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Round up around figs?

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Originally Posted by WillsC
Harvey,

I read the label......you are 100% correct.  

Read the actual label,
not the harvey c  edited version of the label.

Educate yourself.
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Originally Posted by The_celt
Funny a retired ny cop in nj seems to know more about pesticides in Cali than a commercial farmer?

Funny a grill jockey feels the need to get involved.

I've never been a NYC Law Enforcement Officer.
I also do not live in NJ.

I'm a licensed nursery, own a farm,
licensed pesticed applicator and more.

Aren't you the guy who claims to have"legally" imported fig cuttings
as lumber to resell. Violating federal laws in the process ?
Another upstanding citizen of the community.
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Originally Posted by Darkman
Harvey,

You may not be able convince him although I do not know what else you could do. I tried to cut and paste the sheet but I could not as I don't have a .pdf file editor. Maybe someone who does could do so. It very clearly states for anyone who can read and comprehend the written English language that it is safe for

FIGSand many other fruits, stone fruits and even citrus.


You read harvey c EDITED label.
Read the actual manufacturers label, I posted the link.

IT CLEARLY STATES THIS PRODUCT IS NOT FOR BEARING CROPS

It very clearly states this,
not sure what you read.
Maybe the comprehension problem is with you.

For your amusement, here is the very import sentence
that was conviently left out of harveys post,
you will find this on the manufacturers label.

"+ Non-bearing plants are defined as those that will not bear fruit for at least one year "
Seems pretty clear cut to anyone who can comprehend english.
This product cannot be used on bearing crops,
end of story.
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HungryJack,

I have read the labels.  If you will take a step back from the fight just listen to what I am saying for a second.   Companies that make these products and sometimes tailor the labels for specific uses and users.  In this case you are reading a label that was tailored to ornamental crop growers.  The Label Harvey is using is the agricultural label.....same product.  Read this label..it is not from Harvey so he did not alter it.

http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/deFrankJ/481_2011/Projects_2011/pdf_labels_for_projects_2011/Surflan_oryzalin_08242011.pdf

It clearly states the product CAN be used on bearing crops including figs.  It is right there in black and white.....  Not taking sides it simply is what it is.  If you want to skip to it wait till the link opens then hit ctrl F and a box will open in the top right hand corner and type in the word bearing and will take you right to the line or type in fig and it will do the same. 

Here is the manufactures page....see how the same product has different labels, a specialty and  agricultural?  One is going to state what you said and showed and the other what Harvey said and showed.....


http://www.cdms.net/LabelsMsds/LMDefault.aspx?manuf=111&t=1,2,3,4
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Funny your ip adress says you are after your last rampage using 2 names but one ip?
Also I am a chef 2 Michalin stared.
I have never sold one plant in my years of growing.
my grand father owned some of new jerseys biggest nurseries bobink now davids, bulks nursey, and Shade Now in Allentown nj.
Just saying I am probably more qualified than you just through my genes. Just saying.

I do kind of get a kick out of you spending so much time to bold print certin parts of your statements.

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I've had a pesticide applicator's license for 19 years. Our bi-annual test includes questions on properly reading a sample pesticide label. I've provided a limk to the actual label of the product I'm using but you insist on remainintg ignorant. Sad.

In my quote from an excerpt I've done above I've only changed the font and inserted an arrow so you could see it easier.
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Hungry jack,

Aren't you the same jerk who went after Bass with an assumed name? And when you got called out retreated faster than the French Calvary?

You claim to be a licensed nursery owner. Tell us the name of your business, I'm sure people would love to complete a thorough background check on your operations.

You appear to be the only poison of concern in this conversation.

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Oh my goodness, I started this topic for info on using round up around my figs. And now it seems I have created a place for hate and rudness. To take root. That is not at all what this wonderful forum was created for. Maybe I just need to stay away awhile. Sorry the drama got started, but I have enough sit to deal with at the moment to try and relive gradeschool. Peace out.

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Originally Posted by hungryjack

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Originally Posted by HarveyC
Jack, you are an idiot.  I gave you the link to the the Agricultural label and it clearly states it is for use on non-producing and producing crops like I indicated above.


