Synonyms to fig varieties

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Aaron4USA

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Hi everbody, I need your all help to complete my list of Synonyms. I am looking for all the "other names" of fig varieties that we are dealing with here. The purpose of this list is to lessen the confusion for fig tree buyers and collectors when it comes to names and the synonyms used for them. Often we all buy things more then once because the fig tree or the cutting was named by the name or the synonym (the other name) given to it. This , by all means, is nothing of a seller's fault but the buyer's lack of proper knowledge of name/synonym for each variety. By having a revised and more accurate version of the list we can all benefit by saving money, space in our gardens and confusion. Please feel free to write whatever comes to mind about names and synonyms and at the end we will have a huge list with all the Synonyms. For example, it can go something like this... Armenian Great White/Petrelli, Brunswick/Magnolia/Madonna/Dalmatia, Black Jack/Petite Negra, Violet de Bordeaux/Negronne, Sultane/Noire de juillet/Bellone bifère/Sultani, Kadota/Pingo de Mell/Dottato, California Brown Turkey/San Piero/Genoa Black in Italy/UCD Germaplasm have it under DFIC 17 Brown Turkey This process will consist of several steps, first names/synonyms, second pictures of fruit and leaf, the third (elimination of wrong and duplicate), then entire list will be taken to respected organizations to compare with their databases and then only then it may be ready to be used by independent figgers and other level of dealers of figs. ** Do NOT depend on this nor use this information during the process , since we all know, it will be very confusing and misleading to most if not all of us.

OttawanZ5

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Posted 1390612706	Reply with quote #2

Search forum for "synonyms" and you will get a few threads on the subject. __________________ Ottawan-Z5a, Canada

bullet08

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Posted 1390612770	Reply with quote #3

jon's db has most listed. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

jake

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Posted 1390613832	Reply with quote #4

Quote: Originally Posted by Aaron4USA I am looking for all the "other names" of fig varieties that we are dealing with here. Please feel free to write whatever comes to mind and at the end we will have a huge list with all the Synonyms. It appears what we are looking at here is what is in the frige. __________________ Jake Zone 8B Crystal clear Gulf of Mexico,White sand beaches,Citrus trees, Large hurricanes,and tornadoes. Wish list: Scott's Yellow ( now have cuttings, Spring will tell)

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390634201	Reply with quote #5

Jake, I have 120 varieties in the frige...FYI (but that's not the issue) I put samples of name and how they can have several synonyms.. ;)

SoniSoni

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Posted 1390655694	Reply with quote #6

I've been jotting down synoyms when ever I see them mentioned. IDK how accurate these are but here it is and IDK how to better organize them. UCD # 0445 = Calabrese Long Afgan A - Caucasus 3 Archipel, Malcoms Super Giant, Drap Dor, and Encanto Brown Turkey BLACK MADEIRA FIG IN PORTUGUES IS BREBA PRETA Brown Turkey, CA Brown Turkey, Walker, Braun Turkey, Black Jack and Blue Giant Aubique Noire, Negro *** California Brown Turkey, aka San Piero or Black Genoa...?? 'Brunswick' ('Magnolia, Vashon Violet Largo, Brown Naples, Common Blue, English Brown Turkey Brunswick, Rattlesnake, Capitola Long, Doree and Red Italian, Magnolia? Celeste (aka Malta, Celestial, Conant, Sugar Fig, and Tennessee Mountain Fig) Calvert- Col de Dame – Maho - Cosenza- Chiapetta Deanna, Orphan, UCR 278-128 and Algerian Watts Delmatie _ Stellaemon, Dokkar, LSU Everbearing, White Texas Everbearing, Kadota and Trojano Dalmatia - Magnolia,Madonna Genoa, White Genoa, Harvey Adriatic and Genoa'Genoa' Green Ischia- Verte, (is not Strwbery verte) Coeur - Verdale - Improved Celeste- O'Rourke supported in the notes, LSU Ag Center, Italian 258 - Italian 320 Jurupa, Excel? Gulbun? Kadota,White Endich, Florentine, Honey, Dattato Latarulla (not Laterolla) Latarulla is same as Italian Honey Black Mountain fig Lemon,aka Marseilles, Dokkar, LSU Everbearing, White Texas Everbearing? Magnolia- Madonna, Dalmatia Marabout - UCR 291-4 Nero- Blk Greek Noire de Caromb, Cuello Dama Negro and Charles Allen, Douqueira Negra Panachee - Italian 256, (per Celt) pinache is Bordisotte Blanca Rimada “ It's a stripped version of either col de dame or bourjasotte”. Paradiso, Monstrueuse and Ischia Green, Genova, Genovese Pastiliere - Rouge de Bordeaux Purple Genca' ('Black Genoa'; 'Black Spanish' Roeding - Capri A Ronde de Bordeaux, Figue de Bordeaux, Précoce de Barcelone Sal's, Dark No. 1 Portuguese and Abruzzi San Joao - Roscoff San Petro -Yougo 7 Santa Cruz Dark - Giant Amber St Jeromes , Black Triana Vista, Mission. VdB, Beers Black - Violette de Bordeaux , Verte –Calverte some say maybe Ischia Green , But Verte becomes more yellow and not a tight eye Violette de Sollies-Black of Bourjasotte, Burjassot Negre, Solliès, , Bourdissot, Negro Largo, Brogiotto Nero, Parisienne, , Negro Largo (Espagne) White marseilles – Lemon. White San Pedro - Italian 372 __________________ Soni GA. 7-8. seeking Galicia Negra, Bianchi Guido, Violette de Sollies, Emerald Strawberry

