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Thanks for the comments and pictures Jon and Martin. Very dark fig, nearly black with a raspberry taste. What EL is selling labelled VdB anyway (I checked my receipt). The first leaf picture is the EL Osbourne, orange fig with yellow pulp.

Scott

For those interested here is what is mentioned in book about Vdb and Negronne type figs . Im sorry but i saw no pictures about this particular type.
Its good read about all the figs that are described in this book .

THE FIG:

ITS HISTORY, CULTURE, AND CURING

 

A DESCRIPITIVE CATALOGUE OF THE KNOWN

VARIETIES OF FIGS.

GUSTAV EISEN, Ph. D.

WASHINGTON:

GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE.
1901
 

Negrone

Negronne. —Size medium to below, 2 by 1 3/4 inches, pyriform, tapering
with a distinct, slender, variable neck. Stalk distinct, long: stalk and part of
neck bent over and rising in a curve upward, where the fig hangs down.
Ribs few, distinct, disappearing on apex, which is rounded; eye small, closed;
scales few, large; small iris. Skin smooth, except for the ribs; color deep
violet-black; pulp fine, dense, with small seed: meat violet-white, pulp brownish
red to amber with violet flush: inner scales ocher yellow. Tree a strong
grower. Leaves long, about 9 by 6 inches, very deeply lobed, the middle lobe
being much the longest: three deep large lobes and two shorter ones near the
base of the leaf. Under side rough. A very good little fig. It is not identical
with the Violette de Bordeaux, as suggested by Barron. This latter fig has
small leaves, otherwise the fruit is very similar.
 
Violette de Bordeaux.—Small. 2 inches long by 1 1/2 inch, pyriform. tapering- no
distinct neck, but with long stalk, which is bent over. A few shallow ribs,
especially distinct on neck above cheeks; eye very small, closed: scales yellow;
skin rugose, slightly downy, of a violet-black color, with a distinct and fine
blue bloom, confined to the neck, ending sharply halfway to the equatorial.
Pulp fine, dense, brownish salmon; meat violet-white not rich: leaves trom 5
to 7 inches long, 3 deep, narrow lobes outside of spurs. Very similar to
Negrone, but has smaller leaves.
 
 

Sal,

I sent you an email regarding the plant.  That plant came directly from EL and was not propagated.  Would be curious to see how it does with time.

Thanks Tony for your response. I was hoping you had mother plant to compare.I did email you back also. I will let you know next season unless things change this season


Eisen book at Fig Link 270

Let's see if I can answer all the questions. I was away selling at CRFG Festival of Fruit  Friday and yesterday so got a little behind (figs and bananas).

Martin, didn't know that the bar was a high as it was when I used it - it was just what I liked and wanted more of. Yes, it turned out to be a high bar.

Ottawan, I find that the ones in pots seem to have less color overall, often more cream colored at the stem, and smoother skinned  That may be de to a lack of maturity, but I frankly don't remember what my Vista/VdB looked like when it was a juvenile. They don't show a lot of color till the begin swelling and ripening.

Apoist, gorgi, All I can say is that environmental factors and interchanging of names and varieties are probably responsible for many of the similarities and dissimilarities that we see in leaves. They are quite variable on the same tree, and given different soil, climate, etc as mentioned above may exaggerate or express leaf styles not seen else where, even if from the same parent. I have a Vista (officially Vista OL, for odd leaf) that had only single lobed leaves for a couple years. I thought I had mislabeled it until a side branch expressed the usual 3/5 lobe leaves. This season all leaves are 3/5 lobed, as normal, but it had no fruit. My Raspberry Latte has single and deeply crenelated 5 lobe leaves, some branches one way, some others, and they sometimes change back and forth in the same season or different seasons.

All of the Negronnes, Vista, VdBs, Beer's Black, etc, etc, etc. has very similar leaves, that seem distinct from any others, and the fruit is all similar or close. Are they all the same, or just very closely related? Only a bunch of $ for DNA testing will settle it, and even then environment is still the major factor.

Paully,

Dauphine (SP type) is really nice this year. Pratt Purple has dsuddenly matured into a nice fig. Samoa Sunshine (aka Yellow Unknown FN), was a surprise last season, and I have good expectations for it. I have a couple new seedlings with first fruits this season that are very promising (need to learn when they are ripe), incl one with an interesting breba behavior, that I will know more about in a few weeks, hopefully. Lemon was impressive last year, and has not ripened this year. Violette Dauphine has been late ripening until this season, and is among the early ones, and a great fig. Strawberry Verte is less sweet, but a nice fig, and heavy bearer. Col de Dame is a winner. White Adriatic (can't remember from which nursery, right now) had the best breba I have ever had (most are yucky here) last season, but none this season. Had my first Fico Piedmonte today (Belleclare) and it has very nice. Similar to Marseilles VS or Maryland Berry (aka BT-MD). Panache and Black Madeira are still awesome if you have the heat and long season they require. Hey, a list of 10 leaves out way too many. And flavor is not everything. If it doesn't ripen in you climate, it is still a "zero". If it doesn't have much crop, a "10" for flavor might not be worth the space. Ranking is dependent on many factors besides taste in many parts of the country (and other countries such as our neighbor to the north),

Jason, re: size difference. The first, and most important thing to learn/remember about figs is this: "They respond to anything and everything in their environment." This means weather (in general), length of season, temps during the season, temps when ripening, water (amount [overwatering, underwatering, inconsistent watering, drip, flood, hurricane, etc.], frequency, salinity, dissolved minerals, whether from rain or irrigation, time of year of rainfall, etc.), fertilizer (type, frequency, inorganic, organic, salt concentration in manures, etc), soil type (clay, loam, etc), whether in-ground or in-pot, sunlight/shade percentages, breed of neighbor's dog (or you dog, or lack thereof) if he is peeing on your trees, caprification, and anything else that enters their environment. This was the only real pearl of wisdom I took away from a lecture from a guy that has been growing figs about 40 years more than I have. (I am sure there were others, I just didn't retain them.) It seemed a "little" exaggerated at the time, but becomes more true every season. Sybil of Paradise Nursery did not recognize her figs when grown at my location. It is part of the mystery and FUN of figs. To some extent, you never know what the next season will bring.





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