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VdB, Blk Mission, Vista and Negronne all be the same

 I'm reading lots of past posts and repeatedly see mention that VdB, Blk Mission, Vista and Negronne may all be the same.  Of the 18 varieties of cuttings in my greenhouse, these are the only varieties looking weak and drooping.  That sure seems to substantiate them being one and the same, or very closely related.  I'm a newbie and this may be old stuff but it's news to me. :-) 
Any advise on how can I get them to perk up before they die?
Soni

Violette de Bordeaux and negronne are very similar and possibly the same. Vista dn black mission are similar but not the same as negronne or vdb. Hope that helps.

 Thanks Bass,   I was jumping to conclusions.   lol   bad science

more detail on "weak and drooping" might help to determine what's going on. are they in that condition while the pot/container/cup is still heavy? is the container dry? is it out in the sun/shade/indoor? under watering and over watering can show same problem. if the cutting/plant has been regulary over watered, it's possible the cutting is rotting under the soil. lately i have seen lot of gnat larva attack also on the forum.

They were still in the clear cups. Yesterday I potted them into black pots thinking they dont like light shining on their roots through the clear cups.... :-)   more than likely they were over watered, the cups were heavy and sand/ perlite mix was heavy and damp.  I cant get it through my head why figs can be rooted in water but dont like wetish soil.   They were in a greenhouse that is under a porch, and they are in the shade of the porch now, no direct light.

i don't like using sand in the soil. not that there is any problem with them.. just that with added weight, i can't tell when the pot is dried up. if it was just up potted, i would leave it alone and just monitor it. if you disturbed the root while moving it to black container, it might have taken some stress. with only sand and perlite in soil mix, i doubt that will hold enough water the cause any serious issue. i have succulents in peat moss, perlite and sand in 3:2:2 mix. i check the water level by sticking in a wood stick to see how wet it is every few days. that thing usually dries up within 3 days. and i typically water it every 5 days.

My Violette de Bordeaux in a 4 gallon pot which is about 3 years old (given to me from a member last fall) will have droopy or curled up leaves if I leave it in direct sunlight. I now have it in a spot that gets morning sun but shaded in the afternoon and the leaves are fine now. I've read others have this issue with VdB also.

Thanks to everyone for the good info.  
Tylerj your advise was just in time for I was going to move my little primma donnas to a location with more sun.  That might have finished them off.
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Soni    Brooks, Ga 8a

Vista mission is genetically the same as vdb according to Jon.

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