Dieseler

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Posted 1390660541	Reply with quote #7

Quote: Originally Posted by bullet08 jon's db has most listed. Ditto.

SoniSoni

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Posted 1390672762	Reply with quote #8

I cant find Jon's database of fig synonyms. Could someone tell me where it is. Thank you __________________ Soni GA. 7-8. seeking Galicia Negra, Bianchi Guido, Violette de Sollies, Emerald Strawberry

sammy

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Posted 1390672912	Reply with quote #9

http://figs4fun.com/Varieties.html __________________ Sam zone 4 Thessalon Ontario, Canada.

gorgi

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Posted 1390678045	Reply with quote #10

Jon has the biggest fig (F. carica) data-base on our good earth. He lists both the names and description 'as-is' from the source. Most have synonym name(s) added to the best of ones knowledge. Sometimes, it may add to more confusion, remember that; there are same-exact-figs with different-names and there are different-figs with the same-exact-name ... __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

SoniSoni

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Posted 1390685706	Reply with quote #11

Ohhh I was looking for a list of synonyms. Aaron4USA are you going to try to compile a list of them? I wish someone would for at least the popular ones . __________________ Soni GA. 7-8. seeking Galicia Negra, Bianchi Guido, Violette de Sollies, Emerald Strawberry

Darkman

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Posted 1390704406	Reply with quote #12

Quote: Originally Posted by gorgi Jon has the biggest fig (F. carica) data-base on our good earth. He lists both the names and description 'as-is' from the source. Most have synonym name(s) added to the best of ones knowledge. Sometimes, it may add to more confusion, remember that; there are same-exact-figs with different-names and there are different-figs with the same-exact-name ... AND O'Rourke is an Improved Celeste BUT Not all Improved Celeste are O'Rourkes!!!!! __________________ Charles in Pensacola AKA Darkman Zone 8b/9a Winter of 09/10 low 19 Winter of 10/11 low 19 Winter of 11/12 low 29 Winter of 12/13 low 31 Winter of 13/14 low 19

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390712262	Reply with quote #13

Quote: Originally Posted by gorgi Jon has the biggest fig (F. carica) data-base on our good earth. He lists both the names and description 'as-is' from the source. Most have synonym name(s) added to the best of ones knowledge. Sometimes, it may add to more confusion, remember that; there are same-exact-figs with different-names and there are different-figs with the same-exact-name ... George , no offense but that's an oxymoron, if there are few fig varieties with same name only ONE can be the true name holder. But I trust your experienced judgment so I'm keeping an open mind ;)

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390712405	Reply with quote #14

Soni, that's exactly the format I was looking to find or we all create ;) Lovely job.

