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Single node cuttings experiment

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Originally Posted by MGorski
That's a benifit to running a MH or HPS light in the winter, heat. If you can run it at night, even better as temperatures drop. Mike in Hanover, VA


After a trial period I may do that.  Trial as in the light/ballast.  Two ballasts, five 1000W MH bulbs and one 1000w HPS bulbs were given to me four years ago by a local fella and have sat in my garage ever since.  I'm not sure about the safety of them.


More addition to the experimenting.  These are the last of Unk Lake Spur, cut into single node, ends dipped in food grade cheese wax.  A thin layer of potting mix with worm castings was leveled onto the bottom of the container and the cuttings laid on...

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Then they were covered with a leveled layer of mix and more cuttings added.  

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These were all just covered loosely and not packed at all, no extra water, lid of container on and into the dark closet of the bright room.  No different really than cuttings in moss, method-wise I guess, other than being biologically active with fresh castings.  FIGure the roots will be easy to see from the bottom when they start and then they will all get put into pots, well, the ones that make roots.  Maybe none of them will make roots. Maybe they all will or some might lol.    


Worm castings are great, are these purchased or do you have a worm bed? Good luck, I hope it works, I want to try too.

Mike in Hanover, VA

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Originally Posted by MGorski
Worm castings are great, are these purchased or do you have a worm bed? Good luck, I hope it works, I want to try too. Mike in Hanover, VA


These are worm castings I purchased from Larry Hall to try them out.  There's a link to his shop in my recent blog post at the end, very well done castings and great deal.  I do keep a few worms. At one time had very many that got washed away in a flood.  Need to ramp it up with all these fig trees on the way.  

Have been sifting a wood chip pile and piling it up in the back yard for them to get going really good for next year.  My yard is full of georgia jumpers, a native that really like old wood chips and a few european night crawlers.

I also keep a few in this homemade vermi tumbler, worm bin and casting harvester hybrid...

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The thing works pretty good as long as you don't fill it too full and keep it tumbled about once a week. Wheel barrow under and give it a few rotations. If I were to make another it would have a better way to tumble, some hand-holds or something.  Totally does away with the need to handle bedding to get the castings and aerates the bedding.  



Are your worm casting sterilized?   I used my own(worms') castings as an ingredient in a potting mix that I did some rooting in last year, and believe that was the source of the nematodes that ruined a batch for me.   Cuttings started rooting, then fizzled out and I saw numerous white, threadlike worms getting into the cambium layer of the cuttings.   I'm keeping it sterile this year!   

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Originally Posted by zone5figger
Are your worm casting sterilized?   I used my own(worms') castings as an ingredient in a potting mix that I did some rooting in last year, and believe that was the source of the nematodes that ruined a batch for me.   Cuttings started rooting, then fizzled out and I saw numerous white, threadlike worms getting into the cambium layer of the cuttings.   I'm keeping it sterile this year!   


No, I would never use sterilized castings.  That would be fairly pointless except for possibly some soluble nutrients left after sterilization. Enchytraeids, or pot worms are usually the little white worms associated with compost and worm bins and usually mistaken for nematodes.  They aid in the decomposition process by processing rotting material.

Healthy worm castings contain nothing harmful to living plant matter.  To venture a "guess", I would guess there was another issue with your cuttings dying and the pot worms were just doing what they do.  


I used to raise worms also, and there certainly is a lot of life feeding on the organic matter. My castings were always very dense, never nice and light like the purchased product. I imagine this was due to the type of bedding, usually leaves and rabbit manure, and a diet primarily of kitchen scraps. The resulting castings made a great tea, but not too good for creating a fluffy, airy propagation mix.

Mike in Hanover, VA

I have 2 questions.

1. SO, to make a warm casting all I have to do is collect few types of rainworms into a container and start feeding them? I see those jumpers all over my backyard and I see calmer ones too.
2. What type of feeding makes a fluffy casting?
 Edit: Actually don't answer it here since this thread is for Charlie's single node cuttings. I am starting a new thread on this subject.

I wish I'd seen this single node post before I tried to root my Atreano cuttings!  I had four cuttings of about 6 to 8" long, with closely spaced nodes.  Wasn't getting anywhere with them in a ziplock bag, so I finally just stuck them in some plastic cups with cactus mix, crossed my fingers and hoped for the best.  I'm finally seeing a tiny leaf bud on one of the cuttings, two months later...

I took a few cuttings from my Mission tree in September, and the node spacing was pretty long.  I cut each one in half, and they've rooted successfully.

  • Rob

Charlie, was wondering about your post #28 above where you have over 100 one node figs in the same container with mix.  Isn't that going to be a nightmare to separate the things, assuming they root?  I find it difficult enough when I do a dozen or two so in sphagnum moss.  They normally will send roots straight out so they are going to be tangled like crazy. 

