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The Question Is...Do I have a good fig?

So, let me put my very humble, Mediterranean input into this!!! :)
We all desire to grow our own wonder fruit the "Fig" which grows , originally, in semi desserty environment but we want them so much that we want to grow them in our backyards. Ignoring the fact that the only reason that a fig tastes so good is because it grows in hot weather and lets sun's rays dehydrate it's juices turning it into irresistible little pouch of sweetness and aroma that one might thing is fit only for Greek Gods and Kings.
So we plant them, in pots, taking them in and out and in and out of basements to garages to living rooms to outside and back and forth...do anything in our physical power to make them survive.
There is no such thing as Bad Fig.
There is sun starved, not properly ripened, not well developed and immature figs.
Stop renaming the same fig over and over because it tastes different in your backyard.
Stop thinking that just because your figs taste better it's because of you.
Stop torturing yourself to come up with answers to please others about "Bad Figs".
Secret to good fig is nothing but Climate.
I would say feel blessed to have what you have, enjoy each fig you see on your tree whether its in pots or in the ground.
Did you know that the fig is one of very few foods that balances body's pH. pH imbalance can make us very sick, too much acidity creates malignant tumors. Dried figs contain omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids, which are essential amino acids. They also contain phytosterols, which inhibit the absorption of dietary cholesterol, thus decreasing the total levels of cholesterol. Figs also contain substances (benzaldehydes, coumarins) that may help prevent certain types of cancers. So, the Fig is considered to be an Alcalinic food. Another one is Lemon ;)

Some History Highlights... : 6 Types Of Figs To Try Right Now | Food Republic

Here's a sample of what the "fig" this is all about...



This following is from Los Angeles Times article from past..

Pick Your Fig

August 24, 1995|SYLVIA THOMPSON
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Choosing which fig to grow can be dismaying, what with so many elements to consider in the fruit and tree. Let's lay them out. If you can grow several trees, check with a local nursery for maturing dates of cultivars in your area so you can pick fruit from June through December. Pasquale, for instance, without frost, ripens into December.

I don't believe in giving garden space to foods I can buy. That's why the list below includes some outstanding figs you've probably never seen or tasted but not the commercial favorites: Black Mission, Brown Turkey and Kadota. I must hastily add that there are those who believe that Black Mission, planted by Junipero Serra's padres in San Diego in 1769, is peerless for its quality of fruit, rich flavor, drying characteristics and generous crops. Black Mission grows well everywhere in Southern California but the high desert. Greenish-skinned Kadota, praised by ancient Romans, will grow in very hot climates.

Probably the most unusual fig is called Panache, a very old cultivar. Its fruit is yellow and green striped with strawberry-rose flesh. Even the branches are somewhat variegated. For flavor, I'm crazy about Jelly--the translucent flesh resembles apple jelly because it's almost seedless. Speaking of preserves, the ruby red pulp of Ventura tastes wonderfully of strawberry jam.

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All figs listed have from fine to superb flavor except Panache, which is most dazzling visually. All dry well except Genoa, Magnolia and Panache; Celeste often dries on the tree. All not included in a climate category thrive in the long warm Mediterranean-like summer areas of Southern California. All bear two crops except Desert King, Panache and Ventura.

I discovered many of these figs at the Fig Ranch. There, on a bluff in Malibu, Alice Cunningham and her late husband, George, developed an impressive collection. With good weather, their trees will continue bearing through October. Go and taste for yourself, but time your visit to miss the crowds so you can talk figs with a fascinating lady.

* \o7 Note\f7 : A number of fig cultivars have amassed aliases. One source's Adriatic is another's Verdone Adriatic--or Strawberry Fig. More a.k.a.s: Black Mission/Franciscan, Celeste/Blue Celeste/Sugar, Green Ischia/Verte, Jelly/Mary Lane, Negronne/Violette de Bordeaux, Panache/Striped Tiger, Pasquale/Vernino, Ventura/Strawberry.

* Coastal climates: Adriatic, Genoa, Negronne.

* Colder, wetter climates: Desert King.

* Desert climates: Conadria.

* Especially hardy: Celeste, Magnolia, Negronne, Ventura.

* Short summers: Magnolia.

