Thanks, everyone.
Vladis, I agree, they really look very similar ( maybe the same) with skin and flesh. Additionally, they sometimes have the honey drop, but due to the recent rain, I think it may have dissolved the honey this time. Is it a late producer for you- around the same time as the late bordeauxs ( VdB, Nero 600m, Aubique petite, etc)?
Sas, I haven't heard from her in years. I think she was out in Altoona PA for awhile but was going to move back east? I believe she said she got her Rubado cuttings originally from Sergio, if I'm not mistaken. Wow, that's many "forum generations" ago!