Single node cuttings experiment

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Charlie

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Posted 1417878160	Reply with quote #101

Was thinking I may just leave all those cuttings in the container for awhile and see what happens. Don't reckon anybody ever did that on purpose. Had a moment of imagination where all of them fused together and made a big gnarly looking fig bush. There are a few traditional cuttings being done along with these. They were also waxed ends and no humidity covers. They are watered along with the single nodes in like manner. Looks like they are starting to bud swell some but noticeable shrinking of their tops. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

COGardener

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Posted 1417880179	Reply with quote #102

Ok, a mixed gnarled tree... that is quite the idea! I like it, personally I'd go with that. I would let the root mass completely intertwine then gingerly move the bunch into a large pot. You could start a while new thread. .. "mix gnarled tree" lol

can_smokva

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Posted 1417890353	Reply with quote #103

Charlie, If you do find the time and are willing to make an effort to separate them, do it ASAP. Otherwise it will become impossible and you will regret. I had multiple cuttings this close but all were upright. It was impossible to separate the, so I cut roots with knife. They were all shocked and the growth was stunned for the rest of the season. Good luck and keep up great work Damir

Charlie

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Posted 1417906711	Reply with quote #104

Quote: Originally Posted by can_smokva Charlie, If you do find the time and are willing to make an effort to separate them, do it ASAP. Otherwise it will become impossible and you will regret. I had multiple cuttings this close but all were upright. It was impossible to separate the, so I cut roots with knife. They were all shocked and the growth was stunned for the rest of the season. Good luck and keep up great work Damir It's not time and willingness I lack, but space for all one variety I really know nothing about far as fig quality. I have twelve of this variety in their own pots already and can get more. No regrets and thanks for sharing your experience. Newbies should not do this with highly desirable figs or anything I do currently for that matter lol. I really don't know where any of this will end in success or failure. When figs are harvested I will feel safe to say it worked, and hope they taste good. :) __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

Charlie

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Posted 1418003667 · Edited	Reply with quote #105

Meet some of the newcomers along with a shocking Magnolia update... With the ceiling fan out of action a small fan was set into the room across the hall to blow cool air in, helps much. Without air directly hitting the bowls, watering has been cut to once daily. Probably a blessing the fan quit. Have been waiting on two varieties, Petite Negri budswell today and LSU Gold budswell a couple days ago, out of the 11/01/14 bunch to say I have at least one of every variety of that group budding or already leafing. A few as you can see from the pics are from the 11/16/14 bunch and several more of them are budding. The bowls started out with varieties lined up together, now they are all mixed up. The left side of the room being furthest from the light is where slowpokes are put while ones that show budswell are moved to the center/right of the room for more light. Magnolia...have five of them leafing out nicely but the one above is the fullest so far. If you look close at it, lower left you will see some nice roots crawling across the surface. In another week or three we should have a nice green carpet. :) Edit: Forgot to say, the bowl group of 11/16 is a much more coarse and light mix than 11/1. I took what super soil and worm castings mix I had left and mixed it in a wheelbarrow full of mix that was used for planting in the wire pots during summer. It was peat, generic potting soil with composted cow manure, some old compost I have sitting around, couple hands full of pelletized limestone and several pounds of crushed oyster shell. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

rcantor

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Posted 1418021146 · Edited	Reply with quote #106

Sell them on ebay in the Spring when each one is ready to be up potted from a 12 or 16 oz cup. You can retire in 6 months. I'd buy some. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

COGardener

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Posted 1418341912	Reply with quote #107

No update for 4 days, Charlie you must be overwhelmed with fig duty.

Hershell

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Posted 1418342714	Reply with quote #108

I think when Bob said sell them on eBay he went into shock. __________________ Hershell Zone 8. Ray City, Ga.

COGardener

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Posted 1418342868	Reply with quote #109

Quote: Originally Posted by Hershell I think when Bob said sell them on eBay he went into shock. Hershell, you made me laugh out loud!!!

Charlie

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Posted 1418348613	Reply with quote #110

Sorry been swamped at work doing inventory after closing. You guys are a hoot haha! Well ok an update. Nothing has died that swelled a bud. Many of the ones from 11/1 which were thought to be duds are starting to show life. I think it's going to turn out very well at this rate. One stubborn Atreano refuses to keep more than one leaf. It's the largest single leaf of all the Atreano. Two leaves seem to have just fallen off. Maybe it was the mouse. Oh ya'll don't know about the mouse event. There was a mouse in the figdom. It got stuck between some wood and a flying steel spring. No more mouse in the figdom. The bright room has officially changed its name to the figdom. None of the Celeste without wax are showing yet Bob. Wait... I think I do see a bit of green. Tomorrow will tell better. The last bunch of bowls done on 11/23 where the cuttings were completely buried under approx. a quarter inch of mix... A couple of Unk Cirini are poking up as well as one RdB and one Chicago Hardy. Some other members now have a few single node cuttings. I realize not everyone has the heart to chop their cuttings up into one eye wonders so I sent them ready made. Looking forward to their reports. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

