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There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying 25 cuttings from Harvey and reselling them for what they are.


Agree with this, Harvey has a commercial business.  Unless he lied to Harvey.

But I don't think it is OK to respond to another forummer who is distributing cuttings out of the goodness of their heart, who is wanting to promote the hobby, who is wanting to help friends here, and then to turn around and sell those cuttings.  That is selfish, and a mistaken understanding of forum etiquette (or of decent human behavior).


And thanks, Harvey, and to all of those who are helping to make this forum a better place.

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Originally Posted by DonCentralTexas
Selling a cutting as one variety but it is in reality another variety is morally wrong.  Thanks for the heads up.

But legitimately buying large quantities of cuttings with the intention of re-selling (anywhere) is called business. That is what nurseries do.

I'm looking for 50-100 cuttings of VdB cheap for eventual re-sale as plants, how is this wrong?  Anyone providing me with them will have to know they are for future sales, right? 




There is difference between saying they are for resale as apposed to make people think they are for personal use.

Still, anyone wanting more then a handful it should be obvious.

Hi "abcd"... (BYW you should introduce yourself to the forum members.)

personally I don't see ANYTHING wrong in selling whatever you want to sell on eBay or wherever it works for you.Edit: as long as you payed for each cutting and not received them as a supportive donation from fellow good hearted forum members. (because that would be unethical.) People donate to fellow members because they know or assume that member can't afford buying the cuttings. Please don't take advantage of kind hearted people like that and ruin it for the rest of us. Once a kind hearted person stops trusting then it's everybody's loss. I hope you understand this concept. :)
Having said this, I have just one question, just to clarify the confusion: Have you EVER sold a cutting misnamed? in other words, were all the cuttings, that you have sold and selling, true to their claimed names?
...because I like what I see , sometimes, in your listings, and more power to you...

please answer the question.

If they are what you are saying they are then NO ONE has the right to criticize you nor anybody else trying to make some money on eBay in honest way :)

(...wow, this feels like dejavous ...LOL) hm...;/

If I may add my two cents to this discussion please. If someone is fortunate to have a large thriving fig collection or happens to come come across some windfall of cuttings from an external source and wants to sell on ebay, more power to him/her. This is not a cheap hobby. That being said, however, to procure cuttings from this forum, intended for it members, and turn around and sell these on eBay is just wrong. The cuttings offered here should be for those who really need them, such as newbies,  those with a limited collection, or someone needing a particular variety. We are all brothers and sisters on this forum and should respect each other as such. Someone in need should not be shut out of an opportunity due to someone looking to make a dollar. Just my two cents.

Well spent two cents

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Originally Posted by andreas
hello everyone.
i have to go with Harvey on this one.
this abcd person wanted me to sell him some cuttings.
i caught him lying to me... and that was that!!!



You using a word “liar” very easy. What did not you believe in our conversation? Let me guess…

Fact that I have a supplier in Greece?

 You do believe that you one and only?

Guess what – it is another seller on eBay right now- listings are identical – word by word. Who is a “copycat”, you or him?

 By the way I got many, many emails, asking me about my supplier contact information after my post about importing fig cuttings from Greece.

 And I did pay $ 5 each, even if you do not want to believe it, it is still a fact. Tell me, how long 3 words “rare fig variety” will be used in the same sentence if I will spread his contact information around.

We all want to be exclusive owners of rare variety, but everybody entitled to” change of heart” situation.  





@ abcd,
why aren't you answering my question?
if you answer my question then you don't need to prove anything to anybody...simple! :)

abcd you claim to have ordered peloponnisiaka aspra sika and many other greek types with phytosanitary certificate and the cost to you was $5.00 (that is a joke because the certificate it self cost more then youll ever know) but since you paid for it how much was it????
i will not go in to it with you, because it is clearly not worth my time.
however i ask you again and for the last time, and only because you wanted to drag this  out in the forum.
did your supplier show you a picture of the actual fruit?
can you produse a picture of this fruit other then my own?
because if not i have tons of fig firewood outside my door i could sell to you for $1/ cutting.
think of all the profit you would make on ebay!!!

