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Looking to get the following blackberries ( Shawnee, Navaho, Triple Crown and/or Arapaho).  Does anyone here for any for sell or would be interested in trading for figs?
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Hi Cathy,

there are many nurseries in Texas which sell blackberries cheap.  Usually around the beginning of the year, they should be available as bare rooted small plants.  I don't know how close you are to the Austin area.  Bloomer's in Elgin has 4-6 varieties (including 3/4 you mentioned) every year for the past many that I have been going.  Also, I've ordered from Legg Creek Farm (once) and had good results.  I would try them again.  There are some that I want to try (along with other fruit trees) at Womack Nursery.  I am planning on putting an order with them this fall.  I wanted to order 'Kiowa' last year, but didn't get around to it.

~james
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Hi James,
Thanks for the recommendation of Elgin's.  I'm only about 100 miles from Austin, so that is doable.  Do they have a good reputation of labeling their products correctly?
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Kiowa is a great blackberry for the south. It is a very large (one of the largest) and super productive low chill blackberries. It is patented and the University of Arkansas which bred this variety gets a small royalty from sales.

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I forgot about patents, what are the limitations on propagation? Just commercially or for private use as well?

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Whatever the UOA gets from the royalties of their patented blackberries isn't very much as bareroot plants are very cheap. I don't know anything about the limitations. I do know that Kiowa (a relatively new hybrid) is a great blackberry for the south and one that should be considered in any planting. 

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typically there is about a 25 cent up-charge for royalties.  I do not know their reputation, but they seem to care (and know) more than most nurseries about what they sell.

how many blackberry plants were you wanting?  We could discuss splitting an order from Womack's.  I am NE of Austin in Granger.
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It looks like Shawnee's patent expired but the rest are active. I happened across UofA's licensed retailer page for others looking for some BB's.

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i meant to say 25cents + up charge.
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Hi James,

I really only have room for 6.  After much decision, my husband finally gave in to allow me to get blackberries, providing that I don't put them in the ground.  He remembers the horrors of rambles in Louisiana when we lived there.   I have 6 very large pots (45 gal) so I'll put 1 plant in each pot and hope for the best.  
Is anyone growing them in pots?

Do critters (raccoons) steal more blackberries from plants without thorns than those with thorns?  

Dan - Not sure why I overlooked Kiowa but I'll go back and read up on them.  I think I was shooting for erect thornless blackberries and then decided to get 1 other variety.
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My 1st post to this board..  but couldn't help to comment on this older thread..

I can personally recommend the following Nurseries for Blackberries and Raspberries and others..

Simmons Plant Farm  
http://www.simmonsplantfarm.com

Pense Family Nursery(s)  (All of the Alcasoft domains are Pense relatives)
 http://www.alcasoft.com/pense/

Arkansas Berry and Plant Farm 
 http://www.alcasoft.com/arkansas/

Boston Mountain Nurseries
http://www.alcasoft.com/bostonmountain

Bramble Berry Farm
http://www.alcasoft.com/winfrey

all of these are located in Arkansas & have great prices.
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Thanks for posting and welcome to the forum.
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Cathy, 

How'd your blackberry in the 45 gal pots project turn out?
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I just got rid of 40 foot of triple crowns 3 weeks ago.
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I just got rid of 40 foot of triple crowns 3 weeks ago.


Why??? I love my triple crowns. texascockatoos are you still looking for one? I have 3 ready to go PM me if interested.
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Blackberries grows like a weed here in Idaho! I don't know what they are but it is very hardy (seeing that I live way.....up here in the frigid north). I could dig up a bunch!!! They are sooo good they taste so sweet, smells perfumed when berries ripe.
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Blackberries are allotted 100 feet here and I did have equal parts of Ouachita, Natchez and Kiowa.  For me in central Florida on my ground the Natchez and Ouachita were a bust.  They grew great and produced but the fruit was just not good.  Kiowa on the other hand while thorny has very large sweet good tasting fruit.  I have ripped out the other two varieties and will just grow 100 feet of Kiowa.  
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Why??? I love my triple crowns. texascockatoos are you still looking for one? I have 3 ready to go PM me if interested.