Charlie

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Posted 1418352560	Reply with quote #111

Four more of this one... :) __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

coop951

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Posted 1418353565	Reply with quote #112

Charlie Just loving this thread and the wonderful photos.. Can't wait to see a Dominick in there. Keep them coming __________________ Coop Northern NJ Zone 7a

Charlie

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Posted 1418379794	Reply with quote #113

Thanks Coop I plan to do some this weekend. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

garden_whisperer

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Posted 1418386868	Reply with quote #114

As I said before Charlie very inspiring. When cutting my twigs down to 3 node sections I ended up with a few one and two node guys I am going to try out. Some green wood some hard wood. I don't have wax of any sort but will give it my all. __________________ Dave Zone 6b Illinois "Be the change you wish to see in the world"

Charlie

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Posted 1418387902	Reply with quote #115

Doesn't look like wax is necessary, at least on this one. Six of ten unwaxed Gloria's Celeste with bud swell this morning. Here's a couple of them... That's among the fastest of all varieties showing bud swell. Waxed BM, CdDG, CdDB and Mead started on the same day are also showing good bud swell. Wax on, wax off? Guess it doesn't matter. Sure save a lot of time not waxing. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

COGardener

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Posted 1418398280	Reply with quote #116

Are any of the waxed Celeste showing bud swell? Still loving your thread Charlie, I'm getting anxious waiting to catch up with you. I haven't looked at the unknown Carini from Frank for a few days, I suspect they be starting swell now or in the next couple days. Keep the pics coming!

waynea

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Posted 1418406617	Reply with quote #117

This is an amazing thread Charlie, truly amazing.

Charlie

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Posted 1418434594	Reply with quote #118

Thanks Wayne Scott there are no waxed Celeste. Here's Frank's Cirini leafing... A few others... Had to toss this one in for kicks. A multi-node Deanna I had among the slow pokes. It's one of a few multi-nodes that had too close of spacing to cut into singles or so was my thinking at the time. Goes to show they don't always sprout where we may think they ought to. Some views of the figdom... The slow poke group in bowls. Cups are 11/29/14 group... __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

Frankallen

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Posted 1418435122	Reply with quote #119

Great Job Charlie ! You sure have showed me something! Thanks for all the post and photos! :) __________________ Frank from Bama- Zone 7-b Alabama .................................................... "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever". Mahatma Gandhi

Charlie

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Posted 1418510042	Reply with quote #120

Added four new varieties today, I-258, Dominick Heirloom Italian, Unk Peachy and Unk Orangeburg Purple, with a bit of something different. I notice the emerging stem has to curve in order to straighten up. I don't really like that for some reason and want them to start off straight and grow straight up from the start. So today's batch were all set in at an angle. This also sets the lower part of the cutting considerably deeper. More stem can be left on below the node and may help rooting. May not? Don't know. Should add some safety margin if a watering happened to be missed, versus cuttings buried shallow horizontal. A small flour scoop was used to fill the cups along one side and lightly press an angled wall for the cutting to lean on, then filled to the top, leveled and watered. Some nodes are barely exposed and some are barely covered after a little settling from watering. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

GRamaley

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Posted 1418511067	Reply with quote #121

Hmm I wonder where those came from.... must be Fig Saturday at the post office. __________________ Gloria --------------- 7a, maybe 8

Mario_1

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Posted 1418511113	Reply with quote #122

Good idea! I will try it, I like my plants to grow strait also __________________ Wallingford CT, USA zone 6a would be happy to meet and get together with other members near me Wish list; Any fig from any specific place anywhere in Italy

Charlie

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Posted 1418511414	Reply with quote #123

Quote: Originally Posted by GRamaley Hmm I wonder where those came from.... must be Fig Saturday at the post office. Haven't checked the mail today Gloria, these wandered in through the week and I have been too busy and tired to do much. Today is play day. Think I'll build a nice fire in the back yard and sit by it for awhile. :) __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

Otmani007

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Posted 1418514958	Reply with quote #124

Nice addition to your ever growing collection and thanks for the update, Charlie. __________________ Dallas, TX - Zone 8a Wish List: Col de Dame Blanche, Brogiotto Bianco, Sicilian White, Panache Otmani

paully22

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Posted 1418580668	Reply with quote #125

You are d MAN Charlie. Congrats. I have had minimal success with it but would try it this season. Do keep us posted on any new do's and don'ts. Thanks for all the info.

