Self-fertile that tastes like Calimyrna?

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RegencyLass

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Posted 1443557075	Reply with quote #1

Is there a self-fertile cultivar that tastes just like a Calimyrna? As in you can't tell the difference between the two in a blindfold test. If not, which one comes the closest to the Calimyrna flavour? __________________ ~RL~ Zone 5 Wish list: Saint Martin, Pastiliere, Panache, Dark Portuguese, Alma, Nero600m, Salce, Vista, Malta Black, Gino, Galicia Negra & Conadria.

pitangadiego

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Posted 1443583245	Reply with quote #2

The short answer is, "no". That was the whole goal of the breeding program at UCR in the 50s, and they were unsuccessful. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

RegencyLass

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Posted 1443584080	Reply with quote #3

Quote: Originally Posted by pitangadiego The short answer is, "no". That was the whole goal of the breeding program at UCR in the 50s, and they were unsuccessful. Waaaah! :'( Is there anything even close to it in flavour that's self-fertile? I don't care about the colour, shape or size. __________________ ~RL~ Zone 5 Wish list: Saint Martin, Pastiliere, Panache, Dark Portuguese, Alma, Nero600m, Salce, Vista, Malta Black, Gino, Galicia Negra & Conadria.

figpig_66

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Posted 1443586749	Reply with quote #4

Preto maybe __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

RegencyLass

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Posted 1443595159	Reply with quote #5

Quote: Originally Posted by figpig_66 Preto maybe Thanks! I'll check into that one. __________________ ~RL~ Zone 5 Wish list: Saint Martin, Pastiliere, Panache, Dark Portuguese, Alma, Nero600m, Salce, Vista, Malta Black, Gino, Galicia Negra & Conadria.

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1443620974	Reply with quote #6

Richie sorry but you are dead wrong. Preto is a dark fig that ripens late and is almost identical to Black Madeira. The pulp is brownish-reddish. It has one of the best flavors I have noted in an unpollinated fig. Calimyrna is totally-I MEAN TOTALLY- different. Calimyrna is a type of Smyrna fig, meaning it will only ripen if caprified by the Blastophaga wasp. Therefore, it only grows and ripens in California. The seeds are very crunchy, and fig newtons are made from Calimyrna figs. The pulp is golden to at times pinkish. The Sierra fig (a common fig) was bred to mimic the Calimyrna but, apparently failed to replicate the flavor. You can try that one, it is in stores now. __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

Greenguy

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Posted 1443621527	Reply with quote #7

Is not orphan supposed to be the closest Cian __________________ wish list pananas purple, i258, any type of mutation

lampo

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Posted 1443625729	Reply with quote #8

One important ingredient to build the unique taste, sweetness and flavors of the pollinated figs,be they fresh/ripen or dry, is the fig seed kernel, a sort of minuscule almond you chew and melt in your mouth with the fig pulp, syrups and jellies on both the fresh or the dried fruit. That tasty kernel paste , a sort of marzipan, will only be present on Smyrna types, main crop San Pedro or pollinated Commons. Non pollinated figs will not be developing any kernel inside the seed envelope and although such seeds are there, they are just empty shells with no particular taste or flavor Along the Med basin, rural communities would stock the dry figs, mostly Smyrna, for consumption during the winter time and to enhance the fruit flavors these figs are subject to a light roasting in their clay ovens just after the bread is baked. Layers of roasted figs having in between some bay leaves, fennel and a few carob leaves..were stocked inside chestnut cases for the cold months. Francisco Portugal

RegencyLass

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Posted 1443636201	Reply with quote #9

Thank you for the explanation, Francisco. So basically, when one integral component is missing, the taste simply cannot be reproduced. And as Smyrna figs won't produce here, I'll have to be content with one of the hundred(s) cultivars that do. So is there a cool-hardy fig that has a more figgy taste than fruit or berry? Whilst I like raspberries, grape, etc., I don't wish that to be the flavour I taste when I bite into a fig or in a traditional fig recipe. __________________ ~RL~ Zone 5 Wish list: Saint Martin, Pastiliere, Panache, Dark Portuguese, Alma, Nero600m, Salce, Vista, Malta Black, Gino, Galicia Negra & Conadria.

lampo

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Posted 1443642246	Reply with quote #10

