Suspected eBay scammers with F4F ties

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HarveyC

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Posted 1427207478	Reply with quote #201

Sofia is nice Thai lady and no problem. This thread is about a specific group of eBay sellers that are directly connected together which is summarized in post #1. I don't want to get this thread off track, but here is the most complete list of trusted sellers I know of http://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-home/8609-trusted-known-ebay-sellers-vendors-list (there are a few partial lists here at F4F but they are dated) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

rookie

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Posted 1427848115	Reply with quote #202

It sucks that you hard a problem with your cuttings and I hope it's just the few you bought from this emma person. I have no connection or anything else with this emma person but you did say that you had all the cuttings in the same bin, is it possible that they became infected from being in the same bin and the ones from emma just got sick first? Like I said , I have no connection whatsoever with "emma" but I do think it's a possibility. __________________ Scott, Long Island ,NY All my figs have been exposed to FMV,some have it, some don't. It doesn't seem to bother them so it doesn't bother me.

bigfig

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Posted 1427853086	Reply with quote #203

what are the signs of fmv?? should i destroy the cuttings that the leaves look curly? __________________ Wish list :vasilika sika,,JH Adriaticand common french Joe New Jersey 6a

Rewton

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Posted 1427907568	Reply with quote #204

To be able to figure out what this disease is it would be helpful if you provided photos. Your Lebanese cuttings may grow out of it and then be fine. Alternatively, others may know of a treatment for it. I wouldn't give up on the cuttings yet though you might want to keep them separated from your other cuttings for now. __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

GRamaley

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Posted 1427921973	Reply with quote #205

I find this diagram helpful __________________ Gloria --------------- 7a, maybe 8

Gordenia

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Posted 1427922576	Reply with quote #206

Can you suggest a best source for all/some microelements? __________________ Gordenia

evladi7654

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Posted 1427928796	Reply with quote #207

Quote: Originally Posted by crunbar The top photo shows a closeup of the diseased leaves on the first two of the 489emma cuttings to manifest. The bottom photo is of the third (formerly un-diseased cutting). However, today I can see the disease is beginning to show up in the third cutting too. The middle lobe of the bottom left leaf is beginning to discolor the same way the other two cuttings did. I also took pictures of my healthy cuttings ( all from sources other than 489emma), but I don't think posting them would be informative. To recap, all three of the cuttings I received from 489emma are diseased. Its interesting to know what university you graduated from to give this diagnostics . ? I grow Figs many years and it was me who sent you these cuttings. I invite you in the summer to taste my Figs. I have about 30 trees in the ground and many in the pot. I sent you good ,healthy cuttings from a healthy tree. You have good leafing in the picture but do you have roots there enough to support them? I don't like to give advices but before you blame someone publicly,` you' d better learn first.

brianm

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Posted 1427941689	Reply with quote #208

That is not fmv looks like either lack of water or sunburn. They should be fine. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra,UC Davis Black Ischia, Maltese Raven

AZFig

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Posted 1427944257	Reply with quote #209

Did you pray for it yet ? __________________ JUSTIN Zone 8a Wishlist-Genovese Nero

HarveyC

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Posted 1427957545	Reply with quote #210

If you don't mind, please take the FMV discussion to a separate thread. I created this thread to discuss a particular group of scammers to make it easier to keep track of their actions, methods, etc. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

noss

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Posted 1428815500	Reply with quote #211

This is a really good thread. I only look for trees that I want because I don't want to sell anything and because I've been a member of F4F for several years, I started learning right away who is trustworthy and have stayed with those people. There have been some members who were generous enough to send trees as gifts and I still can't believe how generous they were to me. One important lesson I learned was that it's probably not a good idea to sell cuttings from trees that you have not personally owned, or seen and tasted the figs from those trees because they could turn out to be something else. Not so bad if they are given, but to sell something like that can cause problems. I learned this by others' mistakes, but that could happen to anyone. I have F4F to thank for teaching me not to trust everyone and I can eliminate most of the eBay Sellers who sell figs and concentrate on the good people. Thanks so much to all the people who come here to exchange information and help people learn. noss __________________ noss/a.k.a. Vivian Lafayette, LA Zone 9a Wish List: Col de Dame Blanc, Col de Dame Noir, Scott's Yellow, Tony's Brown Italian, any other fig that is good in the rain/humidity and has a real figgy flavor.

chrishw

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Posted 1429332493	Reply with quote #212