Charlie

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Posted 1418641747	Reply with quote #126

Some pics from last night... :) __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

ChrisK

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Posted 1418647391 · Edited	Reply with quote #127

Wow very nice pics Charlie! Thanks for sharing them and the cuttings you sent Me! I will start my single nodes asap and let you know how it goes. Thanks again for your generosity!!!!! PS I wander who gets that Breba fig? Lol __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

Charlie

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Posted 1418647714	Reply with quote #128

Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisK Wow very nice pics Charlie! Thanks for sharing them and the cuttings you sent Me! I will start my single nodes asap and let you know how it goes. Thanks again for your generosity!!!!! PS I wander ho gets that Breba fig? Lol Thanks Chris and you're very welcome. I pass the thanks on to the other members who supplied the cuttings. I hope they do well for you! I'm leaving the breba on as long as it will, just to see what happens. There are a few other Mead without so it will be a cool experiment. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

ChrisK

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Posted 1418649973	Reply with quote #129

MBVS single node cuttings placed in a zip lock bag wrapped on paper towel on12/12/14 late pm! They are placed in a small plastic clear container lined with a kitchen towel ,to protect from direct heat,on top of the modem! Temp ,directly above the container,75 F when the computer is on! I got similar roots showing on Atreano and Emerald strawberry! Feels like Christmas already!!!!!;) Attached Images image.jpg (491.51 KB, 61 views) __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

figherder

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Posted 1418658432	Reply with quote #130

Charlie you have been blessed with a green thumb for sure. I know it doesnt happen by itself though and there's a lot of work in there. Congrats on your success with these thus far. By spring I imagine your figdom will be quite a jungle :). __________________ Jeff in zone 5b Wish list St rita,Vista,Sal's G,De la Reina, preto, Sport and pops purple red from Bellaclare, Planera Malta Black, Navid Unk Dark Greek,

COGardener

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Posted 1418662991	Reply with quote #131

Charlie, Are you running a humidity source in the figdom? Since most of us use a humidity bin, is it a humidity room?

donpaid

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Posted 1418665360	Reply with quote #132

It looks like they respond very well to that soil mix. They all look so vigorous! Awesome job Charlie!

Charlie

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Posted 1418693763	Reply with quote #133

Quote: Originally Posted by COGardener Charlie, Are you running a humidity source in the figdom? Since most of us use a humidity bin, is it a humidity room? No it's just a room in our home. Was wondering a couple days ago what the humidity is in here since we're evaporating close to 2 gallons of water daily. Since the ceiling fan went out the only air movement is from a small fan across the hall blowing cool air in at floor level to force the hot air out at the upper level, seems to be working well enough. The only cuttings to ever be covered in any sense of the conventional humidity bin are the Unk Lake Spur when they were first started, in a big tote and the 11/01 group which were covered with cups for a couple of days at their beginning. Ever since then there have been no covers or bins or totes. Just daily watering. There are also some traditional multi-node cuttings in here in cups and they are starting to bud and leaf. They are also not covered. I'm not going to say humidity covers are not necessary but for this scenario they are not. I'm not scientific enough to say this or that for certain, it's just working. Fact is I did not expect nearly this sort of success. Maybe 50% was what I was hoping for. There are over 200 bowls/cups in here and only 35 are not budding yet but many of them have roots I can see on the surface. Thanks everyone for the comments and show of support. Means a lot to me to do something positive and contribute to fig lovers. I hope some more folks can do this as well and find it works for them also. Not much to burying some sticks and watering them now and then. :) __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

ChrisK

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Posted 1418694030	Reply with quote #134

Hey Charlie! What is the temp in that room? __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

Charlie

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Posted 1418694068	Reply with quote #135

Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisK MBVS single node cuttings placed in a zip lock bag wrapped on paper towel on12/12/14 late pm! They are placed in a small plastic clear container lined with a kitchen towel ,to protect from direct heat,on top of the modem! Temp ,directly above the container,75 F when the computer is on! I got similar roots showing on Atreano and Emerald strawberry! Feels like Christmas already!!!!!;) Good going Chris. I would just bury them shallow and keep moist. Something else I'm noticing is the ones having wood exposed at the surface are not as good looking as the ones coming up through a bit of mix. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

Charlie

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Posted 1418694140 · Edited	Reply with quote #136

Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisK Hey Charlie! What is the temp in that room? With the light on it runs in the low to mid 80's. Light off it's house temps of low 70's. The thermometer is on the floor where the plants are. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

ChrisK

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Posted 1418694640	Reply with quote #137

I got 20 of them in cups today, in an angle so bud faces straight up ,mix of 45% seed starter from MG, 45% organic potting mix from Vigoro and 10% coffee grinds! Cups placed in a plastic bin with a 25w blue light over it that keeps the temp close to 80 F. See what happens . I like the way this mix drains quick but still feels kinda heavy! __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