* Bear especially heavily: Conadria, Green Ischia, Negronne, Pasquale.

* Especially suited to containers: Excell, Green Ischia, Jelly, Negronne.

* Fruit birds ignore: Green Ischia.

* Large fruit: Adriatic, Desert King, Magnolia, Ventura.

* Fruit for preserving: Adriatic, Magnolia.

* Fruit resists splitting: Excell.

* Fruit resists spoiling: Celeste, Conadria, Green Ischia.

* Nearly seedless fruit: Jelly, Magnolia.

Here's some DNA history for more sophisticated ones out there. :)

USDA_UCDavis_DNA_Map2010.jpg


yes, good climate is the answer to the good fig. but lot of us live outside of perfect climate, and lot of us are doing this as a hobby. that means, fussing over the fig tree is a part of the fun. sometimes, people rename a fig for no reason, but that's rare. most of the time, the original name was lost and people will rename them to mean something. for example, Hardy Chicago. that name is now stuck. but no one knows exactly what it was that came in from oversea. Kathleen's Black. the owner lost the name and no one knows what it is for sure. then there are members who will put "Unknown" to indicate that the fig is "Unknown". Unknown JoAnn's Unknown Purple is one of them. Dominick's fig is also a unknown. sometimes, it's good to just put "Unknown" in the name, but sometimes who ever found the figs will put some name to give it a meaning. St. Rita is one of very good fig that no one knows it's original name, also Niagara Black. 

Nice information and video!

Travelling through southern Italy where the soils are volcanic in origin I found the taste of some figs totally different than the same varieties I grow here even when I have provided a favourable location. 
So I think the soils affect the taste and probably other composition of the fig.
This is also true with wine grapes where the same grape tastes different grown on different soils.

soil composition.. i think someone posted about that sometime ago. something in the CA soil working better for the figs. more lime? with container culture, you can add to take away what is needed. 

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Originally Posted by Aaron4USA

Secret to good fig is nothing but Climate.


If this were true,
then how come  "world class" quality figs are grown commercially,
in so many varied climates around the globe ?

Climate is a component,
but certainly not the secret to good figs.

ps.  some of the sweetest figs come from high mountains
that are fairly inhospitable for 7-8 months of the year,
and offer far from an ideal climate.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron4USA

There is no such thing as Bad Fig.


Then why have certain varieties of figs been traditionally
only been grown for  livestock  and not human consumption ?

:-)

A fig with genetics that exhibit poor taste,
will do so in any climate,
even with the best of care.

A fig with genetics that exhibit superior taste,
will exhibit various levels of quality based on environment and culture techniques,
but will always be considered good,
or great in flavor given the right conditions.

 

This is Awesome!!! :)

Eventually we will get this "Fig"in thing right.
Just keep adding input. And, if you like send me charts or video clips or even official documents  through pm and i'll add it to the original post.

I don't think it's soil Pete. UCD is all clay! And figs grow very well there. Soiless medium left in pots for 3 yrs or more, will still turn to dirt.

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Originally Posted by hungryjack
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron4USA

Secret to good fig is nothing but Climate.


If this were true,
then how come  "world class" quality figs are grown commercially,
in so many varied climates around the globe ?

Climate is a component,
but certainly not the secret to good figs.

ps.  some of the sweetest figs come from high mountains
that are fairly inhospitable for 7-8 months of the year,
and offer far from an ideal climate.
Jack: did you know that California is number 2 growers of figs in the world? What you thing the reason for the success is if anything but CLIMATE. ;)

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Originally Posted by hungryjack

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron4USA

There is no such thing as Bad Fig.


Then why have certain varieties of figs been traditionally
only been grown for  livestock  and not human consumption ?

:-)

A fig with genetics that exhibit poor taste,
will do so in any climate,
even with the best of care.

A fig with genetics that exhibit superior taste,
will exhibit various levels of quality based on environment and culture techniques,
but will always be considered good,
or great in flavor given the right conditions.

 

Well, think what you are saying here... for centuries humans cultivated this particular variety of fig to use for livestock consumption, per your comment. Thus doing it's job of satisfying the need to keep livestock healthy and fed. Don't you thing it's doing the job it's designed for?
So, I repeat, there is no such thing as bad fig :)
Case closed!

