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Trouble with RootRiot cubes

 I had great success with RR cubes for a difficult to propagate chrysanthemum.  They rooted well and I potted them but they quit growing and after 6-8 weeks in pots they started dying.  When I pulled them up I had a bad surprise. The roots had rotted and the cubes were soggy even though the potting soil around them was almost dry.  Apparently watering when the potting soil needs it is keeping the highly water retentive RRcubes too wet.   I'm thinking with the RR cubes i must plant them into a medium that retains as much water as the cubes or this happens. Has anyone had fig cuttings in RR cubes stop growing or get root rot after moved into pots?  Now I'm insecure to try RR cubes for figs because of the potential for root rot a couple months down the road.
  Soni

that's one of the reason why i make sure to use same soil mix when going from cup to 1 gal. different water retention rate can cause possible issue. same reason why i bareroot before moving to larger container from 1 gal.

but with RR, i haven't heard too much about this type of issue before.

I never thought of that.  OMG there's so much to consider.  I guess I learned the hard way.  I'm trying to read everything here to learn from other's experiences.
Soni

Soni, I have found that when I put RR cube in one gal pot that not watering
it does best for me. I think it allows the plant to use up all available moisture
in the cube and not sit there after in wet soggy soil. I think it is the same as
first planting a rooted cutting In soil and keeping it to wet.

I had a bad experience with the cubes earlier this year and posted a topic concerning it. I lost 45 cuttings and as I was taking the pots apart the common denominator was root riot cubes and the scion was rotted. I was apparently the only one that had that problem.

I had issues as well Tami

Thanks for telling me Greg, it's always nice to know you're not the only one. I was actually feeling kind of stupid and over the whole thing. The answers I got on the other thread made sense but nothing worked for me and I ended up with a bunch of dead scion!

Tami,  That's really, a sad loss..  Sorry to hear it.   I'm going to try cutting a few cubes in half to make them half as tall and fill the top half of the cell with perlite or a sterile mix. I'd like to see if they will work with less mass of the RRcube.
Soni

I had great success with the RR cubes this spring. Once transfered into gallon pots I only watered every other day with a spraybottle. I also did not bury the cube in the soil but I left the top exposed to the air. I don't really know exactly what made it work but I had about an 85% success rate.

You'll sure know how to scare a guy good. Here I am with about 60 cuttings in the fridge and a new 100 count bag of Root Riot cubes. I know the RR cubes are supposed to be biodegradable but who cares if the rooted cutting biodegrades with it. I'm guessing that whatever you pot up in has to be more water draining than the RR cubes are water retentive. Maybe potting in coarse sand would work.

 I'm really frozen now with indecision. One thing I know I will not put all my cuttings in the RR. I guess I'll use a couple different methods.

This is not good news,

I have several varieties rooting right now...

I used these RR on the Blanche de Sable cuttings and are now worried about them :(

As I said in an earlier post, I was the only one that had those issues and now I find Greg did as well. There were tons of people that had a really good experience.

I have about 100 cubes left so, in spring I will probably try them again but on a much smaller scale. In all fairness not all of my root riot plants failed in fact I put one into a 5 gallon bucket yesterday and could still feel the cube. I wonder how long it takes them to biodegrade?

I had the root rot  problem with chrysanthemum cuttings. Seeing you and Greg had it with figs confirms my fears but I got 2 wonderful potted figs from a member who started them in RRcubes, so the problem must be the soil and  management after moving to pots. 
Soni     

I was talking to another member and it was suggested that keeping them in cups longer until the roots go crazy may be the answer. It would make sense. I am a huge fan of rooting them and transferring to 1 gallon immediately. With our avarage 75% humidity it works BUT possibly not with the cubes.

The cubes my mums rotted in were still as solid as they were new after a couple months. Actually tough to tear open   

You're right Soni, the one I just potted up was still there and spongy just like new. I would really like something that truly biodegrades and a lot faster than that.

Has anyone used rockwool? It looks kind of scary to me but I'm interested!

Thinking back, when I planted the cubes into pots i made sure to cover the top of cube with soil .  so it wouldnt dry out too fast,  maybe that's  the problem ?    did you cover the tops of cubes when you potted them?     Newnandawg said he kepp his open to the air and had no problems.

No, I had them at soil level. That's how I was able to see and feel it on the one yesterday.

   Sorry to hear about the various problems that members are having with RR cubes...this is my first year using the cubes and the only difference in method that I can see is that I water my cubes thoroughly while in the RR tray, and then I do the same(every day) when they are uppotted to 1gal.pots(50/50 mixture of Promix HP and Agway pine bark mulch)...my theory is that the cubes and roots are already used to being saturated with water, so I continue the same process when they are transfered into soil mix(I bury my RR cubes completly in soil)...so far this season I have rooted about 250 cuttings with 90%+ success rate...I have noticed that the cuttings that didn't make it seemed to have died because they didn't receive as much water as the other uppotted cuttings, and as a result they dried out and died...I just stumbled across this method by trial and error, because the RR system don't really come with any detailed instructions of how to take the cuttings through the entire process from cube to pot, etc...I know that other members are having success with the RR system using almost the exact opposite method from what I have described, but as for me I have to stick with what works for me.

Vince,
That's exactly right. We each have to find what works for us in our particular environment. I am just going to make sure when I try them again that all my eggs are in several different baskets if you will :)

Back when I thought there was only dark or green figs,  I use to stick fig cuttings into plain old dirt and probably had 7 or more out of 10 take.  That wouldnt be satisfactory for rare and expensive cuttings but makes me wonder how much does paraphenalia improve success in the big picture. 
Soni   

Vince, perhaps it is what the newly rooted cutting becomes accustomed
too. I only add moisture to the cubes while in the tray when they turn
light brown again. When I pot them, I use a more watering retaining
mix (UPM) than you do, so I give them less water in the beginning for
the next several weeks until I see them needing more. As stated, you
have to find the process that works best for you. For now, I am sticking
with the cubes. My latest batch looks so healthy and green and really
growing.

Mike...I saw your pictures of the Root Riot cuttings that you propagated earlier in the season and they looked great...the method you have chosen seems to work very well for you...I'm not sure why different methods work well for some members and not for others(maybe it has to do with the micro-climate in each of our growing areas), but I certainly believe that you have found the right one for you...good luck with all your figs.

Keep em wet - Keep em dry!

Cover them - don't cover them!

Use a humidity dome?

How much water in the bottom tray?

It is funny how there were no instructions included on some of the RR packs. I guess if they don't give you directions then it can't be their fault! :)

Still confused but then again I always have been!

Charles

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