I agree with both and all, am I politically correct?? The reason I say this is because I believe there are other factors involved. Take for instance, I have received about 40 bare root plants shipped to me in Dec2013 and Jan2014 and they have grown a lot since arrival. My Encanto (just measured) is 6foot, Trojano 5foot, Ventura 5foot, Salce(Mario's) 5 foot, Adriatic Verdone 5foot, a few more 4-5 foot all the rest 2-4 foot and never lost one plant. If I knew enough about pine bark fines mix back then, I believe they would even be much larger, they are in heavy low drained potting soil right now. They will be repotted as soon as I get more pine bark fines, and I am air layering some right now. Not bad progress for bare rooted plants.