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This morning I was finishing up the rooting setup for the Unknown Israeli Red cuttings that Rafed so generously sent me. When they arrived, I placed them in bottles of rainwater with just the top two nodes of each reaching above the surface. I left them there for a few days until root initials had formed (a couple already had developed them during transit in the Ziploc bag). Then, I put two into two-liter bottles, outdoors in bright shade, with bottom moisture and a "greenhouse" top on each, cut from another bottle. One is in 100% compost, the other in MG potting mix with extra perlite.


I repeated the same two mixes for the next two cuttings, but these (shorter) I put into peat pots as per Dan's recent posts--but since my plastic cups tapered more sharply than the peat pots, I had to cut down one side of each peat pot and overlap the cut edges slightly to make it fit in the cup. These I put in our screened "Arizona room," inside a bigger plastic jar with the lid partly open to keep humidity high.

On the last one I tried something a little different, because I had been saving an empty tennis ball canister to use as a rooting container. After making plenty of drainage/ventilation holes, I measured the cutting to make sure I had enough room, and then packed compost firmly into the bottom of the tube at the level where I wanted the bottom of the cutting to rest. I then held the cutting in place with one finger while filling the rest of the tube with fairly loose compost, until the top of the cutting was just below the surface. Then I placed it with one of the 2-liter containers in a plastic tub with about an inch of rainwater in the bottom. I'm guessing that, as with the self-watering buckets, sufficient moisture will wick up through the soil to supply the rooting process (I'll just maintain the level by adding more rainwater to the tubs). But, for the cutting I buried completely, I'm guessing that no "greenhouse" top will be needed, and that the new shoots will easily push up to the surface.

WARNING for those who get queasy about snakes--don't read any farther!

While taking shots of the figs, I glimpsed movement out of the corner of my eye and turned to see a fine, fat kingsnake bee-lining for some bushes in the backyard planter. I delayed his progress long enough to get a portrait.

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 Ken...
   A beautiful kingsnake! A big plus for your yard !!   Fred

Ken,

I've been a big reptile fan for as long as I can remember. In the words of the late great Steve Irwin "She's a beauty, Wooo!"

You probably already know this Ken, but for the sake of those who don't, and may be interested - that's the one that most folks call the Desert Kingsnake (Lampropeltis getula splendida). 

I see plenty Kingsnakes around here but they're a different sub-species.

Oh yeah. Interesting ideas on the rooting too ;) . I especially like the idea of burying the cutting completely. Should work. 

Its nice to see other reptile fans on here that was a beauty and so well behaved.

Only time I like reptiles is when they are wrapped around my waist or covering my feet.

I'm very happy you didn't kill that snake.  They get a bad wrap.   I love and respect snakes (I have never had any as pets).

It's really pathetic to me... squirrels are a rodent menace that cause lots of damage in the garden and the home.  Snakes cause zero damage in the home, in fact, they are extremely beneficial to have around.  Yet, people will kill a snake in a heartbeat (out of fear?) then turn around and get angry or irate when you kill a squirrel - maybe even call the cops to report you.

The irrationality of this boggles my mind.


(and before someone argues that poisonous snakes will kill you without treatment ... so will rabid squirrels, and the percentage of rabid squirrels to non-rabid ones is probably pretty darn close to the number of poisonous vs. non-poisonous snakes...)

Jason,

I think it has to do with where you were brought up.
Here in the North we too have snakes but not in numbers like in the South.

I've only seen one snake in Michigan in all the 36 plus years I've lived in it.
It was about 15 inches long.

But I have to agree with you about the Squirrel killing.

Maybe I should toss a few snakes in my yard?

Like Indiana Jones-Anything but snakes!

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Jason,

I think it has to do with where you were brought up.


Which state, New York, Louisiana, California, Texas or Florida?  ;)

I think it more has to do with me being a rational and logical person.  I also hang out with people who are tatooed from head to toe and look like they could be axe murders, but they're the nicest damn people on the planet.

It's often the cute/normal things in life that are the most F*ed up and likely to harm or kill you.  Think about that for a minute, because you and I aren't the most attractive duo on the planet ;)

LOL

Are you asking who's uglier?