Quote: Originally Posted by AZFig Another ebay seller to look out for would be plant1onme. Bought bare root trees from seller and they ended up being something totally different than description. Tried to contact seller and no response. BE AWARE ! Thank you harveyc for your investigative work. I also take this kind of stuff seriously, we don't need more confusion with fig varieties. Shame on these crooks! Thanks! I've had a $250 order sitting in my basket from plant1onme for over a month thinking about it and tweaking it! Was going to pull the trigger tonight and then saw this post, I guess I should always start small when buying from someone the first time. Thanks, Chris

HarveyC

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Posted 1429333615	Reply with quote #213

Okay, back onto the topic of this particular thread. Please go back and see the IDs listed in the edit to post #1. From the best I can tell, all of these accounts are held or controlled by one person (a woman, for what it's worth). To understand the level of corruptness, this person also rips off people by buying from them, currently under the account peonia2015 (previously atskor10 prior to that and atskor8 prior to that). With eBay's liberal buyer protection policies she has made false claims of receiving dead or fake cuttings and eBay guarantees her a refund no matter what. And, when I and others have required a return before she gets the refund, the seller has had to pay for the return shipping and she has sent entirely different items back to the seller, keeping the items she bought for free. There is no protection for sellers for false returns. I've gone around and around with eBay on this numerous times. Fortunately, if you're got a good track record and are a big enough seller for eBay to care, they may cover your losses for you (they did four times for me). So, not only do I suggest you not buy from the eBay accounts listed in post #1, I suggest you go to http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?BidderBlockLogin and block these eBay members from bidding on your items. If they change their ID, it automatically gets updated in this list. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

baust55

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Posted 1429377843 · Edited	Reply with quote #214

THANKS Harvey .. The seller your informing us of is a piece of work .wow what a ... sociopath __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

snaglpus

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Posted 1429496043	Reply with quote #215

Jon, it's time to lock this thread. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Gordenia

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Posted 1429498514	Reply with quote #216

Quote: Originally Posted by snaglpus Jon, it's time to lock this thread. Not trying to be rude, but may I ask why? __________________ Gordenia

HarveyC

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Posted 1429504925	Reply with quote #217

I disagree, Dennis. I've updated this thread with additional facts that help protect both buyers and sellers from this scammer. I know for a fact of several people that have been spared a financial hit because of my posts. If it's not something that concerns you (i.e., if you're not buying or selling on eBay), then there is no need for you to follow this thread but it still serves a legitimate purpose for many members. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

Hershell

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Posted 1429531042 · Edited	Reply with quote #218

Quote: Originally Posted by snaglpus Jon, it's time to lock this thread. That's a very nice comment! If anything move the post that are not on topic. Harvey has done a great job of keeping buyers informed. So why would anyone want this thread to fade away? Better yet, Harvey why don't you start a thread somewhere that it can be kept on topic and won't have the threat of being locked for no reason. And I know that this didn't come from Jon and appreciate that he hasn't done so. __________________ Hershell Zone 8. Ray City, Ga.

rookie

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Posted 1429541408	Reply with quote #219

I'd say leave the thread open so it can be added to by anyone that has been victimized by these pieces of garbage that are on ebay. __________________ Scott, Long Island ,NY All my figs have been exposed to FMV,some have it, some don't. It doesn't seem to bother them so it doesn't bother me.

adoresfigs45

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Posted 1429541935	Reply with quote #220

Yes please leave thread open It is because of Harvey that I joined the forum and try to buy first from trusted members here. All of you who have done business with me I thank you for the nice material you sent. When I said I was serious about loving figs I hope you all believed me and are richer for it. I am moving on to the harder to find and exotic figs. I will hope that In the next three years I wil be sending cuttings to you members. I have also noticed that there seems to be fewer postings on ebay from suspect sources. Joyce

sal

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Posted 1429546197 · Edited	Reply with quote #221

I have to say I use the reputable seller list on ourfigs.com all the time. I'm glad this list exists I just wish it was updated more. Maybe we can have a section where new members such as myself can ask if anyone has bought from a specific seller? Even link an auction or pictures if need be. Also HarveyC can keep an area for Known Scammers so new members don't need to go through an entire thread to find a complete list. I'm happy I found this forum and these posts you guys make really help us.. Also what criteria is the reputable seller list based on ? Can it be updated? __________________ Zone 6a Orange County NY Wish list: Figo Preto,I-258,St Rita,

snaglpus

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Posted 1429585932	Reply with quote #222

The reason I asked to lock this thread is due to the rude langauge. Plus it was getting off topic. I think this is an awesome thread. Just stay on subject and keep your comment clean. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Gordenia

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Posted 1429635802	Reply with quote #223

Sure it will help many peoples to make a decision when choosing a seller. I personally believe no one when it comes to opinion, or guesses ,but it is interesting to compere it with my experience. __________________ Gordenia

waynea

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Posted 1429641752	Reply with quote #224

Dennis is a wise man, same two reasons that Harvey has to get the thread back on track. Rude language is not something most members want to see when looking for info or just for corresponding with other members. If you can not stay on the topic then start a new thread, it's just that simple. People can get burned if they just want to learn from their own experience and not heed the advice of others, so have at it. This is a good thread. Stay on topic!