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390712527	Reply with quote #15

Quote: Originally Posted by Darkman Quote: Originally Posted by gorgi Jon has the biggest fig (F. carica) data-base on our good earth. He lists both the names and description 'as-is' from the source. Most have synonym name(s) added to the best of ones knowledge. Sometimes, it may add to more confusion, remember that; there are same-exact-figs with different-names and there are different-figs with the same-exact-name ... AND O'Rourke is an Improved Celeste BUT Not all Improved Celeste are O'Rourkes!!!!! Interesting point ;) Love your backyard BTW, but...where are the fig trees man, LOL

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390713074	Reply with quote #16

Quote: Originally Posted by SoniSoni Ohhh I was looking for a list of synonyms. Aaron4USA are you going to try to compile a list of them? I wish someone would for at least the popular ones . That's my intention Soni, i need as much as info as possible. After the list is near complete I will consolidate and edit the original thread, so the world will see the possibilities the Ficus Carica can provide to humanity. Now imagene ... attaching to this, pictures and leaf shapes... WOW! A Complete Encyclopedia FIG! Collectively, anything is possible.

SoniSoni

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Posted 1390747712	Reply with quote #17

Jon has the synonyms in his data bank but it's difficult to follow the trail of synonyms in that format. It would be very useful info for figsters to have a compiled list on hand. Wow can you imagine the potential a forum this large has to compile data? A new glossary, dictionary, or... encyclopedia of figs would be great. Sheesh that would be a big job but would be great. __________________ Soni GA. 7-8. seeking Galicia Negra, Bianchi Guido, Violette de Sollies, Emerald Strawberry

Figbert

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Posted 1390750090	Reply with quote #18

Thanks Soni for the list. It is a great quick reference for me; I wonder if I've bought Magnolia when it was listed as Brunswick. Time will tell. Also can you tell me what vs means? Like Marseilles vs. and baud? I get confused about Sal's also. I am still new here. Thanks. __________________ Growing: brown turkey, sal's el, Black mission, Wish List: Paradiso, Vasilika sika, Adriatic, col de dame's, Lebanese red, abebereira, Binello.Smith, Stella, Zingarella, Adreano. Thibedeau, Adam, Champagne, Greek xx, Rouge de Bordeau, Asali, Izbat an naj . .any great tasting figs...

greenfig

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Posted 1390753194	Reply with quote #19

Soni, Thanks for the list. I found this there: Longue D'Aout/ -Figo Preto Fig I thought that F.Preto resembles the Black Madeira. Why the LdA? __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

SoniSoni

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Posted 1390755075	Reply with quote #20

Figbert, I asked the same question and I was told The V is a man's name and S means "strain" I believe Baud is a a fig nursery in France.The man's name __________________ Soni GA. 7-8. seeking Galicia Negra, Bianchi Guido, Violette de Sollies, Emerald Strawberry

SoniSoni

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Posted 1390755209	Reply with quote #21

I really dont know how accurate this list is. I just took notes whenever I saw a synonym being discussed. __________________ Soni GA. 7-8. seeking Galicia Negra, Bianchi Guido, Violette de Sollies, Emerald Strawberry

SoniSoni

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Posted 1390757928	Reply with quote #22

These are redundant, but validated. I dont't recall where I copied this from, maybe in this forum: "The folks at the NCGR & UC Davis published a paper in 2010 showing the genetic relatedness of 194 figs in their collection. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2860561/pdf/10709_2010_Article_9442.pdf In a number of cases, they found certain figs to be the same at the level of discrimination their testing allowed. There was both agreement with the "sameness" and disagreement for a couple of the cases in the responses after my initial post. There is a ton of experience on this forum with many (most? all?) of these cultivars. I would really be interested in peoples' experiences with these cultivars noted as "the same" and why you believe them to be the same or not the same. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Figs found to be the "same" by the SSR markers are: Adriatic and Lamperia Afgan A and Caucasus 3 Archipel, Malcoms Super Giant, Drap Dor, and Encanto Brown Turkey Brown Turkey, CA Brown Turkey, Walker, Braun Turkey, Black Jack and Blue Giant Brunswick, Rattlesnake, Capitola Long, Doree and Red Italian Col de Dame and Maho Deanna, Orphan, UCR 278-128 and Algerian Watts Genoa White, Harvey Adriatic and Genoa Gulbun and Jurupa Italian 258 and Italian 320 Lemon, Dokkar, LSU Everbearing, White Texas Everbearing, Kadota and Trojano Marabout and UCR 291-4 Noire de Caromb, Cuello Dama Negro and Charles Allen Panachee and Italian 256 Paradiso, Monstrueuse and Ischia Green Pastiliere and Rouge de Bordeaux Roeding and Capri A Sal's, Dark No. 1 Portuguese and Abruzzi San Joao and Roscoff San Petro and Yougo 7 Santa Cruz Dark and Giant Amber Verte and Calverte Vista, Beers Black and Violette de Bordeaux White San Pedro and Italian 372 __________________ Soni GA. 7-8. seeking Galicia Negra, Bianchi Guido, Violette de Sollies, Emerald Strawberry

