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Sultane or Sultani

Are there two unique varieties called Sultane and Sultani or just two different ways to spell it?

Another nice video Tom . Thanks for sharing and if and when you ever come up with Rie cuttings please let me or us know. I'm very interested. Thanks again.

Tom, as far as I know, Sultane is a very good French variety. Former forum member, Aaron4USA, distributed an unknown that he found in SoCal which he called Sultani. You can do a search and see it. Maybe that's what you have?

I have AaronUSA sultane. No fruit yet. Growing nicly

Hi,
Whatever it is, this is not sultane. Sultane is a big tree but a small short pear shaped fig and the fruit keeps the straight pointing until you find the fruit on the dirt under the tree if you wait too long.
Here in my Zone7, the brebas of sultane are of no use - they are too scarce. The maincrop is not that bad though.
My first sultane was better then my second sultane is so far, but the winter got her in 2012 - she should be as big as my Dalmatie as I bought both on the same day years ago.
Last year my new sultane was stunted and attacked by insects and she was new. This year she's more established and clean so hopefully ... crossing fingers .
Still I'll only get one breba from this tree this year ... Kinda miserly.

It sure resembles the Melanzana long I had a couple of days ago.  That had a very sweet caramel jammy taste.

Hey guys. Here's the Sultani from Aaron.

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Thanks Tom, I think we need to be clear what is your variety (Sultane??), I also saw in multiple facebook accounts a Sultani variety and wondered how the name is abused.

According to my Literature the Sultani/Hava/Fayumi/COP/Rmadi are all synonyms.
Locally it is also called "A3". The Pics Below are from a Hava/Cop/Sultani/A3 fig tree. It was named Hava because of the leaf shape and size.

Problem is in condits book there is also a green sultani.

To try and clear this confusion between Sultani and Sultane Here are a few summaries from condit: ( also included photos of a real Sultani/Hava fig

Palestinian/Green Sultani: 
Condit " Sultani. Described by Grasovsky and Weitz (1932) as a large, round, green fig of good quality, grown in Jenin, Palestine."

Egyptian sultani is as below:
Condit
Sultani (syns. Fayoumi, Ramadi, Barshoumi, Sidi Gaber, Hejazi). Described and figured by Badie and Ghamrawi (1931) as the most common and widely distributed variety of Egypt. The following all proved to be identical in the variety plot at Riverside: P.I. No. 80,299, introduced into California in 1929 from Palestine as Sultane; No. 81,678, from the Tarring Fig Garden, England, in 1929 as Madagascar; and No. 80,152, from Ariana, Tunisia, in 1929 as Bidh-el-Atrous. The fruits show characters very similar to those described for the Sultani of Egypt. Therefore, all of the above will be treated here as one and the same variety. Bidh-el-Atrous is treated by Guillochon (1913, 1927, 1929) as a small, violet fig, with green ribs. Madagascar is briefly described by Spence (1846) as a small, globular, green sort, with narrowly lobed leaves, found in a West Tarring orchard. J. L. (1890) stated that the name Madagascar, “evidently a misnomer,” was attached to a very large fig, frequently met with at Lansing, England. Trees in Egypt and in California are vigorous, producing two crops. Leaves large, commonly nonlobed. The following description is from fruits produced at Riverside since 1940, in comparison with the account by Badie and Ghamrawi. Breba crop fair; figs above medium, pyriform; ribs prominent; eye large, scales pink; color green, flushed with chocolate brown; pulp coarse, strawberry in color; quality poor.


Sultane:
Condit "Sultane (syn. Grosse de Juillet). Described by Duchartre (1857), Du Breuil (1876), Mazières (1920), Bois (1928), and Simonet et al. (1945); the last with illustration of both first- and second-crop figs. Simonet and Chopinet (1947) described and illustrated this variety as Noire de Juillet. The following account is after that of Simonet et al. (1945) from fruits produced at Sollies-Pont, in southern France. Tree very productive. Brebas medium to large, pyriform to turbinate, with short neck; average weight 85 grams; stalk up to 1/2 inch long; ribs prominent; eye small, closed, sometimes slightly depressed, scales violet; skin firm, black on apex and body, shading to reddish brown toward the stalk; meat violet; pulp red; quality fair. Season late July. Second-crop figs medium, turbinate; average weight 57 grams; stalk 1/4 inch long; skin unusually firm, resistant to injury during transport; color black, with prominent, pruinose bloom; meat white; pulp dark red, of fine texture; quality good, Season September.

