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single-node rooting Marseilles Black VS

I think I mentioned MBVS being really hard to root the other day.

Imagine my surprise to come home and find both a 2-node and single-node cutting with a 1" root on the 2-node, and little rootlets on the single node.  (I cut the rotten end off bottom of the 2-node)

Maybe I won't be so quick to judge next time?  ;)

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I started about 30 one-node cuttings last year, and I have about 12 that have grown up. They were just left overs, and I don't know what variety they are. Just a proof of concept project. They seem to have a little less vigor, perhaps due to smaller amount of initial wood. I just started 24 one-node cuttings of Saratoga yesterday, to see how they do. It is definitely possible to do.
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Cool! Your collection keeps getting bigger and bigger!
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I am keeping my fingers crossed.  I figure if it will send out a root 1" long, or even two roots 1/4" long, maybe this is enough to provide nutrients to grow large.  ~ 1/3 success rate w/Jon sounds like something I could stand to have (I have two more of six cuttings rooting right now)

Bottom line is, as long as one of these manages to grow, I just saved myself $20 on buying one elsewhere, and with how hard it is to get this one ... who knows.  If nothing else, I can trade someone else here in GA or nearby for some other variety.

Now comes the fun part - let's see whether 50/50-turface/SM or 50/50-3B/perlite grows these faster!
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I agree with Jon on this one I too have rooted a few One Node cuttings and they do root but the it seems they are a little less vigore's than a cutting with a few more nodes. I have a Kala Heera one node cutting that has rooted quite nicely and has just started to push out growth this one seems a bit different though the diameter of the new Branch thats growing is actually quite thick compared to the other one nodes. Some cuttings the Nodes are like 3-4 Inches apart so It works pretty good if you have the courage to do it. Best of luck Jason
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Thanks, Nelson.  I'm stoked about it, I didn't think it would root, felt pretty good to see it. 

Things are looking very positive for my first big batch of cuttings, looking like I might actually have about 80% root, we will see which turn into trees.

I also noticed that one of my unknowns started too root.  It wouldn't root in a bag, but I put it in soil and noticed it three a couple 1.5" roots on it at this point.  Huuuuge cutting.

I'm doing some investigation on local trees in my neighborhood right now.  So far, I've found 8 within three blocks.  One is reportedly "green, very sweet and makes a great 'fig sauce with cinnamon'" according to the current owner, who is selling the house.  She was able to tell me that it was planted by a previous owner about 30 years ago, he has since passed.  Two other trees I was looking at were started from cuttings of this one.  I only have 5 more to trees to figure out now ;)
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Bottom line is, as long as one of these manages to grow, I just saved myself $20 on buying one elsewhere, and with how hard it is to get this one ... who knows.  If nothing else, I can trade someone else here in GA or nearby for some other variety.



I would imagine, if you had a rare(er) variety that you might want to keep hold of at least 2 healthy specimens.  I've got concerns over overwintering them, putting them out too early and getting hit with a frost, or some other unknown  taking one out.


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Jason I have read that also that the Black Marseilles VS is very hard to root I too was excited to have been able to root all my cuttings quite easily. One thing I have noticed though is the roots of the BMVS are really thick I just potted up two of mine a week ago and already have sphagetti roots coming out the bottom holes of the Pot.

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I noticed that, too.  The root initials of MVBS/BMVS/whatever, the first 1mm-2mm of nub that shows is three times as thick as most of my other cuttings.  I look forward to seeing those beauties smushed against the inside of the cup.

On the other hand, a local unknown I found at the abandoned historic WWI Voiture Hall #217 on the east side of my neighborhood has the thinnest roots I've ever seen.  It makes "angel hair" pasta look thick.
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LOL I know what you mean Jason one of the Yellow Serbian cuttings I got this summer was really thin when It rooted the roots were barely noticeable eventually the filled with roots and then I transplanted it and gave it away it is now 4ft tall even Taller than the one I kept go figure.
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Question for one of the pros:

Please see the cuttings in the first post of this thread.  Notice the left-hand cutting.  There is only one node near the roots, and no others! 

This cutting is rooting like crazy...but will it ever shoot leaves?

If yes, where will they come from?!  It's probably too late to un-pot and re-pot without damaging the roots.
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Jason was there an eye on that node or embryo or whatever its called? I have rooted one node cuttings and buried it 3" or so below soil line and it eventually sent up a shoot. I would say just leave it as is and eventually you will see a determined shoot come up.
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As Jon mentioned these may have less vigor, relying on energy reserves in the wood. I have been successful rooting them but had a few die also.

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Ok, updating this thread also.

This is a picture of the cutting up there on the left with a node way low on the cutting and no node on top, taken about 10 days after realizing that there was actually only one shoot-capable node, and it was buried under 4" of mix.  I repotted it in a different mix right away, with just that tiny little 1/2" cutting end under the soil.  I wanted to plant sideways, but roots were all over the lower portion of the cutting, so I went upright (carefully).

No root activity seen on sides of cup after transplant (yet) but the shoot has doubled in length in 10 days, and leaves are forming where none were before.  Hoping this one makes it!  I think I'll probably lose my recent emergency transplant, but still have a couple more behind this, so ...

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well I got a tree from EP and it had a little broken branch when it got here and a tiny thin piece fell off it looked dried and dead to me... only about 1 1/2 inches long and very a thin branch also just a little bigger around than a tooth pick.... well I stuck it inall the way in the dirt next to the tree, so it would break down and eventually feed the tree it came from.. if it even had a node I was shocked to find one.
well I guess it has one node... but the shocker is .. now it has a leaf as big and longer than the whole stick once was and it only got here, what about a month,month and a half ago ago.
all I can say is that kind is vigorous and that is an understatement!! thank goodness it is not a legume or a vine.. you wouldn't be able to slow it down..
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