SoniSoni

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Posted 1390779255	Reply with quote #23

here's another one for you From Hilgardia . Marseillaise Black (syns. Black Marseilles, Marseillaise Negra, Black Provence __________________ Soni GA. 7-8. seeking Galicia Negra, Bianchi Guido, Violette de Sollies, Emerald Strawberry

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390793716	Reply with quote #24

This is going to be an awesome collection of information, have started to put it in a nice format and keep adding to it as we go. I am planning to meet few very important people in industry, I will ask them for their list as well. At the end we'll get this right;) BTW, does any one know if Negretta, Petit Negrone or Negrone same fig? some more list... Plant Name: Other names Vernino Panachee Conadria Flanders Mission Brown Turkey Excel Tena Mary Lane Deanna Verte Beall Genoa Alma Adriatic Yellow Neches Brunswick Trojano Pastiliere Conadria Marabout Ischia Green St. Jean Bournabat Verdal Longue Calimyrna Violette de Bordeaux Kadota 1 Grosse Monstrueuse de Lipari Barnisotte Ischia White Col de Dame Karayaprak San Pietro Celeste Genoa White Dauphine King Native de Argentile Pied de Boeuf Ischia Black Stanford Santa Cruz White Capitola Long Giant Amber Black Madeira Castle Kennedy MALCOM'S SUPER GIANT California Brown Turkey Kalamata Armenian Golden Celeste White Texas Everbearing Sucrette

ascpete

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Posted 1390919967	Reply with quote #25

Aaron4USA, Per my reply to your PM, you can edit and use this Excel Spreadsheet to organize you data, it includes all cultivars that were availible from all the listed vendors including all UCDavis listed cultivars and their DFIC#'s. Just insert new Alias or Synonym Columns.... The PDF is a snapshot of the attached Excel Spreadsheet. They were posted on the forum in an older Topic that I started. Good Luck with your project. Fig_Cultivar_Grouping_Preliminary_9-29-13.pdf

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Posted 1390923879	Reply with quote #26

Aaron, you sent me a PM with a link to this thread so I guess you wanted me to contribute. So here it is: I think this is a poor use of limited time. Two frustrating things about figs (besides birds) is giving an unknown a name and for inappropriately assigning synonym status to similar figs. I see some synonyms listed above that I don't agree with. Enough said. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1390925136	Reply with quote #27

Harvey, you are so right! I noticed a fig in my excel spreadsheet that I didn't recognize. I read all about it and realized I GAVE A SEEDLING A NAME! ME! Myself! "Miss Ranillo," named because it germinated under a Tempranillo wine grape vine canopy. A little seedling that grew in a 3 gallon pot where I had spread a bunch of Black Mission seeds from figs purchased at the grocery store. It's MY name for MY seedling, and it's now about 4" tall. I put some Hardy Chicago cuttings into that pot when it looked like no seed would germinate. One day a baby appeared. It's not a shoot from HC. It could be a Black Mission. It will take years to find out. But, Miss Ranillo is a temporary name. I don't know what the answer is. One of my unknowns is named Wild One. There are no rules, and that is how all these synonyms come up. No matter how much we would like it all straight, it's not a perfect world. Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

ADelmanto

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Posted 1390927217	Reply with quote #28

I have to agree with Harvey. I can see what you are trying to do but I think it has more potential for adding to the confusion than clearing up the already confusing enough world of fig names. It's not too bad if each named fig had unique common names associated with it. The problem develops when common names are associated with more than 1 fig. When that fig is collected, mis labeled, and shared the confusion grows and corrupts. No one has done anything unethical or intentionally dishonest but the error still exists. Putting a list together like this would be like giving Justin Beber the keys to your Lamborgini. You know that sooner or later it will go bad. I trust Jon at Encanto. I use his list as my refrence. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/From-The-Ground-Up-403313193085649/

HarveyC

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Posted 1390929199	Reply with quote #29