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Originally Posted by Aaron4USA
Jack: did you know that California is number 2 growers of figs in the world? What you thing the reason for the success is if anything but CLIMATE. ;)


Aaron,
do you just make up facts to support your theories ?

US (California)  is ranked  #6 in the world for fig production,
about 4% of the figs produced in the world.

Egypt grows about 35% and 25% in Turkey.


So scratch another theory of yours.


Also, growing the  "most" has nothing to do with quality
or best growing conditions either.
Usually has more to do with consumption patterns, labor costs
and transportation infrastructure.


Here is a question for you,
if California is the perfect climate as you claim,
why is  FMV so prevalent in that state for figs.
UCD/DAVIS  is a FMV hot spot,
many of the nurseries in cali have the same problems with figs and FMV.
If the climate is so ideal, why does this happen ?

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Originally Posted by hungryjack

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron4USA
Jack: did you know that California is number 2 growers of figs in the world? What you thing the reason for the success is if anything but CLIMATE. ;)


Aaron,
do you just make up facts to support your theories ?

US (California)  is ranked  #6 in the world for fig production,
about 4% of the figs produced in the world.

Egypt grows about 35% and 25% in Turkey.


So scratch another theory of yours. So much anger in your writing, I wander why...


Also, growing the  "most" has nothing to do with quality and here, you just contradicted yourself.
or best growing conditions either.
Usually has more to do with consumption patterns, labor costs
and transportation infrastructure.


Here is a question for you,
if California is the perfect climate as you claim, no one is saying California is perfect, and STOP being so hatefull.
why is  FMV so prevalent in that state for figs.
UCD/DAVIS  is a FMV hot spot, Then why are you still hosting those cutting which have turned into little trees in pots?
many of the nurseries in cali have the same problems with figs and FMV.
If the climate is so ideal, why does this happen ?

hey... wohoooow... no need to be rude Sir...here are some facts... you can read I hope.

readhttp://www.californiafigs.com/page.php?page=18

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Originally Posted by Aaron4USA
hey... wohoooow... no need to be rude Sir...here are some facts... you can read I hope.

readhttp://www.californiafigs.com/page.php?page=18


Rude ?
Sorry you  see it that way.
You asked a question and received answers you did not like,
and were asked questions you could not answer.

Trying to educate you,
guess you're not interested in learning.

Your link does not show or prove anything,
nor does it state cali is #2 in fig production in the world.

 

Nor did you answer my simple question to you about
the prevalence of  FMV in so called "perfect growing" conditions.

Just because you dream/imagine something,
does not make it true.

Hope you can read,
I know I can
http://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/u-s-ranks-6th-in-production-of-figs/


Enough of this topic for me.
Enjoy your figs.

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Originally Posted by hungryjack

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron4USA
hey... wohoooow... no need to be rude Sir...here are some facts... you can read I hope.

readhttp://www.californiafigs.com/page.php?page=18


Rude ?
Sorry you  see it that way.
You asked a question and received answers you did not like,
and were asked questions you could not answer.

Trying to educate you,
guess you're not interested in learning.
I am rot interested in outdated facts, things evolve, change and progress.
Don't mislead me, nor other readers. please.

Your link does not show or prove anything,
nor does it state cali is #2 in fig production in the world.

 

Nor did you answer my simple question to you about
the prevalence of  FMV in so called "perfect growing" conditions.
To get an answer to your question you need to talk to God... why do we have FMV or Oak fungus... who cares. We have them and we deal with them, get over it.

Just because you dream/imagine something,
does not make it true. yes it does ;), read further Sir. 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rozanne-gold/insanely-delicious-fresh-figs_b_1577668.html

Hope you can read,
I know I can
http://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/u-s-ranks-6th-in-production-of-figs/

OMG, did you even read your own report, the year 2009? LOL you are not a wise man...


Enough of this topic for me.
Enjoy your figs.
You will enjoy too, because entire United States and Canada is fed by CALIFORNIA FIGS.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not upset, just puzzled of your vulgarism and animosity.

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Originally Posted by Aaron4USA
Don't get me wrong, i'm not upset, just puzzled of your vulgarism and animosity.