DaveL

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Posted 1429655741	Reply with quote #225

While I can see where the nature of this thread can draw some irre, I must agree with Dennis. Who ever made the edit, thank you. __________________ Dave Waterford, Ct. Zone 6B

HarveyC

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Posted 1429801270	Reply with quote #226

I've posted comments many times to keep this thread on track. Unless I have moderator capabilities (I don't), that's all I can do. Another good member got burned by this individual/group of scammers. Also, the eBay ID of the person that I first dealt with as atskor10 who later became peonia2015 is now using the ID of 200rarefigtrees. I'm guessing that their goal is to have 200 different varieties, either fake or stolen. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

brianm

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Posted 1429820591	Reply with quote #227

Thanks for the update Harvey. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra,UC Davis Black Ischia, Maltese Raven

HarveyC

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Posted 1445583118	Reply with quote #228

It's getting to be that time of year again. Be on guard! __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

larryl

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Posted 1445588329 · Edited	Reply with quote #229

Crap,I am now bidding on red lebanon cuttings from peony77 from moskow pa. What should I do can I withdraw my bid? should I withdraw ? What should I do? __________________ Larry Sierra Vista,Az Zone 8b____________ wish list: Black Madeira, Black Ishia,Italian258,Maltese Falcon,Maltese Beauty,Fico Preto,Galicia Negri,Black mission,dwarf peach tree.

JohnK

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Posted 1445613439 · Edited	Reply with quote #230

77peony is also selling Jolly Tiger, Ice Crystal, Vasilika Sika, and Clown Fig cuttings on ebay right now. __________________ Zone 6 "JohnnyK" on Ourfigs forum

Iowafig

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Posted 1445614925 · Edited	Reply with quote #231

Larry if you still the high bidder I would withdraw the bid. I see that justfigs is selling red Lebanese cuttings. I bought from him and everything was great! He is also a member here. I am a newbie to figs and this info is great to keep informed with people who maybe taking advantage.

Smyfigs

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Posted 1445618025	Reply with quote #232

Harvey: I see one ID that looks familiar to me. I have bought several cuttings to get my collection started. I also bought two 4" starters, one of which arrived totally mangled and has now died. I have requested a replacement (White Adriatic) and hope this person will do as they promised. I am not surprised if there is a scam. There is so much of that lately. Too bad that people do these things. Thanks for the warning. I have taken note of all the IDs. __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

Smyfigs

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Posted 1445618205	Reply with quote #233

Quote: Originally Posted by GRamaley I find this diagram helpful __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

Smyfigs

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Posted 1445618238	Reply with quote #234

Gloria, what a great chart! __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

monsterchew

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Posted 1445705284	Reply with quote #235

I have been bookmarking F4F page few months ago just to check the variety information. Then i getting more and more interested in figgilistic and started to register on the forum but only to read and learn from here. This is my first post and i just want to tell how grateful that i read this post today. To be honest, i have been watching and following the above mentioned blacklist name ebayer listing and was actually decided to bid the VS cutting that r going to end in 12hr. It is not easy to get good variety fig in some country, ebay is sometime the only way if you want to get something new, and i think this is why unfaithful seller still standing strong as long as they got good marketing "tactic". Anyway, i'm going to unfollow and unwatch them now, hope more new figger can read this post before starting their fig hunting journey.

