Sue, The Point Loma cuttings from last Spring ave just started pushing the first growth all season. They each had one or two leaves, and then sat, and sat. "Civil War" is doing the same thing finally pushing the first new wood. I did have a cutting that stayed green and viable for over a year, but never did root. It does, in general seem that the longer they take to do anything, the less vigorous they remain and the more likely a cutting it to ultimately fail.