I'm an idiot, that is your OPINION,
its also your OPINION that herbicide you use is approved for food crops.
We will see how correct your OPINIONS are;

Would you please post the LINK to the information you posted.
What you posted is NOT correct, words have been added to the statement,
and important statements removed, I wonder how that happened.


Here is a link to the ACTUAL MANUFACTURERS LABEL
http://igcusa.com/catalogs/AgriselSurflanPro_label.pdf

Please point out where on this label it states this product can
be used of bearing trees or food crops.
You won't be able to, nor will your know nothing flunkies,
because this product is not approved for that use.
It is for ORNAMENTAL USE ONLY.
Read the label and educate yourself.

What you will find about "bearing crops" is the following
statement on the label :

"+ Non-bearing plants are defined as those that will not bear fruit for at least one year "

You will find that statement right below the list of trees,
same list you posted above, but you neglected to post that line
and added "bearing" trees to the above information, very deceptive of you.

What the above statement means,
is you can treat an orchard that is NOT bearing fruit with this product
You cannot use this product if you plan to HARVEST within a years time.
Meaning its NOT for BEARING crops.
Also means your harvest is not fit for human consumption this year.

Are you aware the active ingredient in this product in a carcinogen in humans ?

Maybe why its not approved for food crops in any way shape or form.
Same reason there are no approved vegetable uses for this product.


Now, who is the idiot ?



You can answer that question yourself to your satisfaction. 

I added no words to the label's statement.  I gave a link to the actual label of the product I use and you refused to read it.  Again, it's at http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld6EB005.pdf manufactured by United Phosphorus, Inc., not the Agrisel product you linked to from a greenhouse website.  http://www.cdms.net is the best source for looking for pesticide labels as it has labels for many sources and forms of the same pesticide name and is often used by our Agricultural Commissioner's officers that enforce pesticide regulations.

If you register with CDMS you can do searches there.

If you prefer, you may search for labels at the Fedral EPA at http://oaspub.epa.gov/apex/pesticides/f?p=PPLS:1 although these are more difficult to read and search through.  I searched for "Surflan" and come up with the following list of products:

Product Name
Approved Date
EPA Reg. No.
Current Status
SURFLAN 0.25 A.S.December 24, 201070506-47Active (DEC 04, 1989)
SURFLAN 75WNovember 24, 201070506-54Active (MAY 14, 1990)
SURFLAN 75W WATER SOLUBLE PACKAGESNovember 24, 201070506-42Active (DEC 04, 1989)
SURFLAN 75WSPNovember 24, 201070506-40Active (SEP 24, 1999)
SURFLAN 85DFAugust 17, 200970506-50Active (DEC 04, 1989)
SURFLAN A.S.May 18, 201070506-44Active (JUN 11, 2003)
SURFLAN A.S.March 12, 201070506-48Active (DEC 04, 1989)
SURFLAN A.S. AGRICULTURAL HERBICIDEMay 18, 201070506-43Active (JUN 11, 1999)
SURFLAN DRY FLOWABLEAugust 17, 200970506-46Active (SEP 14, 1999)

The EPA registration for the product I have used is 70506-43.  Clicking on that link will yield yet more choices.  The most recent label information from 2010 is at http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/ppls/070506-00043-20100518.pdf and on page 10 the label lists various non-bearing and bearing crops, including chestnuts and figs (figs is on page 11 of the pdf).
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After hours of careful research there are

two different products.

Surflan AS Specialty EPA registration number 70506-44

AND

Surflan AS Agricultural EPA registration number 70506-43

BOTH HAVE THE EXACT SAME INGREDIENTS AND AMOUNTS.

The EPA registraion numbers are one digit off. 

The Surflan Pro marketed by Agrisel has the same EPA number as the AS Specialty.

The Surflan AS Agriculture is the only one labeled for bearing trees.

The copyright holder United Phosphorus, Inc. http://www.upi-usa.com list both products with their label sheets and MSDS sheets. http://www.cdms.net/LabelsMsds/LMDefault.aspx?manuf=111&t=1,2,3,4 

What I cannot explain is the difference in labeling and the two different registration numbers.

I hope this will help!
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