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tested ph should i add lime?

I tested my ph with that green multi tester today. Everything was at 7 the potted figs the ones inground and even random areas around the yard. I tried it with making the soil muddy per the intruction and I just stuck in the ground it didn't change the reading. Would lime benefit the trees? If so, homedepot has garden lime powder, but I don't think its the preferred
kind. A nursery has the dolimetic (sp?) Kind, but it is pelitized.

What are your concerns?

I have a Knock off Pro-mix I'm using that has dolomite lime added to make it neutral.  A few on the forum have suggested adding quite a bit to make it more alkaline. If you are concerned, I would add I small amount as a top dressing.

Here is a pH scale

http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/184ph.html

Or you could make a few 3 inch holes and fill with the lime. The pellitized is what the local guy recommended for all.


If you look at the scale every # up or down is either 10 times more Acidic or 10 times more Alkaline.

So A pH of 8 is 10 times more Alkaline than a pH of 7.

I don't know if its a concern. Really. I know I have seen adding lime mentioned a lot and your topic not that long ago. I thought I read 7 was where you want to be. I'm just not sure if it would benifit my trees. I know the guy I bought them from told me to add lime on them and basically dunp a pile on them

I think the problem with any topic, whatever it may be, there is no set rule or answer.

People learn different ways and suggestions.

The soil, peat moss mix, that I have has been balanced at 7. So my goal will be to shoot for that or as close as possible.

A pH of 7 is what I have read and heard.

Dominick ,
Just curious what the knockoff Pro-Mix that you are using is called.

Figs reportdly like a slightly sweeten soil,  7.0 is fine and considered neutral anything above is getting into sweeter soil teritory.
Figs will grow in just about anything.
Hydrated labeled lime raises ph faster compared to dolomitic lime .
I use the dolomitic pellitized which contains ca and mag as well .

So I guess it won't hurt to add a little lime.

I go fossil hunting in Monmouth County once a year or so. Almost all of NJ is coastal sediment deposits. Their composition depends upon the time period and conditions in which they were deposited. I found some info here on acidic forming soils in NJ.-
" Sulfide-bearing (pyritic) Cretaceous and Cenozoic marine and estuarine sediments, depicted on this map, are potential acid-soil producers."

Here's a map that describes the soils NJ.

So that should give you some idea of how much you would need to amend, as you can see there is plenty of limestone in parts of NJ.

Thanks, those maps are interesting. I have to admit though I think I am a little more confused now. I am near Trenton. so i guess that is Cretaceous. I know though that they have added top soil to the property years ago and also 90 years ago the home builder was an electrical contractor and they used all the crap they had laying around for land fill, so when you dig around here you start hitting all these ceramic peices from knob and tube wiring as well as all kinds of other stuff.

Pro-Mix knockoff is called BM-1 at Agway.

The guy there says it's their version- but its nothing special.

Just Peat, vermiculite, perlite, and added dolomite lime

Around here the idea of figs is alien. Don't even ask for soil mixes w/o fertilizer. First question they always ask is "what are you growing?'

I know its probably only close to their mix but even Fertilome is only carried at one place by the coast and its an hour away.

I guess it would depend where they got your topsoil from then. And if there is mortar and concrete in the rubble. 

Question, did you test that meter in something else? It not moving at all seems a little suspicious to me, if I remember correctly the cathodes of those meters can corrode just sitting around and fail to give a reading. If it does not read vinegar then use some super-fine sandpaper to clean the cathode, rinse off the vinegar afterwards with water anyway so it doesn't corrode. Good day to get a wet ground reading!

That type of cheap pH meter will only give you a pH indication......and not a really accurate measurement. The soil needs to be moist when you test it for pH.  All readings at 7 seems unlikely. So check to see if it reads on the acid side (lower numbers) by testing the pH of vinegar. Then check to see if it reads on the basic side (higher numbers) by testing some water with a little bit of baking soda added to it. If your meter still reads 7 with both vinegar and baking soda solution......your meter is broken.

Dan
Semper Fi-cus

I will test it out with the vinegar. I only bought it maybe two weeks ago. I think the needle moved around a little bit in different spots, but they were all in the neighborhood of 7. This topsoil could be 10 plus years and from the now deceased previous owner, so I don't know if that changes anything over time.

A very good topic!


The big question...
What is the right pH soil level for them 'figs' in particular?