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Originally Posted by Aaron4USA
Hi "abcd"... (BYW you should introduce yourself to the forum members.)

personally I don't see ANYTHING wrong in selling whatever you want to sell on eBay or wherever it works for you.Edit: as long as you payed for each cutting and not received them as a supportive donation from fellow good hearted forum members. (because that would be unethical.) People donate to fellow members because they know or assume that member can't afford buying the cuttings. Please don't take advantage of kind hearted people like that and ruin it for the rest of us. Once a kind hearted person stops trusting then it's everybody's loss. I hope you understand this concept. :)
Having said this, I have just one question, just to clarify the confusion: Have you EVER sold a cutting misnamed? in other words, were all the cuttings, that you have sold and selling, true to their claimed names?
...because I like what I see , sometimes, in your listings, and more power to you...

please answer the question.

If they are what you are saying they are then NO ONE has the right to criticize you nor anybody else trying to make some money on eBay in honest way :)

(...wow, this feels like dejavous ...LOL) hm...;/



Sorry, do not have much time to pay attention to all posts, was really upset about accusations.

 All cuttings on eBay  received from members and listed as named.

All cuttings which I received initially for “personal use”, SOLD to me by members ,who want to make some money for any reason, are in my greenhouse with a different state of success.

 And I DID NOT ask, or accept any donations, I simply cannot accept donations because I know how much it cost to have a garden as a hobby.

Now I do not even want to share a pictures with forum after such attack and accusations.

But thank you for asking, Aaron.




You should list all your suppliers so people would know you are not making things up. Once the picture is clear for everyone , who cares about this issue, then you will be on open and clear.
Trust, to my opinion, is a very important commodity when it comes to selling...Maybe you were misunderstood...and that you can fix and go on with Forum life.
You know the saying..."you fool me once , it's your fault. You fool me twice, it's my fault!" 

OK, I respect that...
Just make SURE, you are not creating confusion in Fig World by selling something that is NOT what you claim it is.
And, "abcd" this goes not just for you  but every non-experienced fig cutting seller that is out there trying to make some bucks off of fig lover all over US. Just not fair.
Hope you understand and respect this issue.

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Originally Posted by andreas
abcd you claim to have ordered peloponnisiaka aspra sika and many other greek types with phytosanitary certificate and the cost to you was $5.00 (that is a joke because the certificate it self cost more then youll ever know) but since you paid for it how much was it????
i will not go in to it with you, because it is clearly not worth my time.
however i ask you again and for the last time, and only because you wanted to drag this  out in the forum.
did your supplier show you a picture of the actual fruit?
can you produse a picture of this fruit other then my own?
because if not i have tons of fig firewood outside my door i could sell to you for $1/ cutting.
think of all the profit you would make on ebay!!!



You will be surprised, how many sellers and nurseries want to work with me. Told you – you are not the one and only seller in Greece.  And I am not only into figs. So I can afford to pay for phytosanitary certificate .

 You want me to share all trade secrets with you- probably not.

 By the way if some concerned citizen will report you to USDA selling cuttings to USA , guess how many of your buyers will get visit from USDA- eBay keeps a records for many years.

 It is probably why giorgos-arvanitis

your tween brother on eBay is not shipping to USA anymore.

 

It is his listing:

 

MAYAM BLUE is a Greek Variety that comes from Peloponnese and is know to be extremely rare.  The taste in this fig is very rich with an abundant of seeds and full pulp.  The skins exterior is a purplish blue tone with a thin skin and the pulp has a deep strawberry red color with an abundant of juices.  It has a superb taste of a berry flavor with a rich honey taste to it and very aromatic.  Its leaf has 5 lobes and this fig tree is very resistant and very productive.  It does not need pollination. It has a vintage quality for fresh consumption.

Package includes:  10 Month old bare rooted fig cutting

****Please be advised we only offer combined shipping for the varieties within each weekly bids and we also offer EMS shipping service. You may contact us for the price list

It is the buyer’s responsibility to know their countries customs laws , seeds may be restricted from importing to your country or may be charged a country tax. Please check with your customs agency and/ or post office before purchasing. Upon purchasing this item Buyer accepts the risk of item being confiscated and/or destroyed by customs and Seller will not be held liable for this.

 

Here is yours:

TSELIGATOis a very rare and hard to find ancient Greek variety found in peloponnisos part of Greece that makes a very rich and flavorful fig.  It drips honey from the eye when it is ready and ripe.  It has a bright red strawberry pulp full of juices.  The taste is complex, extremely sweet and juicy.  It has a 5 lobed leaf with and is a very steady and productive tree.  It is harvested August-September.  This fig does not require pollination.

Package will include: 2 fresh cuttings 7”- 8” long

It is the buyer’s responsibility to know their countries customs laws, cuttings or trees may be restricted from importing to your country or may be charged a country tax. Please check with your customs agency and/ or post office before purchasing. Upon purchasing this item Buyer accepts the risk of item being confiscated and/or destroyed by customs and Seller will not be held liable for this

 

 

Almost identical, again, who is a copycat?

