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Tiny Worms ???

Hi Remis,
if in the end you run out of options ( all else fails ) take plant out and use sink sprayer and hose off roots system and trunk with lukewarm to cool water and repot in new soil, you can also put new soil on plate with a glass of water in microwave and get the soil smoking hot let it cool down then use soil as it will be pretty sterilized then if you think they might have come in the soil. Im sorry i cannot be of any more help i never had them things before.
What type of plant is it ?

Nelson and jusalda,

At this point, I tend to agree that (most likely) they may
be some kind of a (good? or bad?) nematode. I have
bought some (expensive) good-ones. Also, I have seen
the effect of some bad-ones (RKN) as root-gals.

But I have never seen them squirmy little bugs with my own eyes...

E: Maybe it is time for some professional advice/id,
like your local agricultural extension service (it costs some $$$). 

Just a wild guess.
Maybe, Just maybe could they be baby earth worm/night crawlers?

I've seen some dead and dried up worms with the moss I purchased.
I don't know anything on how worms breed but could there be a possibility that if they breed by laying eggs that they could have hatched when they came in contact with water?

Just a wild guess.

Martin,
They are in my VDB`s cup, I`m 90% think they are nematodes the only question I have is: are they good or bad ? Since I water my plants with rain water I could get them from water possibly. I just puled out my other fig out of pot and I couldn't see any of these tiny white worms.
I will keep this pot separately and see what happens,I `ve seen RNK infected roots mine so far does not show any signs.
I hope I have the good guys - http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pelletlab.com/v5Files/pellet/204592/nematode.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pelletlab.com/beneficial_insects&usg=__7u0EN_6WZQZ05OQZzhb8BHz9q9Q=&h=358&w=225&sz=12&hl=en&start=21&sig2=RaSSb6N_V6MoswBqs-nPKA&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=lqNvouDbaXZxrM:&tbnh=121&tbnw=76&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgood%2Bnematodes%2Bin%2Baquarium%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4TSHB_enUS234US234%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18%26um%3D1&ei=fjdsS7K2EqS2NO6g_MsE

Remis you are absolutely right the tiny worms are about as thin as a human hair and no black heads. I too am pretty sure they are nematodes no Idea if they are good or bad. But like I wrote before I have not noticed any damage to the cuttings yet, they are not drying up or rotting if anything they are pushing out new growth in the moss but no roots. Wish my camera was working so I could take some pics.

@ Akram - you are needing to scroll side-to-side because of the long web links that Gorgi and Jusada have put in the thread.  If they were to use a free link-shortener like http://www.tinyurl.com , the thread could be cleaned up and returned to normal.

As for the worms, it sounds like we have two kinds:

JD's worms with the black heads are pretty clearly fungus gnat larvae

The others seem like they could be nematodes, there are three which affect Figs, please see the UC Davis site:  http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/r261200111.html

Wow what a disapointment, Today I checked the other container I had with cuttings I had some Panache In that container as well and Dark Portuguese I had noticed that the cuttings in this container had more root bumps that any other I had seen so far the cuttings were practically white with these huge mushroom shaped powdery stuff.
Turns out all that white stuff has turned dark brown and seems like those tiny worms are feeding off of them. Noticed one fo the Dark Portuguese cutting has a tiny pin hole on the cutting and when I checked my notes I had the other panache cuttings & Black Madeira in the same container for a couple days Im starting to believe where ever these things came from originated in this Container and then was transfered to the other.
At this point I think Im just going to throw everything out and start from scratch, the good thing is that I had started 1 Panache & 2 Black Madeira in soil right from the day I received them and they seem healthy with no traces of these worms I have been checking on those daily and so far so good.

This picture was taken about 2 weeks ago with my phone and I was happy thinking roots where in the way but still till today no initials just that what powdery stuff that has now turned hard and brown.



Nelson,

For those little fuzzy bumps, this is totally normal, in my experience, this happens often, they are not root initials, and I've been fooled also.  I've had green wood with so many white fuzzy bumps that the cutting looks creamy, then within a few days, they all turn brown.  I don't know what this is, really, it's almost like the cutting is secreting something.  It's been discussed in quite a few threads here.