I'd like to clarify one thing - Jon's list of synonyms is not accurate either, it's simply what he has found reported elsewhere, in most cases. Jon's list shows Black Ischia has a synonym of Black Provence. I wrote Jon about this before and he said he didn't attempt to confirm the accuracy of the snynonyms and didn't have time to do so or to make all corrections when pointed out. Black Provence has a different leaf form and lacks the reddish petioles of Black Ischia (Ischia Black). I bought Black Ischia from Richard Watts that was really Black Provence. He told me on the phone that he say it was listed as a synonym for Black Ischia and renamed it that. A lot of help that synonym designation was. NOT! __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1390932857	Reply with quote #30

Keep on with what you are doing Aaron, we can challenge the stuff later. This is a good start, and maybe later we can have fruit and leaf pics to somewhat clarify some things here. Sometimes I see a particular fig and I want to match up my leaves with a posting/topic. Will be keepin an eye on this Topic. Good Luck !!! __________________ Armando in the Heart of California

ADelmanto

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Posted 1390932886	Reply with quote #31

Yikes Harvey. I think we're all doomed! Lol! __________________ https://www.facebook.com/From-The-Ground-Up-403313193085649/

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Posted 1390933162	Reply with quote #32

Yup Harvey it came to RW named as Black Provence and he changed its name this is just the tip of iceburg how things can get confused, couple that up with folks passing stuff around then showing pictures of said plant and another poster gets confused and says "wait a minute that looks nothing like my well known cultivar. Aaron types in part - BTW, does any one know if Negretta, Petit Negrone or Negrone same fig? Answer -Negretta is very different. Also as a side note there is a fig given name "Unknown Negretta" by a member which is also very different and in my humble opinion should not have Negretta even in that name yet another instance when confusion can set in. When most of us older folks are dead and buried and no one around to correct mistakes - enough said.

Gina

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Posted 1390934787	Reply with quote #33

Quote: Originally Posted by bullet08 jon's db has most listed. Imperfect as it is, that's what I'll stick with. __________________ WillsC's new fig forum: http://www.Ourfigs.com (and blueberries)

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390935836	Reply with quote #34

Quote: Originally Posted by HarveyC Aaron, you sent me a PM with a link to this thread so I guess you wanted me to contribute. So here it is: I think this is a poor use of limited time. Two frustrating things about figs (besides birds) is giving an unknown a name and for inappropriately assigning synonym status to similar figs. I see some synonyms listed above that I don't agree with. Enough said. Harvey, that's exactly the reason I am trying to do this ;) meanwhile I haven't touch any of the info here yet, just lining them up for editing, hoping collectively we can all put our knowledge together and FINE TUNE the final list. Thanks for the input, feel free to correct anything.

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Posted 1390936242	Reply with quote #35

Longue d'Aout is also known as SLOCAN, MERDOSCOLA MELANZANA. I grow these varieties and they are all LdA. Main crop is tasty.

Aaron4USA

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Quote: Originally Posted by armando93223 Keep on with what you are doing Aaron, we can challenge the stuff later. This is a good start, and maybe later we can have fruit and leaf pics to somewhat clarify some things here. Sometimes I see a particular fig and I want to match up my leaves with a posting/topic. Will be keepin an eye on this Topic. Good Luck !!! yes Armando, as I have mentioned earlier, the next steps to this process would be to add pictures of fruit and leaves , not just one of each mind you... the same tree can produce several shape leaves and fruit.

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Posted 1390938460	Reply with quote #37

I don't believe in the UC Davis DNA test on figs. And another person at UC Davis agrees with me. There is a lot that I do not agree with at all. Especially since some in question, I grow in NC. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Aaron4USA

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Quote: Originally Posted by Dieseler Yup Harvey it came to RW named as Black Provence and he changed its name this is just the tip of iceburg how things can get confused, couple that up with folks passing stuff around then showing pictures of said plant and another poster gets confused and says "wait a minute that looks nothing like my well known cultivar. Aaron types in part - BTW, does any one know if Negretta, Petit Negrone or Negrone same fig? Answer -Negretta is very different. Also as a side note there is a fig given name "Unknown Negretta" by a member which is also very different and in my humble opinion should not have Negretta even in that name yet another instance when confusion can set in. When most of us older folks are dead and buried and no one around to correct mistakes - enough said. Martin, your (older generation's) opinions are very important to all of us. Any thing that will correct a mistake will be appreciated. please don't give me "enough said, enough said attitude. :) you are already giving valuable examples of how wrong things happened and how to stop them... keep up the good work.