I used to think that figs like slightly sweet/alkaline soil (just above 7)?
Somebody else suggested otherwise; slightly acidic (just below the neutral 7)?!

Rutgers Unv. claims that a 6.0 to 6.5 pH is best; at least for most veggies...
It has something to do with the optimal soil-nutrient-absorbing-power-of-plants
in general.
I have seen a (scientific) graph - nutrient-absorbing vs. soil-pH before;
but right now, I cannot find it. 
See: Soil and Nutrient Management (Liming Soils): 

As for me, I tend to just add a handful (or 2) of lime with the soil mix (non-scientific).

One very well known real fig-expert is Chris D. of Belleclare, NY.
He is a big-believer in adding mucho 'granular limestone' for figs.
On my visits, I remember noticing al the white-stuff (1/2"+ layer)
on the surface of all his potted figs...
See:

Also, if used, go for lime that has both Ca and Mg elements in it...


Below is what Joe Morle does. Notice that he invites phone calls to discuss figs. Also notice he is not following any of that "nutrient ratio" baloney. If I grew figs in containers, I definitely would give his method a try. Take a look at how the fig trees are at his nursery:

http://www.figtrees.net/


"I would like to share my 25 years of experience on how to grow fig trees in containers. Container grown fig trees yield as much fruit as those planted in the ground, but they require different care. They need more fertilizer, lime, and water. The best fertilizer to use is one that is lower in nitrogen, but heavy on the calcium and phosphorous. The first feeding is done in the Spring, as soon as you move your plants from their shelter to the outdoors in a sunny location. The fertilizer consists of, 1 part superphosphate 0-20-0, 1 part 5-10-5, 1 part bone meal, and 1 part garden lime. Mix these ingredients thoroughly. Apply the fertilizer by making 4 holes at the edge of the pots, 1" in diameter and 3" deep. Fill the holes with the mixture and water thoroughly. A fig tree, three quarter inch caliber and 4' tall in a 12" pot requires 1 cup of this mixture. One month later you will begin a liquid feeding with a well balanced fertilizer, 20-20-20. Mix 1 tablespoon with 1 gallon of water, repeat this feeding every 20 days until mid-August. The last feeding will be a top-dressing done in October. Mix 1 part superphosphate, 1 part bonemeal, and 1 part garden lime. Make sure that during the summer months you water your trees frequently. Keep them moist and do not let them dry out or stressed. This is why they may lose their fruit. By the end of August you will start cutting back on the water, this prevents the fruit from splitting. You should change the pot every year, going only 2 sizes up each year, until you reach a 24" to 30" diameter pot. At this point every 4 years you must root prune your fig tree. Take the tree out of the pot and cut one-quarter of the roots away, making a root ball. Replant the tree in the same pot with 3 parts potting mix and 1 part organic compost. This must be done while the plant is dormant, either in the early Spring or late Fall. If you have any questions, feel free to give me a call. I will be happy to answer all your questions. Enjoy your fig trees! "



-Giuseppe "Joe Morle"

That's the formula I use.

BTW I just tested my Made in China pH/light/moisture meter

For moisture, I inserted into my moist soil and said borderline moist/dry.
Then inserted into water and said it was pretty moist.

So I try Vinegar and it pins out on wet for moisture- A ha!
Try pH on vinegar and its a 7.

Seems like its working like a charm.
That's what I get for wasting my eBucks certificate on this plastic crap!

So to summarize:
Water is moist and Vinegar is a wet neutral. Got to love it!

-Going to see Joe Morle in a week or so for some more trees.

71GTO,


I forgot to mention one other (NJ) fig expert; (aka.) Bill.
My visit was on our first NE-fig meet.
Bill is famous for his (self-engineered) self-watering fig-pots.
Quite expensive - and yes, I did buy a couple to try myself!
Bill's talk was mostly about potting such pots.
To my best remembering, he used a commercial soil mix, and
also about a 1/2 gallon of (good) lime somewhere mid-or-lower in the pot...
(not sure of exact amount, but it seemed excessive to me!)
[E: Reading the above link, Bill actually uses 6 lbs. of lime per pot]

Thanks for all the info I tried the white vinegar and I went acidic to a4. I went out in the rain and tried the meter I let it is for a minute each time. I got a 5,6 and 7 reading in different areas.

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