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"The Big Kill"....Winter of 2013 - 2014

Thanks, Vivienne.....

Interesting to read about your citrus trees, and very good luck with your fig trees.


Frank

I think I've lost 100 figs in 3-10 gal pots. Very disappointing.

Hello please advise to cut down the tree or not to cut down the tree...that is the question.  My 15 foot Celeste has not leafed out.  Like Frank we had a devastatingly cold winter in Baltimore.  This tree is at least 5" in diameter and is somewhat green when the scratch test is given.  I must say is certainly looks dead but Im not really ready to let it go....

Hello Noss thank you for your reply.  There are several splits in the joints of the tree.  I think your right I should wait and see what happens.  This tree is at least seven or eight years old but this winter was quite cruel. 

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Originally Posted by noss
Hello Leslie,

Don't cut it down just yet.  Is the trunk split anywhere?  There's a good chance that, even if the main part of the tree was killed, it will sprout from the roots (I hope it will.)  If it sprouts from the roots, people tell me it won't bear fruit the first year of the kill.  Don't know why because Celestes are producing fools, but that's what I'm told.  If you're getting green when you scratch it, that's a good sign.  Hang in there with it awhile longer and good luck.

noss


I agree I don't see why so many people are so anxious to cut down a " dead" tree that's not proven itself to be dead yet

Well, there is always the Monty Python approach . . .

I visited a few of the Bronx trees that I pruned back and took some pictures of emerging shoots. They all currently have emerging shoots and bud break. The Bryant Dark has the most growth at the base of the main trunks.
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Nice pics Pete.  Good that you documented the way they're coming back with new shoots.  (minor item:  looks like maybe a typo in the date on the 5th pic).

Also I second (or third or fourth) the advice to not cut 'em down too quickly.  ESPECIALLY if you find some green cambium.  (But even if you don't).

Mike   central NY state, zone 5a

Mike,
Thanks, this will be 3rd year that I've been documenting the progress of these trees.
Thanks for the heads up on the typo, the date has been corrected.

The advice about not pruning too quickly is good, but most of the 2" and smaller branches in these large trees are dead. The Cambium is brown (rust colored) and is visible if the bark is wet. The 2nd picture of the rust colored dead branches is typical of most 1" caliper and smaller branches that are higher than 4 feet from the ground. Since these trees will be pruned in a lower bush form, delaying pruning will only expend the trees limited energy into hydrating dead wood or wood that will be pruned anyway.

Many of the fig trees that grow in The Bronx are multi-trunked, but many have a very thick, single trunk.  I know of two trees that have 6" diameter main trunks, which tells me that they have been growing for quite a few years without major die-back affecting the older wood.  I'm hoping these older trees are not badly damaged, and that they will bounce back to good health.  I drove by these trees and the owners have cut the branches.  The trees look sick.  I hope they ain't dead.

This past winter has been like no other winter that I could recall. From December, right through March we were relentlessly frozen solid!   NYC is rated Zone-7, especially in areas off the Long Island Sound, but we rarely get temps. that plunge into the low teens, or colder.  Most winters, we really get Zone 8-9 temps.  Yes, we can, and do get cold spells, but warmer temps usually quickly follow.  Most winters are moderate with temps ranging from the mid 20s, throught the 40s.  Not last winter!  Bitter cold, with biting winds....with no breaks.  The 'kiss-of-death' for figs.  This past winter, in NYC and surrounding areas it was a true Zone 6-7.  From what I'm seeing as I drive around, no fig trees escaped damage.  All have that toasted, rusty coloration, and that peculiar, "off-colored" look, along the main trunks/stems.  The fig trees just don't look healthy.  But, as Pete documented, most will re-sprout from the base, and re-grow from the roots up.

For us who grow in the colder climates....All it takes is one bad winter, and years of work and naturing gets wiped out.  Honestly, growing figs in large containers is a lot of work and can be a real p.i.t.a. at times, but it's really the only way to escape the ravages of a really bad winter. In ground trees are always at risk -unless the growers protect their trees.   Even protected trees can be damaged by mold, rodents, disease, etc.  It's a gamble.  A cool garage, or temp-controlled storage area can be a real asset when it comes to over-winter fig trees.  My trees died because I screwed up.  This coming winter will be different.  I will take the necessary precautions from now on.

Many here, have told tales of death and destruction of their fig collections.  It's a miserable feeling, a botanical groin-kick, to see frost-burnt damage, and not a spark of green, anywhere, on the prized trees.  I'm truly sorry to read about all the losses for so many growers posting on this forum.  It's a sad tale, hopefully, with a story with a happy ending.

From now on, I will grow my new trees with far more attention to details.  (Growing fig trees is easy...keeping them alive through the winter is the hard part).

Frank

Noss,
Plant the trees on a south wall close the the foundation of heated building (house)

Frank, in ground is the safest place for a fig tree. Have a look at this Chiapetta, just celebrated her first birthday. Planted in an open field with no protection (or mulch) last July... 

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Brent, That's awesome! My in ground Chiappetta had severe rodent damage. They ate the bark all the way to ground level. I'm pretty sure it will come back.

Wow!  So sorry to hear about the losses!  I feel fortunate that my Sweet Diana made it through this winter with no damage.  She's 6 this year and I was thinking of not protecting her from here on out.  I think I'll give it a few more years.

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Pino and BronxFigs-

Very well put. I don't grow fig trees for sentimental reasons, but gardening/small-scale farming/making stuff grow is very much an emotional and spiritual pursuit. It's always been a thrill for me to see a seed germinate, especially a difficult one, or a cutting take off, or to harvest the first fruit/veg from a plant, what have you. 

