Martin in all fairness to Rafed, When we put shovel in, red ants came out the one's that bite. So I treated the area and dug out a nice sucker with roots. The hard part was getting through the roots from mother tree, there was a rooting branch that had to be an inch in diameter and a bunch of smaller ones. I gave it to him on next visit.
Ronde will be one VDB and possibly Sal Corleone might be another and Panachee. since these are all in 3 gal pots and I don't have to pot up or dig the hole as big as if they were in 20 gal pots. I might have to start me another Conadria also for ground as I really enjoy size and taste also does well with rain