I agree JF&E, has nice healthy large trees. But cost and shipping are higher. My Petit Negra I got from Raintree is one of my favorites and healtthy, it's a kissing cousin of VdB. Raintree's Flanders, Brown Turkey, and Desert King are not healthy, or at least they weren't in the past. Hartman's nursery sells a good size Hardy Chicago for a good price with shipping.