While helping Jon with his website (http://www.figs4fun.com) I was amazed to read this in the 'More Info' link of the Dr. No. 1 Portuguese;

Preliminary DNA testing by USDA / UC Davis indicates that Dark No.1 Portuguese is the same as the Sals and Abruzzi varieties in their collection and very closely related to Hardy Chicago (reworded so it makes sense).

Testing has also found Vista Mission is the same as VdB per a previous post. Cool!

Jon, when new testing is available you should post it here.

Sue

That's very interesting,
I obtained the Dark portuguese from an old portuguese man that brought it stright from Portugal over 30 years ago.
It always tasted different for me than sal's and chicago hardy.

 Svanessa--From Your Sentance i can deduct that Sal (Gene),is not exactly like Hardy Chicago,but is close related.!!!!.
Is That make sense to you?
If yes then all the talk about Hardy chicago being Sals (Gene strain,was not true).
And That is what my opinion was at the time.
They have only Sal's Gene strain,and that is what they studied.

Hi Herman,

Yes according to preliminary testing the Sals at UCD is the same genetically as the Abruzzi and Dr. Port. that they have. Did the Sals originate from Gene? It is closely related to the Hardy Chicago but not the same.

As Jon mentions it is preliminary data but exciting that they are doing genetic testing. I'm hoping to find out more when I go with Jon to Davis in Sept.

Bass is your Dr Port the same as the one at UCD and the one Jon has? If different, I'd like to get a cutting from you next year if possible. I have a "dark' purple Port to trade. It too was brought over from Portugal many years ago. The guy who brought it has since returned to Portugal after selling the home with the tree he planted to my boss. I'm constantly raiding his backyard! ;-)

Sue

Yes:Gene was the last one having it,then Jon,and Doctor Leon,in New Mexico aquired it ,and from there it spread in the last three years.
Well,Before Gene,Doctor Leon Had it,but lost it due to moving.
Dr. Leon,had it from another doctor in Rhode Island or Conecticut.
I am talking about the Sal's that a lot a people say it is not true Sal.
There is another Sal's that Edible Landscaping sold,and later the owner tought it is  the same fig,as Hardy Chicago.
OF course we know,now, after Genetic testing,that,it is very similar but not the same.
And there is Sal's Corleone that UCDAVIS do not have it yet.

From what I understand from Herman's post and others there are four types of fig trees floating around that are called Sal's fig.

1.  The one Gene was the last to have, and that Jon and Doctor Leon has.

2.  The one from Edible Landscaping.

3.  The one called Sal's Corleone.

4.  The one that Mr. Robin sells.

I received Sal's cutting from Herman and from Gene.  I always thought that the cutting originated from Edible Landscaping.  If the above list is correct could the Sal's come from #1 Dr. Leon?

Vern

Vern:Your Sal's come from Leon Yes.
I asked Leon about Sal's Cutting in trade for other fig I had.
He said:Yes I have a small one ,but do not have cuttings from it because it is too small.
But I will talk with a friend of mine that have cuttings from my Sal's that i had and lost when i sold my house.I got my young one from him too(he said).
So he aquired cuttings from his friend and sent it to me.
Those cuttings were from the tree multiplied from cuttings received from the original tree in Rhode Island or Conecticut area ,I am not sure.
Hope this will help.

Herman thanks for the information.

Vern

Sue,
Jon got Dark Portuguese from me. I'm not sure if UCD got it from Jon or if it's a different variety they call dark Portuguese. Cuttings might be possible by this fall or next year.
herman,
Did you sell your house and move recently?

This is my take on Sal's Fig:

As of  ~1-2 years ago, ALL Sal's figs discussed on the GW/FF (including  one
of  mine, (org)Jons, and UCD's), had originated from EdibleLandscaping (EL),
via Gene (mostly).

EL (nowadays) ships BOTH  their Sal's and HC as 'HC' (ask Henry!!),
because they think that both parent trees are the same (other people may differ).
Sooo now, one may never know what he/she buys/gets (aka,  Sal/HC confusion)...

There is a dispute about Sal's origin; it is either from some famous  fig
guy in CT or BelleClare? (my BC Sal's came with a  'orig ' qualifying
claiming phrase).

BelleClare (#31) is a totally different fig monster from EL's...

There are many  Italian/Sicilian people that go with the  name of SAL
(a-multiple-self-fig-naming-issue!).

Vern:
James Robin's 'Black Sicilian' fig's description is almost word for word
as BC#31; but I doubt it too (ask Leon!!); fruit pic looks different!

Re plant DNA tests:
It seem  very 'preliminary' to me , and I am not sure if it is an EXACT
science yet.  I still have my doubts. Although Vista Mission and VdB
 'now' do look 'somewhat' similar, so far, I would have never considered
them  as  exactly same (yet).

George (NJ).

UCD Dark Portuguese is from me, which was from Bass.

jon, if you put a Dark Portuguese and a Sals side by side, can you tell the difference by leaf or by fruit? 

Anyone else with the two out there, can you do the same thing. 

Its not that I mis-trust genetic testing, but human error is always a possibility when doing testing.

~Chills

Vern and Herman,

In the past Leon has asked for extra Sal's cuttings from my EL-Sal's a few times so he could pass them on to others.  These he sent on to Herman, Jon and others.  So Vern your #1 and #2 Sal's are the same. 

A few years earlier he had given me a Sal's that had come from another doctor in MS (?), who had gotten his from Ray Givan.  I'd given that one away however and could only send him cuttings from the EL tree.  Later he wrote that he was sure that the EL Sal's from me and his earlier Sal's from Givan were the same.

Her you go:Now Gene explained everything.
On the other hand Edible Landscaping did not have the practice of considering Sal's and HC,the same,for a long time.
First they sold them as two distinct cultivars,and only later they start mixing them up.!!!
So Gene Fig is very probabil to be a Sal,and not a mix.
Best Regards

What a confusing puzzle regarding Sal's.  (I don't yet have Sal's but its on my list...)

I'm actually getting myself into a similar puzzle. I traded cuttings earlier this year getting Quantico and Marseilles from one trader and I should have made better notes about whom they came from.  (so I could ask, is it Marseilles (regular) or Marseilles VS (aka Black)).  The mystery isn't critical yet as I just recalled these were in my refrigerator and I have just set them out to root. 

~Chills

Dan,
I still don't think it's the same tree. especially that I obtained the tree from portugal, and the other is from Italian. In comparison to the sal's that I got from Herman, it got different leaf shape.