@Calvin
Very limited space, had to chose to keep blackberries or take them down to make room for more fig varieties. i took out 30 foot of yellow raspberries too. fall gold. i am planting a fig hedge at both locations come spring. And the friend that i got the plants from live just a few doors dorn with 2 100+ foot arbors, i can still get em whenever.
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Chiming in on this thread again..

I have 1st year plants of the following:

(thorny)
Kiowa
Chicasaw

(thornless)
Apache
Arapaho
Ouachita
Natchez
Triple Crown

Nova & Heritage Raspberries


Coming in 2013...

Prime Ark 45 root cuttings to be planted in spring
Lawton & Lochness, Snowbank, and Nettleton Creamy, Blackberries
Anne, Autumn Bliss, & Jaclyn Raspberries


I am keenly interesting in obtaining....
Silvan Blackberry
Bedford Giant Blackberry
Karaka Black Blackberry
Ruben Blackberry

I'd take some root cuttings of Triple Crown to supplement what I have planted
 ( my father in law accidently mowed down my triple crowns)  any traders?
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Nice selection. I have one each of Prim Jim/Jan/Ark-45. Nice upright growth. Nasty thorns though. Fruit is decent, not as good as the trailing cross berries like Marion/Ollalie/Boysen.
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Blackberries won't deal with the desert heat, but I have so many memories of my grandpa growing them next door when I was a kid.  The worst part was the poison oak.  You really had to be careful picking those berries.  My little friend Carol Lee got poison oak helping me pick and eat, and her little sis was jealous of all the attention, so she rubbed it on her arms and legs, and she looked like a crying ghost for days with that calamine lotion!

Some day........ :-))

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Well that makes sense. If I had access to all the berries I wanted and didn't have to grow them, I'd grow other things too, mostly figs;)



FIGurwhynot,

Actually, your father mowing down your first year TC's may be a good thing, if it happened this fall. As long as the crown was not destroyed. You will be better off not letting the vine make berries next year and focus all the growth potential into stonger primocanes and a larger root system.


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Here in s.w. Ontario, my 2 favorites are Triple Crown and Navaho. I found them very similar in berry size and sweet flavor. I also have Doyle and Chester which both lack in flavor but both very productive. The difference in flavor though is so great I might be taking them out. I also grew Tayberry and really enjoyed the flavor of it.

A couple rare ones I have are the Nettleton's Creamy White which i really didn't enjoy too much. Even dead ripe it has an odd taste... almost bitter aftertaste. Luther Burbanks "Snowbank" is the other one and it had a much better flavor.  Both these white varieties turn almost translucent when ripe.

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I got 4 blackberries last year (1 Triple Crown and the 3 Arapaho) which are planted in the 45 gal pots.  The Arapaho's grew like weeds and have a good 7 foot growth on each support wire going in both directions.  The Triple Crown got a very late start but rebounded well after the late start.

No berries this past year but I did not expect any their first year but hopeful next year will be a different store.

Thanks Calvin for the offer of Triple Crowns, PM sent.

Cathy
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...A couple rare ones I have are the Nettleton's Creamy White which i really didn't enjoy too much. Even dead ripe it has an odd taste... almost bitter aftertaste. Luther Burbanks "Snowbank" is the other one and it had a much better flavor.  Both these white varieties turn almost translucent when ripe.

Tyler



I was astounded at the requested cost of the Nettleton Creamy that I got.

If you do some research it is somewhat believed that the Netteleton is actually the 'Crystal White' or a descendant there of, from Mr. John B. Orange in Albinon, OH back in 1850's !!!   This is PRIOR to Luther Burbank acquiring his "crystal white" that supposedly came from NJ.. -- Though I have HIGH suspicions it came from OH, and it was transferred back to new england with someone - I forget now and by the time Burbank hears of it.. it is requested from NJ.
  There is some amazing research that can be done on the history of the White berries.. I have numerous links to what things I have found if anyone wants...

 
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I was astounded at the requested cost of the Nettleton Creamy that I got.

 



I can save some seed of both for you in you'd like some?

**edit** sorry didn't see you already have some plants coming.
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