SULTANE (synonymes : Noire de juillet, Bellone bifère)

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bifère, fin juin fin juillet puis 25 août à 10 novembre, violette, vigueur importante 4/5 m

 

 

 

 

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I also have the "Sultani" distributed by Aaron4USA, described as a purple fig from Iran brought in by an immigrant/refugee.  His posts describing the fig are here:
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-sultani-fig-6992117?highlight=sultani&pid=1283667265#post1283667265
and
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/ill-put-my-cuttings-on-forum-table-6851795?pid=1282442500#post1282442500

The elongated breba in the above video could be the same fig Aaron described.  Obviously not the same fig as Sultane or the green Syrian Sultani described by Bass in one of the above posts or the green Palestinian Sultani described by elin in his reply above mine. 

Here are a few photos I took of my 2nd year "Sultani" this AM (in the rain).  At the start of this year they had more of a spade type leaf, the later ones are more lobed.  No brebas formed on mine this year but there are several main crop figs growing.

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That is so cool. Thanks for sharing Ed . I can't wait to see the ripe figs from your tree. I hope it is a common fig and does not need pollination. It is one of the healthiest looking trees from the cuttings I rooted this year.

I too have the Aaron "persian sultani", grafted onto my tree.  There are quite a few small figs, but like many other varieties on the tree, has not yet begun to ripen.  I will report when they do, but I wonder if it is one that requires fert by the wasp in light of the region  Aaron was/is living (Cali).

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Hi,
Whatever it is, this is not sultane. Sultane is a big tree but a small short pear shaped fig and the fruit keeps the straight pointing until you find the fruit on the dirt under the tree if you wait too long.
Here in my Zone7, the brebas of sultane are of no use - they are too scarce. The maincrop is not that bad though.
My first sultane was better then my second sultane is so far, but the winter got her in 2012 - she should be as big as my Dalmatie as I bought both on the same day years ago.
Last year my new sultane was stunted and attacked by insects and she was new. This year she's more established and clean so hopefully ... crossing fingers .
Still I'll only get one breba from this tree this year ... Kinda miserly.


Sounds like my sultane, mines about 3-4 years old. Not very good for my climate I bought it for the brebas but the frost killed them this spring.

I have a Fayumi it will be interesting as per Condit if it turns out to be same as Sultani. 
It has beautiful mostly single lobed large leaves and a few figlets so may see later in the summer.

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Originally Posted by ChrisK
That is so cool. Thanks for sharing Ed . I can't wait to see the ripe figs from your tree. I hope it is a common fig and does not need pollination. It is one of the healthiest looking trees from the cuttings I rooted this year.


A friend sent me a few cuttings of Aaron's Sultani over the winter. The plant is very clean and is a great grower. I have three trees that are going into the trash. All three dropped their figs. Needs the wasp.

Yours may be ahead of mine, Art, due to your greenhouse. Mine is still holding the figs. If they drop, might be time to learn some grafting skills

Persian "Sultani"
This is the ripe Sultai figs from last week.
Thank you,
Frank Q.

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... or send it to someone with the wasp

Thanks for posting Art. Maybe you should wait another year before you kill them?

Ed are the figs developing ? Could you post a photo?

Frank Q. Do your figs need to be pollination?
Thanks all for the response! They look awesome.

A couple of the Sultani figs have a slight tint of color on them, are about the same size as many of my other figs (but not as large as those that are starting to ripen now).  I can try to post a picture but it will be starting to get dark when I get home from work tonight, so maybe tomorrow at the earliest.

My small Desert King and large Adriatic(Grasa) have both been dropping their main crop figs the past 2 weeks, the Adriatic(Grasa) is already fig-less.

I know (from reading here) there are varieties like Pastilliere that seem to take a few years to hold on to their figs.  But I don't have prior experience to judge Sultani as to what it is going to turn out to be - Smyrna or common.

I have a Sultane from Brugmansia-Quebec. This is the first year with some figs on it so hoping its a good one.

Here is a pic of my Sultani plant showing the figs that have developed a little color.  They are not soft.  No idea if they will drop or hang on.

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Here is a pic of my Sultani plant showing the figs that have developed a little color.  They are not soft.  No idea if they will drop or hang on.

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Mine started to drop when they got dark.

Thanks for the warning Art.  I am expecting the same, to be honest, based on your experience.

If they drop, I will offer the plant for shipping expense to anyone with the fig wasp available.

Sultani as of tonight. If it needs the wasp .... What a heartbreak. It grows so well. Thanks Art and Ed for the input.

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Well, as Art predicted, the figlets on mine have started to drop off.  I also believe this is a Smyrna variety.

Does anyone in fig wasp territory want me to ship this one to them bare root in the fall??? - if so PM me.  If not it gets trashed this weekend, I can use the SIP for another fig plant now.  Maybe I'll do an old fashioned 'Martin-style' burning (you have to have been here over a year to understand the reference).  I am sorry it didn't work out, loved the photos, history of the plant.

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