mentality that this is better, I'd rather be safe than sorry these days, because it's much easier to recover a falsely identified file than it is to cleanup from a virus infection of an undefined virus.  These days, all it takes is one infection a few seconds, and it can shut down your antivirus, and install an army of other spyware/malware on your computer, taking your passwords, or even much more sensitive info, even providing hackers with a backdoor to your system.

But anyway - if you hit the link above, and click on some links in the "Related Posts" section of the blog, you can read dozens and dozens of scientific/research data and see the testing procedures used to make the determinations.  It goes much deeper than what any online magazine would bother with.

Avast is a great product.  AVG was a great product for the longest time also.  Both offer free products to home users.  Avira does the same, but I find it puts the least strain on my computer while providing the strictest results. 

Unless you run a business, there is really no reason to purchase antivirus anymore.  There are too many free options out there which far outrank the major name brands that are "past their prime" at this point. 

But, I think if you're going to pay $40-60 for Norton, you'll find that the web, rootkit, malware and antivirus protection of Avira Premium edition is not only cheaper...but...much better.  And there are definitely numbers to prove it at the more in-depth research sites out there.

As with so many other things out there, there is much opinion to be had with regard to computers and software.  Always take everything with a grain of salt.  If you see someone using "absolute" numbers and rankings, always be skeptical, because there is no such thing for a long period; what worked wonderful and was best ranked 3 months ago, will be obsolete in a few short weeks.  The best example of this is with hardware (Think: Intel vs. AMD over the last 10 years)

Finally, one last remark:  There is no single program out there that will keep your computer safe; it takes 2-3 programs to really give adequate coverage.  There really isn't a one-stop, all-in-one product out there for computer security, it just doesn't exist.  I know you'll see companies that offer "Total internet security", but it's a farce.  There is always some weak point.  I have found the best success in using multiple programs, such as Avira for Antivirus and anti-rootkit, A-Squared or SuperAntiSpyware for spyware and malware protection, and Kaspersky for a soft-firewall solution to limit incoming/outgoing traffic to and from your system, preventing attacks.

But, anyway, I'm rambling.  I'll shut up now.  Computer security is one of my passions in life  ;)

Thanks. Very objective and comprehensive comments.

Very interesting info satellitehead. I will definately have to go over this stuff with my wife since she is the one who's purchased both McAfee and Norton for us in the past.

Also I wanted to point out that, I'm pretty sure, companies such as toptenreviews.com are designed simply to promote products. Granted, they may do SOME testing but their primary focus is to promote digital products for companies such as clickbank. If they sell one of those products via one of their sites then they receive a commission (someone please correct me here if I'm wrong). I'm not faulting them for earning a living this way but only saying that just because a product might be one of the most promoted on the web it doesn't necassarily mean it's the best.

Fortunately there are folks like Jason out there to lend a helping hand. Thank you sir :-)!

I must admit, I know very little about digital products and computors in general (I would refer you to Jason there). But I have done a little research on promoting products for a commission. That's why I stated the above.

Bill. 

Just know that there are good free programs out there, but there are things you should know about them. 

For example, you may need to do with an occasional update or popup advertisement to use it, and it won't provide a full feature set.   I know with Avira's Free edition, every time you successfully connect to update the product and definition files, you'll get a popup with current deals on the product.  For most, this is a minor nuisance when you consider the free protection, hitting ENTER or the Spacebar key will remove it.

Another example - some free versions of antivirus may not offer scheduled virus scans, at one time this is something common of many free antivirus programs (Avira Free DOES allow scheduled scans - thanks, Cecil).  This may not be a problem for most people, because the real-time scanning and pre-boot scanning options will hunt for viruses each time you access, read, or open a file, so it should technically catch any virus prior to it being able to run.  You can always start scans manually.

You may also find that some free antivirus solutions do not offer additional components such as email-scanning, rootkit detection, or web browser security.  All reputable vendors provide a typical 'feature grid' at their website to show you what is available in each version of their product.  Always look for this list before you choose to install the product, so you know waht kind of coverage you have available.

Many lesser-known products can offer better overall protection at a lower rate.  So, whereas McAfee may cost you $50 for their product, something like, say, Avast!, may be only $25. 

You also need to consider "residual costs" - residual costs are the biggest ploy in the computer industry.  You get people to buy your product at a low rate, and need to continue paying for subscriptions every year.  For some products, like McAfee or Norton, you will find a yearly update surcharge.  Other products for home use will NOT have a charge like this.

Biggest example of residual costs in the industry that I can think of:  Printers.  You know that ink-based printer at home?  You know how expensive the cartridges are for it?  Almost none of them are refillable, and it's hard to find generic ones that work.  So, how do printer companies like HP and Canon make money?  Charge $25 for the printer, knowing that a buyer would rather pay less NOW, and also knowing that the buyer will be purchasing $100/year in ink from you, and the printer will die in 2-3 years because you made it so cheaply, so they'll be forced to buy another from you!  Realistically, you could have bought a toner-based printer for $100, and spend $50 every 2nd or 3rd year for toner, and the printer would last 8-10 years.  Much less e-waste in the landfill also, since so very few people e-Recycle these days. 


Oldest trick in the book ;)

Very useful info Jason.

Have you started you own "tech-share4fun" (LOL Jon) forum yet :-)?

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