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I would caution using something like bunny poop, just because for container growth you don't have the bacteria and microbes in the soil to break it down. I used to prefer organic and natural ferts, but like the famous "Al" on gardenweb (RIP) I found them unreliable and lacking. Currently I am using 50% HPCC and 50% Bark Fines in my two pots and found the mix to be excellent. I should note, wear gloves when using dry HPCC, it gave me some a lot of splinters. 

I see people have tried to answer. If you want to fertilize twice a year, just use Osmocote plus as recommended. Otherwise use Foliage Pro every time you water. I re-used a little syringe from the pharmacy used to measure liquid Rx. I think it's about 1ml per gallon for the maintenance dosage. I can't think of a simpler fertilizer regiment. 



Rabbit poop does not pose bacteria concerns as do manures such as sheep, cattle, horse etc... Like worm castings you don't even need to compost it before use... You can basically squeeze the bunny into your pot... (Gross! But true)

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Yes "Fertigation". Very low amount of fertilizer applied every time you water.

Now I may be completely wrong on my ratio, but there is certainly no consensus on what is the optimum one. Everyone will say that too much nitrogen will give you vegitave growth with few fruit but will turn around and fertilize with miracle grow. It doesn't make sense. With all the smart people on the forum you would think that someone would be able to point to a product and say "use this". Instead you have 10 people saying use these 3, 5, or 7 different fertilizers at 3, 5, or 7 times per year. It's very confusing. I'm no expert. I don't claim to be one. This is my 5th year. I'm still trying to dial it in.

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Osmocote Plus is 15-9-12. That's not even close to the ratio I'm looking for. I was not happy with the fruit I got from 10-10-10 so I'm certainly not going to give them more nitrogen. I've got 250+ pots. Fertigation sounds good on a small scale but is not practical for me. I water about every day in the summer on an overhead system. I may go to a micro spray system this year. We'll see. I have no doubt Bunny Poop would break down under these conditions. My potting mix in the pots already is a mix of good organic soil, pine bark fines, perlite, and peat moss. http://www.fig-baud.com/pageanglaise.html


For me, higher nitrogen has always = lots of leaves and plant and no fruit



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Exactly. Anyone use a slow release 0-5-10 or a 5-10-15?
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Arron - I'm basically in your situation on a micro level with 2 years less experience and many fewer trees...... I'm feeling like there's no magic bullet but I do believe in lower (not no) nitrogen and I think Steven Biggs said it best, "A little, a lot". If you can get it in low doses frequently - like in your regular watering - I think it's a good strategy. It's the way we eat, right? Plus that takes some of the labor out of it... So maybe that's fertilizer.....

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I wouldn't take the old school tactics out of the equation. I'm not averse to modern fertilizer but I believe there's something to the old school ways. We've come a long way but I don't think we've come along far enough to completely understand mother nature.  That all being said..., I'm not about to start making bunny poop tea to water all my trees, but if I can get some manure or castings in/on the soil...even a a top dressing once a year...I can't help but feel it helps..... For my favorite trees at least.... 

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If you google rabbit farm you will find a place close to you. I found a place that will let me take all I want for free. 20 min from me.

I've searched the net for the Pennington 5-10-15. I think it's discontinued.


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lots of N is not always bad. my soil is mostly limestone n using normal fertilizers i could  maybe get an inch of growth/ month.
everything was stunted.
the next year i used amonium sulfate  which is 100% N.
got great growth n lots of figs tho few ripened.
the interesting thing is these trees were perfect. they were getting all the N. P  K n trace they could use even tho i only supplied N.
thing about AS, it lowers ph.
the nutrients were always there, but were locked up by the excess lime so trees couldn't use it.
this year, i'm treating the soil like normal. that's cow manure i gather when i let the neighbor cows on my land to control high grass that hides snakes n evil bunnies.
i may just switch to straight sulfer n forget about fertilizing the trees.

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Oh, the poop is out there... I need a pickup truck!

I recently found a worm bait farm literally 10 minutes from my house selling castings for almost nothing.....They can't get rid of them fast enough.

I hear they work wonders too.... I'm going to be trying them on at least some of my trees and garden  this year. ...hope they work well cuz....well, I'm cheap...



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Lots of growth with few ripe figs is classic excess nitrogen. That was my story last year. I'm wondering if there is anyone successfully growing figs in pots that can share their fertilizer secrets.
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Rabbit poop does not pose bacteria concerns as do manures such as sheep, cattle, horse etc... Like worm castings you don't even need to compost it before use... You can basically squeeze the bunny into your pot... (Gross! But true)


I never said bunny poop posed a bacterial danger. I said that container soil does not have sufficient bacterial load to break down the poop into something that can be picked up by the roots. You can add it, but I doubt it will be used efficiently by the plant.

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Lots of growth with few ripe figs is classic excess nitrogen. That was my story last year. I'm wondering if there is anyone successfully growing figs in pots that can share their fertilizer secrets.


Fertilizer will depend on each person's soil mix and environmental conditions. I am using osmocote and foliage pro and will add my results in this thread as the season goes on.

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I use plain 'ol chicken crap (fresh or in pellet form) on everything except my orchids. The results are never less than superb.
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Agway has 5-10-10. I think I'll be giving that a try along with the bunny poo. (Bunny poo preferred over chicken because I've heard that chicken should be composted before use. I realize some people do not, but Bunny has been overwhelming given a thumbs up to use straight) The cost would be pretty much the same to me, free or near free.
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