You reap what you sow in life.

@ abcd
first of all i would like to thank you for following me on ebay.
Harvey didnt know one of your many other ebay ids... atskor10 aka atskor8 ( sell any other bad mushrooms lately?) 2) you can call ebay and usda ... i have no problem with that. i have not sold to anyone in the USA... CAN YOU PROVE THAT I DID? I TURNED YOUR OFFER DOWN AND YOU WANTED TO GET CUTTINGS THAT WERE NOT LEGAL TO OWN, EVEN THOUGH USDA TOOK YOUR CUTTINGS, AND YOU STILL WANTED TO BRAKE THE LAW!!! AND 3) NO ONE CALLED YOU A COPYCAT... I CALLED YOU A LIAR... AND OTHERS CALLED YOU OTHER THINGS!!!! BUT NOT A COPYCAT!!!
SOME BUYERS FROM THE STATES DID BID ON MY EBAY LISTINGS, SO I CANCELED THEM AND NOW ALL MY AUCTIONS CLEARLY STATE THAT I WILL NOT SHIP TO USA. ANYWAY ITS 1:15 AM SO I AM GOING TO END IT FOR NOW.  ITS UP TO YOU HOW FAR THIS GOES!

Very funny..........
Still a copycat- one of you.

Hello everyone!

I've recently thrown my own hat into the eBay sellers' ring.  Soil and fertilizer are expensive!

I've been selling on eBay (not figs) for many years.  It's mostly a hobby and a fun thing to do with the family.  

I've been buying figs from eBay sellers for well over a year now.  After dealing with many sellers and having sold my fair share of other items, I've learned what I like to see in an eBay auction for fig trees or cuttings and came up with an eBay Buyers' Guide.  I've been working on it for a few weeks and decided to finish it today when Harvey started this thread.  I thought it was appropriate to post here.  If not please let me know, Harvey.

Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings from the Internet

It's definitely not perfect, but I think it will help a lot of people out.  Let me know what you think.

@Danny (NYCFIG) - I like it.

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Originally Posted by nycfig
Hello everyone!

I've recently thrown my own hat into the eBay sellers' ring.  Soil and fertilizer are expensive!

I've been selling on eBay (not figs) for many years.  It's mostly a hobby and a fun thing to do with the family.  

I've been buying figs from eBay sellers for well over a year now.  After dealing with many sellers and having sold my fair share of other items, I've learned what I like to see in an eBay auction for fig trees or cuttings and came up with an eBay Buyers' Guide.  I've been working on it for a few weeks and decided to finish it today when Harvey started this thread.  I thought it was appropriate to post here.  If not please let me know, Harvey.

Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings from the Internet

It's definitely not perfect, but I think it will help a lot of people out.  Let me know what you think.


Very nice Danny

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Originally Posted by nycfig

Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings from the Internet

It's definitely not perfect, but I think it will help a lot of people out.  Let me know what you think.


Danny,

This is just beautiful.  Absolutely perfect.  Thank you, and I hope everyone reads it.

Thank you for the comments.  I appreciate it.

Ha! Abcd... I sent you that after Harvey and I decided there was something off about you.... you neglected to mention that you asked me for cuttings when I was offering them for free and I turned you down and put this post on my offer "This is for active members who have filled out a profile and done some posting. Happy Black Friday!! "
So don't say you didn't seek to be given cuttings...
This was the message you sent me.. Abcd-
Would like to get 3 packages /  7 cuttings in each/.
Trying to get an idea , how to handle cuttings, no luck so far.
I looked at your profile and posting and decided not to answer you...
You make no sense why would anyone ask you who is suppose to be a newbie to sell for them on eBay when there are many people on here with good reputations that could help them.

I have had the same leary feeling buying any on ebay this season. To me it seemed like a lot of dishonest sellers. Granted, I have made a couple of purchases but only from F4F members who have been here a while. It is really sad. It seems the higher prices go the more dishonesty there is/will be.

It so much fun to watch when someone gets busted and then tries spin it to justify it.  Members offering cuttings to other members is crystal clear of the intent of the person offering them.  It's a shame to take advantage of good people.  The truth will find you out!

Your problem is you are guilty and, predictably, think you have to have the last word.  Just watch.

I knew you would respond.  Thanks for the compliment as I do honor integrity.

I do say so.  Just watch.

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