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Single lobe leaf - NEW INFO ADDED

I have never seen a fig tree that had single lobe leaves until an unknown I had been given broke dormancy and all the leaves are large single lobe leaves.  I have not seen the figs so this is all I have to go on at the moment, Yes I know pictures of the fig and pictures of the leaf will help ID but if you know of single lobe leaf figs please let me know.

I have just been told that the figs are golden brown and has drops of honey, smallish in size but extremely sweet.

http://www.raysfigs.com/id-figs.html

The Chart on Ray's site comes from Condit's 1941 article in Hilgardia, "Fig Characteristics Useful in the Identification of Varieties".

Hamma (which I've never heard of except here) has the leaf 'entire'. How old is your tree? Could be your leaves will differenciate as the tree ages.

Leaf entire
base truncate--Hamma (A)
Leaf palmately lobed:
Base decurrent--Ischia (B)
Base truncate--Alma or Stanford caprifig (C)
Base cordate:
3-lobed--Constantine (D)
5-lobed, lobes spatulate--Calimyrna (G)
Base calcarate:
Lobes latate--Mission (E)
Lobes lyrate--San Piero (F)
Lobes lineate--Brunswick (H)

"Decurrent" - base runs down stem.
"Truncate" - base/stem form right angle.
"Cordate" -shaped like valentine heart.
"Calcarate - base forms an acute angle with stem.

Leaf entirebase truncate--Hamma (A)

I am asking for examples of figs with this leaf configurations


The Negronne over here in europe has often single lobed leaves almost like an mulberry. 
Original source is Baud, France.

When i came to f4f i was wondering that most of the VdB that many of you see as Negronne looks so much different than Negronne over here with leaves almost like a Ronde de Bordeaux...

But the "american" Negronne and "european" Negronne has pretty much the same fruit...its only the leaves.
Maybe that is that is a progression or a mixing of the strains?
I am not an expert on that...

If wanted i can make pictures of my Negronne leaves.

leave of baud's Negronne in his book definitely looks different from VdB which most of us consider same as Negronne. but it seems there are also few different source of VdB going around. 

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leave of baud's Negronne in his book definitely looks different from VdB which most of us consider same as Negronne. but it seems there are also few different source of VdB going around. 


Pete,
but what makes me still wonder is, that those sources are obviolsly only overseas.
When i checked several fig selling nurseries in France, Switzerland and Germany i only found the description of those mulberry styled leaves. Also the syn. VdB i didn't find over here.

I already had been thinking about doing a whole thread to that VdB/Negronne difference between new world/old world.

Here are some leaves of my little Negronne:

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Hey Christian, those look like the juvenile leaves on my Flat Black Madiera.

number of different fig will have that sort of leaves when young. i have few showing single lobe leaves right now. but i know it will change in future. my Barnissotte from USDA/UCD was cut in half and i rooted both. top half has all 3 lobe leaves, but the bottom half has leaves just like yours. also, JHA and Calvert have similar leaves.

but i haven't seen leave like that on VdB. but like i said, not sure what is considered true VdB. i would assume one at USDA/UCD. does anyone have pix of USDA/UCD VdB leaves?

A fig friend told me his mature Negronne has also many single lobe leafes, but no leave that has as many fingers as RdB.

So in my opinion, Negronne as it's known for hundreds of years over here in Europe and especially France is not the same as your American Violette de Bordeaux. It is of the same dark-fig family like Ronde de Bordeaux or Petite Negri, but not the same as Negronne...the leaves are not even similar. 

Christian - looks almost like mine except the my leaves are wider (more rounded)  the figs are a golden brown color.  I have not seen a fig yet, I am told that this tree was about 5 yrs old when it was given to me late last fall.  I think the key to this discussion is the fig color which would lead one to not think it is a VDB.

Alma?

My Afghan-A and Caucasus 3 have single lobbed leaves, but they are dark figs.

Alma is half Hamma, right? Some of the "improved" Celestes (not O'Rourke) have a tendency to be more single lobed (maturing with some variation), too. 

My Armenian also has nothing but single lobes but very large leaves, I am assuming it will change as the branch matures.

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