RL, I am not keen on that particular subject (cold hardy figs) My region is sort of semi-desertic equivalent to zone 11 (on US hardiness standards), It never snows and average minimum temps on the 40/50ish F. Long hot and very dry summers, close to sea shores with lots of Sun..rather low relative humidity. I would say that the Bordeaux, Hardy Chicago, Dalmatie are good options for your climate and with great genuine fig flavors. Surprisingly, as far as I am concerned, Preto and BM, being originated in much warmer climates seem to be doing quite well (with adequate protection of course) in much colder regions Certainly other members will give you far better advice based on actual experience, growing their figs in areas similar to yours. Whatever one may feel on the palate, the predominant flavors of all edible Ficus Carica shall always be figgy, more or less acidic and complex.. but figgy! Francisco Portugal

Herman2

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Posted 1443654426	Reply with quote #11

My 2 Cents:There are many cultivars that taste much better than Calimyrna cultivar,really, many cultivars do,but,their interior is Dark red usually,not amber ,light pink like Calimyrna so ,they were not accepted by the food market for ,making fig newton for their dark paste. Figo Preto Madeira black ,Italian 258,Col de Dame(all colors),Vasilika Sika,Ischia Black,and a few others caprified or not,are way superior to Calimyrna figs , in taste and flavor. What they did not have was :Amber interior!.

RegencyLass

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Posted 1443677532	Reply with quote #12

Thanks everyone!!! You all are the reason why I LOVE this forum!!!! <3 __________________ ~RL~ Zone 5 Wish list: Saint Martin, Pastiliere, Panache, Dark Portuguese, Alma, Nero600m, Salce, Vista, Malta Black, Gino, Galicia Negra & Conadria.

GRamaley

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Posted 1443819414	Reply with quote #13

One thing I'd like to bring up, "self fertile" is wrong, they just produce edible figs without pollination. They don't produce any viable seeds. __________________ Gloria --------------- 7a, maybe 8

brianm

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Posted 1443827508	Reply with quote #14

Fresh calimyrnas are super. They are sweet like sugar and very large. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra,UC Davis Black Ischia, Maltese Raven

jdsfrance

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Posted 1443855989	Reply with quote #15

Hi GRamaley, I've got some reading for you here : http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/fig-pollination-myth-kill-6717719?highlight=myth+kill&pid=1286833190 Parthenocarpic fig trees ( commonly named self pollinated ) do produce viable seed. They are just fewer, hence not the same strong nutty taste. As of now, I'm left with one treeling from that test. It is 2 years old with no dormancy (kept inside), and no signs of figlets for now. __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

fighugger

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Posted 1443865796	Reply with quote #16

Hi JDS, Supr interesting seedling project. __________________ Michael The Fighugger Z8, Western Europe coastal climate like PNW. In other words, Breba-country. Wishlist: Yellow Yugo/Serbian Yellow and any other fig variety that carries a high number of breba figs to maturity without pollination by the fig wasp. Yellow Neches, Becane (might be the same) and any other main crop fig variety, that ripens earlier than Ronde de Bordeaux

Herman2

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Posted 1443894890	Reply with quote #17

JDS:Your seedling from,a Parthenocarpic fig,should be very close to mother tree,because it was not crossed with a caprifig. It is rare but it happen,that a few seeds on a tree to be alive and produce new seedlings ,same as mother,in quality. That is why when discuss fig tree ,no one can be always correct because there are so many exceptions to the rule. Thanks for your work of experimentation.

jdsfrance

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Posted 1443908759	Reply with quote #18

Hi Herman2, Thanks. There was a theory were parthenocarpic seedlings are all smyrna ... I'll see if she turns out to be a dropper in my Zone7. Just to let you know, this year my fig trees even went wilder ! I found two seedlings -presence of the cotyledons- growing wild in the garden. One under my Pastiliere -last year a sparrow damaged one of the figs- and one near my "green longue d'aout" ( I threw some late ripe fruits). I never thought that this could happen in a Zone7 climate - but here, last winter was sort of mild though . One at least will take the winter outside, and I'll see if a seedling can handle it ... perhaps with a bit of protection ... I'll see ... Funny enough, the leaf of the seedling of glda is so far consistent to the mother tree . That does not seem to be the case for my ufti seedling. __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

Jsacadura

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Posted 1443920488	Reply with quote #19

jdsfrance, Usually, there are no hard rules in nature and we can always find exceptions. In some cases parthenocarpic figs can produce some viable seeds - a not very common and well documented process called apomixis, known in plants as Agamospermy. That means we can say all parthenocarpic figs always have some viable seeds? I don't think we can make such a generalization. __________________ Jaime - Zone 9b - near Caldas da Rainha - Portugal Wish List: São Luís, Valamandil, Sofeno Tradicional, Cótio, Cavaleiro, Belmandil, Coll de Dame de Ciutat, Strawberry Verte, Marabout, Sihagi.

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