Likeo

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Posted 1445705497	Reply with quote #236

I dunno about this but if you tell the owner of figs4fun they can ban him, right? __________________ Figs: Conadria and Little Ruby

Jodi

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Posted 1445725668	Reply with quote #237

Wow thank you everyone for this post. As a newbee, I have recently succumbed to the allure of ebay figs! And I did rely on the associations with this forum as a guide for reputable sellers. I won bids on two trees and I received the plants pictured in the ebay listing. And as you all point out it will be a while before they bear the fruit of their lineage. Keeping a sharper eye on my addiction. ;-) __________________ In the book the "The Meaning of Trees" it is said the fig regulates the heart and that the true essence of Figs is...food for the soul. Daisy's IBT cuttings will be available in January/February along with a few Lampeira Parda. Wishes for Martinenca Rimada, Black Ischia, I258, CddRoja, Jolly Tiger, Your favorite Figgy! Zone 8a Camp Verde AZ

larryl

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Posted 1445730589	Reply with quote #238

Adding fuel to the fire, I was going to bid on an ice crystal cutting on e-bay but I questioned the owners if these trees were self fertile, the response was a simple "YES". Now I find them listed here on suspected e-bay scammers. It was 77 peony. __________________ Larry Sierra Vista,Az Zone 8b____________ wish list: Black Madeira, Black Ishia,Italian258,Maltese Falcon,Maltese Beauty,Fico Preto,Galicia Negri,Black mission,dwarf peach tree.

kkk2210

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Posted 1445733271	Reply with quote #239

Thanks Harvey you are always helpful . __________________ Vinny Bognor Regis, United Kingdom Wish List : Callara, De La Rio,Cul Noir, Calvy, LSU Red, I-258, Maltese Beauty, Preto, FMV Infected Ischia Black UCD. My Ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/myb/Summary?MyEbay&gbh=1

Smyfigs

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Posted 1445742437 · Edited	Reply with quote #240

NYCFigs: nicely worded. Very detailed. Many great facts to know about figs/plants ad they relate to Ebay policy. Great work! I really was enjoying watching stuff on Ebay but it doesn't feel safe. Thanks for this eye opening! __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

Likeo

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Posted 1445742584	Reply with quote #241

Filidelphia is good to __________________ Figs: Conadria and Little Ruby

waynea

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Posted 1445777977	Reply with quote #242

I would not purchase from any non-members of F4F forum. The feedback of sellers on eBay are not reliable because when you realize what you really have it's too late to give the CORRECT feedback. I other words, you purchase cuttings, they LOOK good so you give positive feedback..."really healthy cuttings" and that is about all you know at this time. So you put them in the fridge, in about 3-4 months you start the rooting process and low and behold the variety is not what you thought you purchased. It's too late to change your feedback and guess what, the scammer still has 100% positive feedback. Buy from trusted members, the scammers will not join the forum because they know we will expose them and they do not get exposed on eBay feedback.

Smyfigs

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Posted 1445781328	Reply with quote #243

I understand wynea. I dont know F4F members id on eBay or I would do just that. How do i find out? I dint think everyone posts their ebay name on here, right? __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

garden_whisperer

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Posted 1445784940	Reply with quote #244

There is an old thread, I cant remember the title. it is about good ebay sellers, many members here including myself sell cuttings, trees and other plants on ebay, Harvey I know does as well or used to , as well as trees of joy. I will try to see if I can find that thread and bump it up. __________________ Dave Zone 6b Illinois "Be the change you wish to see in the world"

Likeo

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Posted 1445785143	Reply with quote #245

I don't like these scammers! Unfortunately there's nothing we can do about on eBay __________________ Figs: Conadria and Little Ruby

Jerry_M

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Posted 1445785864	Reply with quote #246

Has anyone noticed how many sellers are located in NJ? It must be the hot spot of figdoom in the USA. __________________ Jerry Canyon Lake, TX 8b Wanted: Cajun Gold, Louisiana Honey, Schar Israel-114 grams

Likeo

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Posted 1445787433	Reply with quote #247

Quote: Originally Posted by Jerry_M Has anyone noticed how many sellers are located in NJ? It must be the hot spot of figdoom in the USA. I've noticed that to, its strange because the west is hotter than the east __________________ Figs: Conadria and Little Ruby

Blackfoot

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Posted 1445790529	Reply with quote #248

I have noticed that too and here is what I think. New Jersey is a very populated state. It also has a relatively high population of people of Italian, Greek and Portugese ethnic background. Large portion of the state is in zone 7. In some of the south I think figs are grown and taken for granted. They grow easily. Here we need help. Hence the activity on the forum. __________________ Zone 7A NJ Wish List: Nothing now. I am in way over my head.

Smyfigs

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Posted 1445884088	Reply with quote #249

Thanks, Garden Whisperer. Yes, if you find the list, it would help a lot. I may paying attention to what I see for sale. I'm new at all of this so advice is very much appreciated. __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

dominic

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Posted 1447740219	Reply with quote #250

Oh no! I've been a victim! Bought an Italian 258 from radyslava. __________________ Dominic, Zone 6a

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