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390938738	Reply with quote #39

Quote: Originally Posted by snaglpus I don't believe in the UC Davis DNA test on figs. And another person at UC Davis agrees with me. There is a lot that I do not agree with at all. Especially since some in question, I grow in NC. Dennis, we all should know by now that, a single fig tree will produce several types of leaves and slightly different shaped fruit... DNA test is foolproof, as long as it HAS been done. The question is did they run the test on all the figs in their list!

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Quote: Originally Posted by Aaron4USA Quote: Originally Posted by snaglpus I don't believe in the UC Davis DNA test on figs. And another person at UC Davis agrees with me. There is a lot that I do not agree with at all. Especially since some in question, I grow in NC. Dennis, we all should know by now that a single fig tree will produce several types of leaves and slightly different shaped fruit... DNA test is foolproof, as long as it HAS been done. The question is did they run the test on all the figs in their list! The DNA test performed by USDA Davis is not even close to being foolproof. They did a relatively small sample of genes compared to testing typically done in other species. I am no geneticist but shared the report with a good geneticist friend of mine. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1390942146	Reply with quote #41

SoniSoni, Aaron, Your above lists show somewhere: BLACK MADEIRA FIG IN PORTUGUES IS BREBA PRETA This does not seem to be correct Instead I would say: Black Madeira is synonym to Figo Preto - its Portuguese name in the Madeira Islands and Violeta in continental Portugal BEBERA PRETA is a totally different cultivar Where are you Nelson ? Francisco

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Posted 1390950206	Reply with quote #42

LDA and Figo Preto are two different figs. Quote: Originally Posted by SoniSoni I've been jotting down synoyms when ever I see them mentioned. IDK how accurate these are but here it is and IDK how to better organize them. UCD # 0445 = Calabrese Long Adriatic - Lamperia Afgan A - Caucasus 3 Archipel, Malcoms Super Giant, Drap Dor, and Encanto Brown Turkey BLACK MADEIRA FIG IN PORTUGUES IS BREBA PRETA Brown Turkey, CA Brown Turkey, Walker, Braun Turkey, Black Jack and Blue Giant Aubique Noire, Negro *** California Brown Turkey, aka San Piero or Black Genoa...?? 'Brunswick' ('Magnolia, Vashon Violet Largo, Brown Naples, Common Blue, English Brown Turkey Brunswick, Rattlesnake, Capitola Long, Doree and Red Italian, Magnolia? Celeste (aka Malta, Celestial, Conant, Sugar Fig, and Tennessee Mountain Fig) Calvert- Col de Dame – Maho - Cosenza- Chiapetta Deanna, Orphan, UCR 278-128 and Algerian Watts Delmatie _ Stellaemon, Dokkar, LSU Everbearing, White Texas Everbearing, Kadota and Trojano Dalmatia - Magnolia,Madonna Genoa, White Genoa, Harvey Adriatic and Genoa'Genoa' Green Ischia- Verte, (is not Strwbery verte) Coeur - Verdale - Improved Celeste- O'Rourke supported in the notes, LSU Ag Center, Italian 258 - Italian 320 Jurupa, Excel? Gulbun? Kadota,White Endich, Florentine, Honey, Dattato Latarulla (not Laterolla) Latarulla is same as Italian Honey Black Mountain fig Lemon,aka Marseilles, Dokkar, LSU Everbearing, White Texas Everbearing? Longue D'Aout/ -Figo Preto Fig Magnolia- Madonna, Dalmatia Marabout - UCR 291-4 Nero- Blk Greek Noire de Caromb, Cuello Dama Negro and Charles Allen, Douqueira Negra Panachee - Italian 256, (per Celt) pinache is Bordisotte Blanca Rimada “ It's a stripped version of either col de dame or bourjasotte”. Paradiso, Monstrueuse and Ischia Green, Genova, Genovese Pastiliere - Rouge de Bordeaux Purple Genca' ('Black Genoa'; 'Black Spanish' Roeding - Capri A Ronde de Bordeaux, Figue de Bordeaux, Précoce de Barcelone Sal's, Dark No. 1 Portuguese and Abruzzi San Joao - Roscoff San Petro -Yougo 7 Santa Cruz Dark - Giant Amber St Jeromes , Black Triana Vista, Mission. VdB, Beers Black - Violette de Bordeaux , Verte –Calverte some say maybe Ischia Green , But Verte becomes more yellow and not a tight eye Violette de Sollies-Black of Bourjasotte, Burjassot Negre, Solliès, , Bourdissot, Negro Largo, Brogiotto Nero, Parisienne, , Negro Largo (Espagne) White marseilles – Lemon. White San Pedro - Italian 372 __________________ Art- Western Pa. 6a