Disagree with your comment about vulgarism, point it out,
as it does not exist.
You're upset because I disagree with your comments,
and point out flaws in your reasoning.


My animosity is in direct proportion to your continued  ignorance in the subject,
as I do not like wasting my time,
which I have done in this thread with you.

Again,
enjoy your figs and dreams.

I'm glad you found some outlet for your end-of-day anger. Good day. Just don't hurt anyone.

I'm not on anybody side, but IMO..... When the plant ( Fig tree in this discussion ) is planted in the best condition ( weather ,soil and altitude ) that suitable for the plant and being taking good care will produce a good or excellent ( depend on the planter palate or taste bud ) fruits also. That's just logic thinking. Disease and other environment factors is nothing we can fully control even with green house.... Still there is chance of that factors will happened. Basically all the fruits tree bearing good fruits unless mistreat or not suitable growing condition. Have a good day......

Regards,

Ong

Jakarta ,Indonesia

So Aaron you make statements that are not true and when that is pointed out you personally attack the person who is trying to correct your misinformation?   Unbelievable......

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Originally Posted by WillsC
So Aaron you make statements that are not true and when that is pointed out you personally attack the person who is trying to correct your misinformation?   Unbelievable......
It's one thing to correct someone and it's another just to attack and discredit, I didn't make thing up here, I tried to write a nice article by using information from what I read on the net other than what same big mouth people here keep saying. Which is not written in stone. And YES California IS number 2 Fig producers in the world. He was all sarcasm and trashing, which really upsets me, actually going back to sample his other comments to other people is all just that too, so, it's in the character. 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron4USA
I didn't make thing up here,
other than what same big mouth people here keep saying.
Which is not written in stone.
And YES California IS number 2 Fig producers in the world.


http://www.novagrim.com/Pages/2000_2011_fig_statistics_EN.aspx


"Turkey is the world's largest fig producer followed by
Egypt,
Iran,
Morocco,
Algeria,
Syria,
U.S.A,
Greece
and Spain. 
"

Oh... Figeddaboudit!

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Originally Posted by alanmercieca
This website shows that the USA exported the most figs in 2012 http://www.agmrc.org/commodities__products/fruits/fig-profile/ I have read that most figs in the USA come from California. California has been increasing production a lot every year and the demand is always greater than the supply. The dried figs that I used to buy came from California 


1.  Your link does not show the USA exported the most figs.
The USA does not even make the top 10 nations when it comes to fig exports.
Here is something to consider from your link :
"More than half of the figs consumed in the United States during 2012 were imported.  (FAS 2012)"


2. Increasing Fig production in Cali ?
Again, the link you posted seems to differ greatly with your assessment.

"According to the 2007 Census of Agriculture (NASS 2009), the number of farms that produced figs increased between 2002 and 2007, reaching 1,101.
However, total U.S. acreage declined from 14,274 in 2002 to 9,739 in 2007. California hosted the largest number of farms raising figs (302) and the highest number of acres planted to figs (9,384) in 2007. In 2012, however, the number of acres in California planted to fruit-bearing fig trees continued to decline, falling to 8,600 acres (NASS 2013)."


Estimates are by METRIC TON
an international standard of measure.


I'm tired of this meaningless argument. I don't get it. California produces most figs in nation, for a change...let's Thank California!
This is my last comment for this subject, all has been said.
Next Topic Please!..LOL

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Originally Posted by alanmercieca
I see that there is a contradiction on that website. 2012 was both an increase and a decrease?

I am seeing contradictive info to this website on different seemingly credible websites + a pdf contradicts it, 






No, you are simply confused.

Exports went up,
that has nothing to do with production,
which went down in recent years.

Just because we exported a bit more,
does not mean we grew more also.

There is no contradiction in the reports.

They have been killing off fig trees/orchards in California
and replacing them with  Almonds and Pistachios
which are more profitable than figs.

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Originally Posted by Aaron4USA
I don't get it.


The first accurate comment you have made in this entire thread
and maybe on this website !

:-)


Someone else put it best...............

"Some talk just to talk, but say nothing."

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Starting to wonder if the long term consumption
of latex causes dementia

;-)

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