Jason,

My point is Snakes are not as common here in Michigan as they are in Georgia. Se we/I react differently towards them.

I'm not speaking for everyone in Michigan. I have my 10 year old daughter that will hold just about any creature. But then again I have my soon to be 17 year old daughter that will freak out if she sees a spider. 

I understand where you're coming from dude. Different strokes for different folks.

Oh, I'm definitely uglier.  I've only been in GA for a few years.  I love spiders also.  Same situation as snakes.  They're ugly as hell, but exponentially more beneficial than they are harmful/destructive.

Glad to hear from you fellow herpers--figs and snakes! A great combo!


Rafed, maybe you just haven't met the right snakes. Most of the kingsnakes I've encountered are excellent ambassadors for their species. Case in point, my wife was recently involved with a church-sponsored girls camp, part of which had to take place in our yard because the nearby mountain was closed due to extreme fire danger. One night, the girls spotted a kingsnake climbing in a nearby bush (about 15 feet from the bush where today's king was hiding), and after the shrieking had subsided they came and got me to remove it. But, after seeing how tame it was, they all wanted to touch it, and the chief screamer was soon wondering if her parents would let her get one for a pet.

Good eye, Bill--Tucson is right at the eastern edge of the California kingsnake's range and the western edge of the desert kingsnake's range. Of the 4-6 kings I typically find in my yard each year, L.g. californiae is far and away the most common--in the 15-plus years we've lived here I've only seen maybe three L. g. splendida, and this one was the biggest by a wide margin. It's actually an intergrade, with some influence of Lgc visible in the pattern on the sides.

Don't worry Jason--I love having these guys in the neighborhood, as do most of my neighbors. The more, the merrier--I just wish they were big enough to eat adult packrats. The only snakes I don't want in the yard are rattlesnakes, which I relocate to suitable non-residential habitat. Fortunately they don't show up very often.

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Thanks Ken,

Now my body is full of goose bumps. LOL

Rafed, not to worry. I'll check carefully for 8-legged & 0-legged stow-aways before I ship you anything! ;-)

I'm with Jason snakes get a bad rap.
Because I do landscaping in rual Florida I come accross snakes all the time and have only been bitten when I was messing with them I'll take a snake bite over a squirrel bite anytime

Funny how this thread has taken on a strong critter related skew. I'm right at home :) .

Ken, It hadn't crossed my mind that it might be an intergrade. Just thought it was a nice specimen. In my area we have the Black King (L.g. Nigra) and the Prairie King (L. Calligaster) living side by side. They don't tend to cross for some reason though. 

On a sunny day in late April I could find so many of these guys by flipping sheets of tin. Plenty enough snakes to make most folks skin crawl. If my neighbor new just how many snakes we live in proximity to she would probably move to Canada. If she even hears of a snake being killed nearby she won't come out of her house for the rest of the day. Poor thing. For her sake I try to keep my herp interests quite.

I could talk snakes & tell you stories all day but I think this is a fig forum ;) .   

Likewise, Bill--lots of stories, but I try to keep a lid on it unless there's a fig connection, as with this one. I will say, though, that I caught my first eastern black king in your stomping grounds when I was a kid in scout camp at Land Between the Lakes. There's a great story connected with the tale--maybe I'll PM you with it!

Sure Ken, I don't mind swapping a few stories. LBL is only about 30 minutes from where I live.

Yes Ken,

There is a fig and snake connection.

Clean and gut'em then stuff it with Rattle Snake Island figs and roast that thing with honey and BBQ sauce.

LOL Rafed! I've never eaten Rattle Snake Island figs but I have eaten Rattlesnake. It doesn't taste like chicken!

I'll bet the figs taste a lot better than the snakes....

You can come catch all the black rat snakes you want and take them back to Arizona Ken. Not a nice friendly snake, but an expert tree climber and BIG! Earlier this summer I saw a redtail dive into a treetop and come out with a six or seven footer who was obviously raiding nests. I find skins more than I see them but they are fast and there is no way I am trying to catching one!

I kept a little ringneck snake in my pocket for a few days as a scout at camp, really a cool animal. Please,send me the PM too Ken, my interest is peaked.