The hardest part of using the method you're using (or the baggie method) is being patient enough to wait till definitive roots are showing.  That can take, it seems, sometimes upwards of 2-3 months at a constant temperature.  Sometimes it can take as little as 1-2 weeks.  Even with the same batches of cuttings!  But, if you see the little white fluffs everywhere, and you transplant before rootlets appear, then you basically have no idea what's going on with the roots.  It could be months before anything happens under the potting mix, and you see roots.

I made the mistake of cupping up some Hardy Chicago cuttings after seeing little white bumps all over, they were everywhere.  After sitting in cups for almost 10 weeks doing nothing - while all other cuttings had well-rooted at this point - I finally broke down and carefully uncupped the cutting, only to find brown freckles and no sign of roots.  I thought the cutting was ready to go into the cup because of the spots.....lesson learned.  Back into the baggie they went.  Seems it's easier to start roots - or at least easier to watch progress - from inside the baggie.

Jason thats funny you say that same thing happened with my BT-MD I thought it was roots potted it up after 6 weeks I pulled it out of the cup nothing going on I cut off the bottom node 2 weeks later in baggy had really nice 1/2" initials then I transfered into potting mix now it has really nice looking roots.

heres a pic of my BT-MD that I was talking about

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  • JD

Nelson,

Before you toss out the cuttings, try soaking them in water for 24 hours to drown the worms. It seems to have eliminated my fungus gnat larvae. My next objective is to see what, if anything, will happen with the cuttings. BTW, Dan suggested adding some liquid soap to the water so that it is more effective in killing the worms.

JD

Thanks JD good thing I just checked the forum and caught your message. I will give that a try and see what happens, the Cutting I showed above is of a Dark Portuguese cutting the embryos have started turning green and swealing so It seems it still has some stored energy in it. Will post an update on Monday when I get back to work.


Just one more tip to add.  Someone - don't ask me who - wrote some time ago that they use part of a 'mosquito dunk' in the water used to soak their soil for planting to control fungus gnats.  This 'dunk' is a tablet you put in standing water to kill mosquito larvae in standing water pots. etc., you can get them at most hardware stores/garden centers.  I imagine you would need to read the directions and adjust the size of tablet you put in your water.

If you are having fungus gnat problems, either BT (which is natural) or mosquito dunks will kill of fungus gnat larvae.  If you make a mix of this, soak your SM with it to do your cuttings, you could potentially (I have not proven it!) obliterate any chance of a fungus gnat invasion.  Soaking your infected cuttings in this, and watering your plants with such water, or just using a sprayer to mist the top of the soil where the egs are typically lain, could help significantly.

I found this topic by chance when looking up another subject.  I wanted to bring it back up because I recently found those tiny clear larvae in one of my cuttings bins.  I had at first thought it came from one set of cuttings and then spread, but later found it was the soil that was contaminated. 

What I found happening was once these little worms appeared I would first see one or two, and then more and more.  And after a few days I might see a tiny white bug crawling on the stem of the cutting right at the soil line.  After worrying about it for a few days I soaked a few cuttings out of their soil to take a look.  The cuttings that were hit first were completely gone.  No roots, and the bark just fell off because they had eaten the live tissue between the bark and wood. 

Now to the solution.  I soaked all the cuttings in that bin out with water. Then disposed any badly damaged ones or cut off damaged parts.  I then soaked the soil with bleach before disposing of it.  The cuttings were soaked with a bleach solution and then potted up in a new mix that was from a new bag of soil.  So far there have been no sightings of worms in any of the other bins and the cuttings that I saved are growing well. 

The worms are very tiny, thin and almost clear.  They look a bit like new roots, but when I touched the cup around the worm they would start moving.  No black head like the fungus gnat larvae.  I hope this helps others if they come across the same thing. 

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  • Tam

Very good information, thanks for sharing.

Best,
Tam

You all are amazing to deal with this.  Its the only way we will learn. Thanks!  

Nematodes or fungus gnats?

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It doesn't matter.  If that's a fig cutting that part of it at least looks dead.  You need to kill the worms and cut away all dead parts of the cutting.  Showing us the whole cutting might help.

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