ChrisK

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Posted 1418694995	Reply with quote #138

Awesome ,that is why you get great growth! Your room acts as a natural giant humidity bin. I checked the Atreano cutting again this evening and it seams like the roots grew about a 1/8 of an inch since this morning! They love growing in the 70s lol! Thanks again Charlie! __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

Charlie

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Posted 1418699051	Reply with quote #139

I really only know one thing for certain. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

COGardener

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Posted 1418700508	Reply with quote #140

Charlie, Thank you for extrapolating on that for us! All great info as usual. The It's great to see more options. Thank you again for the awesome thread. Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Quote: Originally Posted by COGardener Charlie, Are you running a humidity source in the figdom? Since most of us use a humidity bin, is it a humidity room? No it's just a room in our home. Was wondering a couple days ago what the humidity is in here since we're evaporating close to 2 gallons of water daily. Since the ceiling fan went out the only air movement is from a small fan across the hall blowing cool air in at floor level to force the hot air out at the upper level, seems to be working well enough. The only cuttings to ever be covered in any sense of the conventional humidity bin are the Unk Lake Spur when they were first started, in a big tote and the 11/01 group which were covered with cups for a couple of days at their beginning. Ever since then there have been no covers or bins or totes. Just daily watering. There are also some traditional multi-node cuttings in here in cups and they are starting to bud and leaf. They are also not covered. I'm not going to say humidity covers are not necessary but for this scenario they are not. I'm not scientific enough to say this or that for certain, it's just working. Fact is I did not expect nearly this sort of success. Maybe 50% was what I was hoping for. There are over 200 bowls/cups in here and only 35 are not budding yet but many of them have roots I can see on the surface. Thanks everyone for the comments and show of support. Means a lot to me to do something positive and contribute to fig lovers. I hope some more folks can do this as well and find it works for them also. Not much to burying some sticks and watering them now and then. :)

Charlie

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Posted 1418700597	Reply with quote #141

Roots of Magnolia. I cut a cup lid and fit it around the stem, flipped it over and the bowl lifted right off. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

cis4elk

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Posted 1418708092	Reply with quote #142

You certainly have it dialed in, dude..YOUR ON FIRE! It seems you can do no wrong with this. Charlies walking around dropping fig trimming and they sprout and grow behind him as he walks. __________________ Calvin Littleton,CO z5/6 Wants List: For everyone to clean-up after themselves and co-exist peacefully. Let's think more about the future of our planet and less about ourselves. :)

Charlie

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Posted 1418735863	Reply with quote #143

Surprise! There goes the growing straight up without limbs theory lol. This is good and bad. Good they are healthy and growing, bad that I'm really not prepared for limb growth if they all should decide to do this. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

Charlie

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Posted 1418739549	Reply with quote #144

Quote: Originally Posted by cis4elk You certainly have it dialed in, dude..YOUR ON FIRE! It seems you can do no wrong with this. Charlies walking around dropping fig trimming and they sprout and grow behind him as he walks. "Seems" so but not all is perfect in the Figdom. FMV is apparent in several, if that's what it is I'm seeing in some and there is this that really has me baffled because they all have been treated equally. The only difference in any of the Unk Lake Spur is the pots. These three have gotten yellow leaf edges and seem stunted compared to some other of the ULS's. What do ya's think this might be? Should I discard them? No room for quarantine. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

Charlie

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Posted 1418740366	Reply with quote #145

No kidding on the pots. The round ones are all kickin while the square ones just are not. The pots are all re-cycled from fig trees I bought over the summer. Round ones from Almost Eden and the square ones from various other places. They were sprayed with a hose far as washing but none were sterilized. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

Charlie

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Posted 1418742221	Reply with quote #146

Here's some others seeming to be challenged... __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

sewnmom7

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Posted 1418744171	Reply with quote #147

oh my, I'll never get housework done. ya'll posts are so informative, & I need all I can get.., going to Wendys or Buenos tonite for a few of those cups... for my single node cuttings.. again, thanks for all this info...molly / sewnmom7

GRamaley

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Posted 1418746967	Reply with quote #148

I'd give them a while longer, I've had cutting where the first couple of leaves looked like azz but then it was fine after and never had another bad leaf.. __________________ Gloria --------------- 7a, maybe 8

ChrisK

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Posted 1418747747	Reply with quote #149

You'right Gloria, especially some leaves that are kinda forced to grow before season like those on rooting cuttings,or stunned in some way tend to look sickly or abnormal because I guess the plant is focusing on surviving and developing roots rather than leafing out! Once the roots establish in a way the leafs start to look more normal and more true to variety ! Charlie has near perfect results though as if that room was built for growing cuttings! __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

rcantor

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Posted 1418754000	Reply with quote #150

s it possible he media is too wet? __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

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