It's a cool experiment, just wondering what you are trying to accomplish.  Do you really want to have over 100 of the same variety?  Or do you just want a few?  Or is it just a scientific curiousity.  I would think that you could have made 50 two node cuttings and have a better success rate overall.

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Originally Posted by Rob
Charlie, was wondering about your post #28 above where you have over 100 one node figs in the same container with mix.  Isn't that going to be a nightmare to separate the things, assuming they root?  I find it difficult enough when I do a dozen or two so in sphagnum moss.  They normally will send roots straight out so they are going to be tangled like crazy. 

It's a cool experiment, just wondering what you are trying to accomplish.  Do you really want to have over 100 of the same variety?  Or do you just want a few?  Or is it just a scientific curiousity.  I would think that you could have made 50 two node cuttings and have a better success rate overall.


Figured everybody who wanted the  Unk Lake Spur had some and had several leftovers. There are a bunch buried out back in the wood chip pile also and I want to see if they will do anything, providing they survive winter and hopefully sprout in spring.  Not wanting to just toss them out, this seemed like a worthy experiment.  There is some reasoning method to it though so I will try to explain.

The day before I did the 100 in individual bowls.  Not able to see any rooting in styro bowls, I put a very thin layer of mix in the sterilite container bottom, one, to hold the cuttings with the nodes up (don't know why) and two, so when roots do start I will be able to see them right away and get them potted before they tangle.  This should also be a good indicator of there being roots in the 100 styro bowls, at which time I will remove the foil so light can hit the buds on those cuttings.

Do I really want a hundred of one variety?  Not especially.  Curiosity? Overwhelming always.  Success rate will be of great interest to me since I just discovered for myself something that works and no mold.  What if they all survive?  Doubtful but with this many and of different varieties with the bowl 100, I should get a worthy indication of the methodology success. 

I'm certainly no scientist.  Most of the things I do make no sense at all to anyone.  If I get a hundred unk Lake Spur out of this deal then I will find somewhere to put them.

Unk Lake Spur is a mystery it seems.  I wasn't able to get a ripe fig or even see one.  Have gotten busy and not been back out there to visit the new home owner.  What if it turns out to be a really great variety?  I will have a bunch of trees already growing!  If it sucks then I will have a bunch of useless fig trees, except for the leaves which I love the tea made from and most of the folks I have shared it with.

Yes I think I'm a bit fig crazy.  Will it ever subside?  

Charlie... FOREST !! :)

So far so good.  Since installing the metal halide I'm having to get a watering schedule figured out.  That coupled with the ceiling fan on constantly sure dries everything out fast. Thinking of an indoor rggs or similar.  Wife is adjusting well lol.

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Was watering with a spray bottle now have a pump-up three gallon with a trigger wand.  Much better.




Six days we have roots!  The cups were removed but the foil covers went back on after a light watering.  

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These are Atreano and Deanna.  Lots of others showing roots also.  No roots showing in sterilite container yet.


Atreano is also the first of these to sprout leaves.  Many more have greening buds.

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Six days for the Atreano to root?  Awesome!  Mine took a month.

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Originally Posted by joann1536
Six days for the Atreano to root?  Awesome!  Mine took a month.


Yes I was pretty shocked to see those.  After that the foil covers were removed and I have been spraying each bowl daily to keep the surface moistened.  It is dry to about 1/4 inch depth in 24 hours under the metal halide and ceiling fan.

I found Atreano to be really sensitive to overwatering.  Yours look great so far!

Actually the bowls are fairly dry down deeper but still damp.  

During this experiment I have noticed something about watering.  With the first buried cutting which was Armenian, up to a point it was kept just barely damp, put out a couple of leaves and then just kind of stalled out for several days.  It wanted water so it seems.  Gave the pot a good soaking and within a couple of days it has doubled leaf size and is putting on new ones.   So seems there is a fine line between keeping just damp for starting and then ramping up the water.  We'll see how it goes with these as they get a few leaves on.

I notice a few roots now in the sterilite container with all the Unk Lake Spur.  Something to do this weekend.  

Just scored a free source of rabbit poop.  Happy dance lol.   

Free Poop. The only way it could be better is if they delivered.

Charlie,
Are you going to apply the Rabbit manure directly into the pots or make tea out of it? I have never used manure and I hear they can be too strong or active, as they sometimes call it, and might burn the tender plants.

This batch went into the vermi tumbler after a harvest of castings.  By Spring it will be worm poop.

Surface watering the bowls twice a day with the sprayer.  I never would have thought things would dry out so quickly.  Room temp running about 85 F while freezing outside.  There are 50 more bowls with single nodes under the foil.  Saw a gnat a few days ago and put up the sticky tape.  It's stuck on the center one. :)

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Atreano leafing...

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Armenian doubled in growth since increasing water.  Unk Lake Spur in the background...

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A gift Dalmatie from a very generous member.  OT lol

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Some more budding taking place in the bowls.  All are single node except Deanna.

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They look good Charlie.

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