I also just found some eggs in the mulch right under my fig trees! Shall I go take some pics tomorrow and give you herp guys a double dose?

Sure, Brent--Although I certainly won't be able to ID whoever laid eggs in your mulch.


Speaking of eggs, I guess I'll go ahead and post my little scout camp tale, since probably only herpers are still reading.

While spending the summer with a friend in Tennessee, I tagged along to Kentucky when his scout troop went up there for camp. Being a California boy and an enthusiastic snake hunter, I was anxious to see what unfamiliar species I might encounter in this new, exotic land. So, when my friend and I happened to spy that iridescent, gleaming black king stretched out in the sunshine next to a fallen tree, I thought I had died and gone to herp heaven. Lacking a proper collecting bag, we improvised by knotting up the openings in a tee-shirt, and then raced back to the tent with our captive prize. But, when we untied the shirt, to our amazement, the snake had actually laid a clutch of eggs en route! This was unbelievable icing on the cake, and we could only imagine how cool it would be to have, not just Mama, but a bunch of little babies as well!

We carefully kept the eggs in a plastic bag filled with damp paper towels until we arrived back home. Incubating snake eggs is a lot like rooting fig cuttings--they both have to be kept just humid enough, but not too humid--and mold is the Great Destroyer. We were a little worried, because some of the eggs didn't look as healthy the others, and we assumed that the bumpy trip in a knotted shirt had maybe caused her to lay the eggs prematurely, before all of them had been fully developed. Sadly, this appeared to be the case, because one by one, they started to grow mold and die.

So, being budding scientific types, whenever an egg would kick the bucket, we would snip it open with scissors to gauge what stage of development the embryo had reached. This went on for a couple of weeks until we had just one egg left, but it looked pretty good and we were very optimistic about it's chances. After all, it had to be getting close to full term! But, then, it, too, began sprouting mold--and that was all she wrote. Deeply disappointed, we solemnly snipped open the leathery shell and examined the tiny, almost fully-formed snake within. We stared at it for a moment, but something just didn't look right--it was too skinny, the eyes were too big.... Did the mold trigger some kind of weird birth defect?

Then the light dawned on both of us at once: "Hey, wait a minute! That's no kingsnake!" We hadn't been incubating a potential batch of herpetological royalty at all... instead, we'd been nursemaiding a mess of partially-digested, run-of-the-mill black racer eggs that the (probably male) "mother" kingsnake had eaten, and then regurgitated in the shirt when that bouncing journey back to the tent had unsettled its stomach. Talk about getting mislabeled cuttings from a disreputable source--our "Black Madeiras" turned out to be "Brown Turkeys" with a bad case of FMV!

Snake barf and fetal snake autopsy. That is a really good, and really gross story! There is no way I can top that! But I do have a snake story!

I found a baby snake in the garden this year, (next to perfect rattlesnake habitat on our 11 semi-wild acres)  who both shook his little tail at me threateningly, and struck at me repeatedly when I put him in a bucket. He also had the markings of a Massasauga Rattlesnake. We moved him and a few others like him out of the garden, into the woods, for our safety.
 I later identified him as a Milk Snake. These snakes, when found in barns where cows were kept, were once thought to be drinking the cows' milk. Of course, they weren't, but were instead eating the mice in the barns! A great helper in the garden, I hope they come back, but I haven't seen any since this spring. They are pretty shy, more so than the Garter snakes we see all over the place on the property. Very pretty markings, and completely harmless. Had me totally faked out with his rattlesnake action and appearance!

Awwwww so cute - the snake not Ken!  

No way I could top that story, Only thing I can't figure out is why that everytime I capture and handle a snake it messes on me! 

Did anybody else see the Dirty Jobs episode where Mike helped clean out the cages at the Snake Farm on I-35 om Texas near New Braunfels.  I about bust a gut laughing.  Had passed it so many times in the past. but only went in once.  Mom had a real dislike of snakes until she got bit by a copperhead, then it turned into a respect for them - go figure.  She still doesn't want to be around them, but doesn't want to have every one killed now.  And they do live out in the sticks in Texas - therefore the 3 dogs and 20 cats - they don't see many snakes now!

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