Norhayati

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Posted 1390953063	Reply with quote #43

Aaron, This is what I learn/noted from the forum Ma Si Yi = Masui Dauphine Bu Lan Rui = brunswick Jin Ao Fen = orphan I hope this will help you with the list Norhayati __________________ Norhayati Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Wish list: Black Madeira

Chivas

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Posted 1390953387	Reply with quote #44

http://figs4fun.com/Varieties.html http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_site_acc.pl?DAV%20Ficus%20carica The first link fits the criteria of what you are wishing to accomplish but not all varieties have pictures. The second link has unverified synonyms (USDA) Hope I didn't waste your precious time of recreating Jon's Database, please don't send me PM's of just a link to your thread. I can read just fine and if I had wished to participate in it before hand I would have, just because you view me as an active member does not mean I appreciate your spam and self promotion. Good luck with your database. __________________ Canada Zone 6B

Gina

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Posted 1390954690	Reply with quote #45

Quote: Hope I didn't waste your precious time of recreating Jon's Database, please don't send me PM's of just a link to your thread. I can read just fine and if I had wished to participate in it before hand I would have, just because you view me as an active member does not mean I appreciate your spam and self promotion. Good luck with your database. ditto __________________ WillsC's new fig forum: http://www.Ourfigs.com (and blueberries)

gorgi

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Posted 1390955357	Reply with quote #46

ditto. __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390956301	Reply with quote #47

Quote: Originally Posted by HarveyC Quote: Originally Posted by Aaron4USA Quote: Originally Posted by snaglpus I don't believe in the UC Davis DNA test on figs. And another person at UC Davis agrees with me. There is a lot that I do not agree with at all. Especially since some in question, I grow in NC. Dennis, we all should know by now that a single fig tree will produce several types of leaves and slightly different shaped fruit... DNA test is foolproof, as long as it HAS been done. The question is did they run the test on all the figs in their list! The DNA test performed by USDA Davis is not even close to being foolproof. They did a relatively small sample of genes compared to testing typically done in other species. I am no geneticist but shared the report with a good geneticist friend of mine. we are coming back to my point, if it's done correctly, it is foolproof.

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390957320	Reply with quote #48

my my... we have some grumpies here. Anyway,if you have nothing good to say at least please let me continue working on this. I'm sure newer generations will appreciate and enjoy participating to this challenging project. We will, dissect/re-write and re-organize the OLD list which (as several oldies admit) is not entirely correct and is confusing. Thank you for all who keep providing data to work on and being so positive about it ;) This is not to promote myself (after all, i am not a dealer of cuttings nor trees). I want to create an accurate and updated list of detailed database for future figsters.

bullet08

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Posted 1390957424	Reply with quote #49

there is no such a thing as "foolproof". given enough chance and time, someone will prove himself or herself to be a fool. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1390958411	Reply with quote #50

Quote: Originally Posted by Chivas http://figs4fun.com/Varieties.html http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_site_acc.pl?DAV%20Ficus%20carica The first link fits the criteria of what you are wishing to accomplish but not all varieties have pictures. The second link has unverified synonyms (USDA) Hope I didn't waste your precious time of recreating Jon's Database, please don't send me PM's of just a link to your thread. I can read just fine and if I had wished to participate in it before hand I would have, just because you view me as an active member does not mean I appreciate your spam and self promotion. Good luck with your database. Chivas, sorry you look at this entire thing as of my own promotion? Although the information you provided is very valuable, it also is very old,complex and confusing and multilayered. What I want to create is much simpler and easy to read (no guessing) type of chart-like database. One may turn it into a poster or download in PC for better use. The re-done version will be what's latest all about FIGs information at you fingertips :)

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