I found this fig for sale on eBay UK,seller claims it is Rouge de Bordeaux(Pastilliere to US folks).Ive not managed to find many pics of the leaves on the forum, I am questioning whether the leaves look right based on the listings.

Most people here who miss-sell are selling BT as something it's not(or something that isn't BT as BT to make a sale of an unknown) but this doesn't look anything like BT.

Does this look right for Rouge de Bordeaux or is it something else?,if so what are people's thoughts it might be,it's Definately not one I have already so I'm tempted to risk it as the price is reasonably low.

Thoughts?,suggestions?

I have 2 Rouges and 4 Past. Each are fully grown 8 foot tall trees. I can post pics of mine later this week.

I have it too in ground. Will post pics. Mine drops all of its fruit. Needs wasp

Mine do not drop its figs.

Really. Will mine hold its fruit. First year in ground 2 years old

Thanks for the replies guys,Dennis that's much appreciated,the pics I have found so far have all been young trees so leaf pattern I know can differ but yours should be true.Ill hold off making a decision.Rouge de Bordeaux has been grown here for some time and is supposed to do well here,perhaps dropping fruit is a climatic thing?,we will only get Breba here due to the short season,I know there is some discussion as to whether Rouge/red Bordeaux is the same as Pastilliere and there is and Unk.Pastilliere out there too so perhaps more than one variety/strain?.

If the leaves so look right I'll buy it and have to post on progress here to see if it holds its Breba crop.

Richie and figpig,do the leaves look right to you?,if not what else do you think it could be?

Among the many leaf shapes/contours for this cultivar,  the  most representative shape I found for Pastiliere (Rouge de Bordeaux) can be seen here and it's very distinct from all other figs

http://www.planetfig.com/images/pastiliere/600/pastiliere_a_feuille.jpg

From Gustav Eisen's old book you may as well see what he shows... and it looks to match

 
Francisco
Portugal

Hi,
Pastiliere and Rouge de Bordeaux are both French made names. They used one in the South-east and the other in the South-west .
If you're waiting on the breba crop ... you'll be deceived ... Pastiliere is mostly unifera, so no brebas but maincrops.
But, Pastiliere is supposed to be THE early fruiting strain.
Pastiliere is supposed to be THE cultivar for potted culture .
I have Pastiliere.
The leaf is not really so distinctive.
Your leaves look too big for Pastiliere, especially since it is in that tiny pot.
Have you personally seen Pastiliere ripen in the UK ? Does the seller have pics of the mother tree? ripe fruit ?

Mine here this year, showed 10 figs, and as of yesterday, 5 already dropped... for the third year.
She grows damn slowly . 3 new leaves per bud per year ... I may uproot her come Fall and check on the roots to see if something bad is going on on mine.
Well, not a good experience for now . I may toss her someday .
I may try and buy another tree to see if the nursery where I bought just supplied a bad tree.

Lampo,thanks for that,the picture illustrated looks completely different from the young plant which has eleongated deep finger lopes with a bit of a bulbous tip,I have attached a pic from the claimed mother tree and the leaves are a lot less long fingered,I know this could be due to past growth/over fertilising,but looking at the leaves in Eisens book I am now more dubious.

JDSFrance,I haven't seen it ripen but it is often recommended.I don't have pics of the ripe fruit but have added another photo.If I do but it (and now I am less certain) if it does grow that slow I would I think just fertilise the sh*t out of in in the first year and then pinch to see if that makes a difference.I had a BT that did that,fertilised,up potted.pinched and it started pushing out new buds and side shoots.

I was thinking if it's not a Rouge is might be Dalmatie or a Brunswick?,the mother tree(if that's what it is looks different from the plant for sale,could be just because it's young or just because it's a different tree all together

Sellers here really aren't as clued on,you should see the wonderful variety of unknowns sold as BT on eBay,it's madness

These are today's leaves of my potted Pastillière
In my climate they do ripe first main crop figs with no abortions,  with or without wasps, about second week of July or even earlier depending on weather.

 

 

Francisco
Portugal

Francisco,thank you for that,the leaves of ours look close to the supposed mother tree but I am still unsure about her 'babies' the leaf fingers of the young plant are very much longer but the basic shape of the lobes is right,could this just be a case of quick growth looking a bit different or would you say these are different figs?

A friend sent me a Pastiliere cutting. His tree is a Pierre Baud tree, so i have complete confidence on the variety.

The cutting was rooted last year, so no figs yet, but here are the leaves (they seem identical to Francisco's tree)

 

 

 

What is for sale in first post on topic,is Ronde De Bordeauux,which for some people is similar to Rouge de Bordeaux.

Pastilliere is not Rouge nor Ronde de Bordeaux, But a fig of Japanese origin,or at least a Japonicum strain of ficus carica.

Post #15 show ,the true Pastilliere, (Typical) and is exactly what i had ,from US Germaplasm as Pastilliere!.
Also ,Lampo, pix show same cultivar in my opinion.

Jsacadura,thanks for showing the leaves,they are similar to the second picture I posted,that much be some sort of 'stock photo' they found of rouge,the first pic I posted and the actual plant for sale looks different.

Herman,thank you for that,are you positive it is Ronde?,if it is I am DEFINATELY buying it,it's on my wish list,MUCH higher up than Pastillere :)

If you check out eBay.co.uk there are plenty of misslabels,even of things labelled as BT which actually look like Brunswick ,white Marsailles,Dalmatie etc,at least that way I can probably pick up some bargains

Yes,I am sure is Ronde de Bordeaux,i have a couple ,old ones and sold numerous young ones like that tree.

Having just looked at pics of Ronde(Db) especially young plants I think Herman might be bang on the money!,what would us newbies do without her you guys!,thank you Herman,I can buy that one in confidence I'm getting a good fig(and a good deal)

You Welcome!

You know you have a fig problem when your eBay purchases page looks like this

@haslamhulme - At least the prices listed don't seem to be  a skipped heart beat in the making... I have been bidding on a few of the cultivars of desirable / hard to obtain varieties and those numbers reach levels that cause cardiac fibrillations....  :-)

The U.K. Is a totally different market for figs,there are no specialist fig nurseries,there are no collections,no research programmes,and very few people are interested in Figs to the extend you guys in the US are,the most a mature fig tree will go for here is as a specimens tree,fully grown would be about £150.Most 1 year plants sell for £5-10,more mature plants for £15-20,rare desirable imports about £45.I would love to start a fig nursery here,no one is doing it,I do wonder whether I could do it as a full time income,to start with probably not but I'm giving it some serious thought

If I had the money to pack my boring as hell office job in and start a fig nursery I would without a second thought,however a man cannot live on figs alone,I'm from a long line of gardeners and farmers so the desire to go down that route is getting stronger the older and more jaded with office work I get,I'll probably post more on this subject in future,will do a business plan and crunch the numbers

Herman,

>>Pastilliere is not Rouge nor Ronde de Bordeaux, But a fig of Japanese origin,or at least a Japonicum strain of ficus carica.

At least in Europe Rouge de Bordeaux is clearly used as a synonym for Pastiliere (also called Hirta du Japon sometimes).

Even Pierre Baud uses those synonyms in his website:



As for being a fig with a Japanese origin, i have read that could be a Portuguese fig that was taken to Japan when the Portuguese where sailing, "discovering" the world until they reached Japan (probably taking with them some potted fig trees.

http://www.planetfig.com/cultivars/fcveng8586.html

His Portuguese ancestor could be the old fig variety that Francisco showed us in this thread - http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/figo-preto-tempor%C3-%A3o-early-black-6446465?highlight=preto&pid=1278928313