Good luck with regrowing a new collection.

Arne

UPDATE post#1

5 ft. "Black Mission" has sprouted leaves 6/14.  Stored in unheated shed, but roots were frozen solid when tree (5-gallon container) - was moved into storage.

Note-  I decided to hold onto this tree because after a scratch test, the under-bark area showed a slight yellow-green color.  I kept this tree watered, lightly fertilized, and in full heat and sun.  All the other trees in the storage shed were killed, and showed rotted bark and roots after they thawed out.

So, I got one happy ending, at least. 

Now I have 2 'Black Mission" trees: (one that lived, and one purchased, as a replacement) and "Olympian"...so, I'm off to a good start.


Frank

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Originally Posted by BronxFigs
UPDATE post#1

5 ft. "Black Mission" has sprouted leaves 6/14.  Stored in unheated shed, but roots were frozen solid when tree (5-gallon container) - was moved into storage.

Note-  I decided to hold onto this tree because after a scratch test, the under-bark area showed a slight yellow-green color.  I kept this tree watered, lightly fertilized, and in full heat and sun.  All the other trees in the storage shed were killed, and showed rotted bark and roots after they thawed out.

So, I got one happy ending, at least. 

Now I have 2 'Black Mission" trees: (one that lived, and one purchased, as a replacement) and "Olympian"...so, I'm off to a good start.


Frank


That's awesome man. I have a lattarula that I thought was dead. It had two suckers growing from the base that were 100% dead so I pruned those back to the roots. Within a week of doing that I have a bud that has broken at the base of the tree coming from one of those two shoots that I cut back. The rest of the tree might not make it, but atleast there is life, and I hope it recovers well.

After seeing these trees putting out leaves after a winter like we had I'm reconsidering planting some of my local varieties ( Dago Pete's Italian purple, Kearny NJ White and Black and my Calliope's Red Greek) in ground against the south facing brick wall of the house.

I would be hard pressed to plant my French boutique varieties in ground. For the near future those will be coddled and fawned over all winter in a semi heated garage.

psilva8-

Nice to read that your "Latarula" lived.

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Rich-

I guess the best bet is to plant the hardier local varieties in the ground.  At least you know that they could live through the winters, given the right conditions.  The containerized "blue blood' figs....get the kid glove treatment.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Frank

So happy to read some of the trees are coming back! Mine are still "inching" their way back .

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Originally Posted by BronxFigs
UPDATE post#1
5 ft. "Black Mission" has sprouted leaves 6/14.
So, I got one happy ending, at least. 
Frank


Hooray!  That is a survivor!

Hi Frank
That's great news my friend. Very happy to hear this about your Mission
Coop

Hello Frank! Glad to hear you ended up with a survivor. It looks like I'm down to two trees out of five planted in ground last spring. Two of those didn't leaf out last spring and I doubt they'll be coming up now. I plan on taking cuttings this fall of the new growth I get from the two survivors and potting those up for a few years, then in the ground they'll go...

Hello, to my fellow Fs ....("Friends-of-the-Fig") :

Thanks for all the interesting comments.  This cloudy, "Obituary Column", while sad to read, does have a few silver linings.  I've noticed that while many trees were top-killed, new growth has sprouted from around the base and roots.  The photos of all the hacked back fig trees showing new growth, is nice to see, in contrast to all the surrounding destruction.  That's a good thing.  A lot of your in-grounders will live, and continue to produce ovarian delights.  Happy growing to you.

So, where's all this sagacious documentation leave us?   Hopefully, forewarned, and wiser.  For me, in my case....I will need to be more careful about how I treat my containerized trees after they enter dormancy, especially the period between mid-December, through early-March.  From now on, they will go into my storage shed earlier, and I'll give them a little heat throughout the coldest months.  I'm also thinking about applying a "Wilt-Pruf" type antidesiccant, after trees go dormant.

My ultimate goals are:

1.  To eventually train some nicely thickened, single-stem trees, each having a rack of fig-bearing branches towards the tops of the main stems.... (single-stem, standard tree form).

2.  To have these trees survive, without die-back, from year to year.  Because of my limited storage space, I can't grow bushes, nor, do I intend to have to continually wait for a crop of new branches to regrow from around the surviving roots, each spring. 
                              

I was well on the way to my personal 'Fig Utopia', but then, after seven long years of snipping, clipping, pruning, pinching.... along came, last winter.  The Big Chill turned into the "Big Kill".  The rest is history.  So, I get to do it all over again, only this time, with a few new trees.

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...."And miles to go before I sleep"....Bobby Frost, said it best.


Frank

 Celeste, Hardy Chicago, Black Mission, Olimpia, black Spanish, p. honey, conadria, Osborne prolific, LATTARULA (Italian Honey)  Oregon Prolific, Hardy Chicago, NEGRONNE, STELLA 

I'm In search of Kadota, Brooklyn White, Marseilles , St. Anthony Fig, and LSU varieties...  LSU IMPROVED CELESTE FIG, LSU Gold, O’Rourk, Champagne, Tiger

I got this list of LSU varieties from this forum...  Scott Black                    LSU Gold                  LSU Red                LSU White Honey
LSU Black                      LSU Purple                LSU Thibodaux       LSU Brown
Hollier                           Champagne               LSU #156              LSU Scott Yellow(Brandy)
Everbearing                   Tiger                        LSU # 5                O'Rourke
LSU Improved Celeste     Jack Lily

Anyway, I live in Southern Oregon...  High Desert...  Hot summer days with cool nights...  Cools off in September...

Please aim me in the right direction if you will...  :)
Thank you
Shaloma

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