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I would caution using something like bunny poop, just because for container growth you don't have the bacteria and microbes in the soil to break it down. I used to prefer organic and natural ferts, but like the famous "Al" on gardenweb (RIP) I found them unreliable and lacking. Currently I am using 50% HPCC and 50% Bark Fines in my two pots and found the mix to be excellent. I should note, wear gloves when using dry HPCC, it gave me some a lot of splinters. 

I see people have tried to answer. If you want to fertilize twice a year, just use Osmocote plus as recommended. Otherwise use Foliage Pro every time you water. I re-used a little syringe from the pharmacy used to measure liquid Rx. I think it's about 1ml per gallon for the maintenance dosage. I can't think of a simpler fertilizer regiment. 



Rabbit poop does not pose bacteria concerns as do manures such as sheep, cattle, horse etc... Like worm castings you don't even need to compost it before use... You can basically squeeze the bunny into your pot... (Gross! But true)

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Yes "Fertigation". Very low amount of fertilizer applied every time you water.

Now I may be completely wrong on my ratio, but there is certainly no consensus on what is the optimum one. Everyone will say that too much nitrogen will give you vegitave growth with few fruit but will turn around and fertilize with miracle grow. It doesn't make sense. With all the smart people on the forum you would think that someone would be able to point to a product and say "use this". Instead you have 10 people saying use these 3, 5, or 7 different fertilizers at 3, 5, or 7 times per year. It's very confusing. I'm no expert. I don't claim to be one. This is my 5th year. I'm still trying to dial it in.

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Osmocote Plus is 15-9-12. That's not even close to the ratio I'm looking for. I was not happy with the fruit I got from 10-10-10 so I'm certainly not going to give them more nitrogen. I've got 250+ pots. Fertigation sounds good on a small scale but is not practical for me. I water about every day in the summer on an overhead system. I may go to a micro spray system this year. We'll see. I have no doubt Bunny Poop would break down under these conditions. My potting mix in the pots already is a mix of good organic soil, pine bark fines, perlite, and peat moss. http://www.fig-baud.com/pageanglaise.html


For me, higher nitrogen has always = lots of leaves and plant and no fruit



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Exactly. Anyone use a slow release 0-5-10 or a 5-10-15?
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Arron - I'm basically in your situation on a micro level with 2 years less experience and many fewer trees...... I'm feeling like there's no magic bullet but I do believe in lower (not no) nitrogen and I think Steven Biggs said it best, "A little, a lot". If you can get it in low doses frequently - like in your regular watering - I think it's a good strategy. It's the way we eat, right? Plus that takes some of the labor out of it... So maybe that's fertilizer.....

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I wouldn't take the old school tactics out of the equation. I'm not averse to modern fertilizer but I believe there's something to the old school ways. We've come a long way but I don't think we've come along far enough to completely understand mother nature.  That all being said..., I'm not about to start making bunny poop tea to water all my trees, but if I can get some manure or castings in/on the soil...even a a top dressing once a year...I can't help but feel it helps..... For my favorite trees at least.... 

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If you google rabbit farm you will find a place close to you. I found a place that will let me take all I want for free. 20 min from me.

I've searched the net for the Pennington 5-10-15. I think it's discontinued.


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lots of N is not always bad. my soil is mostly limestone n using normal fertilizers i could  maybe get an inch of growth/ month.
everything was stunted.
the next year i used amonium sulfate  which is 100% N.
got great growth n lots of figs tho few ripened.
the interesting thing is these trees were perfect. they were getting all the N. P  K n trace they could use even tho i only supplied N.
thing about AS, it lowers ph.
the nutrients were always there, but were locked up by the excess lime so trees couldn't use it.
this year, i'm treating the soil like normal. that's cow manure i gather when i let the neighbor cows on my land to control high grass that hides snakes n evil bunnies.
i may just switch to straight sulfer n forget about fertilizing the trees.

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Oh, the poop is out there... I need a pickup truck!

I recently found a worm bait farm literally 10 minutes from my house selling castings for almost nothing.....They can't get rid of them fast enough.

I hear they work wonders too.... I'm going to be trying them on at least some of my trees and garden  this year. ...hope they work well cuz....well, I'm cheap...



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Lots of growth with few ripe figs is classic excess nitrogen. That was my story last year. I'm wondering if there is anyone successfully growing figs in pots that can share their fertilizer secrets.
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Rabbit poop does not pose bacteria concerns as do manures such as sheep, cattle, horse etc... Like worm castings you don't even need to compost it before use... You can basically squeeze the bunny into your pot... (Gross! But true)


I never said bunny poop posed a bacterial danger. I said that container soil does not have sufficient bacterial load to break down the poop into something that can be picked up by the roots. You can add it, but I doubt it will be used efficiently by the plant.

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Lots of growth with few ripe figs is classic excess nitrogen. That was my story last year. I'm wondering if there is anyone successfully growing figs in pots that can share their fertilizer secrets.


Fertilizer will depend on each person's soil mix and environmental conditions. I am using osmocote and foliage pro and will add my results in this thread as the season goes on.

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I use plain 'ol chicken crap (fresh or in pellet form) on everything except my orchids. The results are never less than superb.
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Agway has 5-10-10. I think I'll be giving that a try along with the bunny poo. (Bunny poo preferred over chicken because I've heard that chicken should be composted before use. I realize some people do not, but Bunny has been overwhelming given a thumbs up to use straight) The cost would be pretty much the same to me, free or near free.
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I fertilized my figs over the weekend. I used the Agway 5-10-10 with gypsum and topped it off with rabbit poo & bedding. They should be good for a while.

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Looking good Aaron....What did you end up using for all your potting mix? I recall you had a ton to do....
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I mixed a couple bales of pro mix hpc with what I had left and have been using that. The next step is to get potting mix from a local nursery. Have not bitten that bullet yet. I'm thinking it's going to have to be soon.
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Hope you get a good deal. I know you have a lot of mix to make... 

I think you're spot-on with your fertilizing plan. wish we had Agway up here...

I don't have the bunny source so went all worm casting this year to replace sheep compost..... Hope to report back with good results...

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Pots are getting drip irrigation this year. They seem happy so far. The 1/4" line has a drip emitter every 6" at .5 gallons per hour each. I'm running 4 emitters per pot (2' circle) and running for 1 hr per day.

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Love the drip ring around the trees. I'm working on a drip system myself and didn't like the idea of all the water dripping on to one spot.

I'm wondering - Think there's an efficient way to deliver fertilizer through the drip system? Like poking an IV into the artery.....

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Something like this?

EZ Flo 1010-HB Garden Hose Fertilizer Injector w/ Backflow Preventer - 1 Gallon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X9MJHSZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_CYTizb3KNS8WT

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Exactly ....Thanks for the link...
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I have grown sub tropicals in containers for 40 years, I still have some that old. This year though they are so big I'm getting rid of many of my oldest plants. It's tough having them before my kids were even born who are now in their 30's. But I can't handle them anymore. Reading fertilizer threads I hear much nonsense. Much research has been done, I have read posts stating things like "nobody knows the optimal fertilizer", well that's not true. Researchers have figured out even differences between species, and all kinds of interesting stuff. Information is not always easy to find but is out there.
Figs have not been researched much here. Most fertilizer and pesticide companies have done little to no research on figs.
Having said that figs are one of the easiest sub tropical plants I have ever grown. I only have a few years experience with them, but man what easy plants to grow. I don't claim to know it all, far from it, I still learn everyday. All gardening is local! I know in some areas figs are not so easy to grow.

As far plants not producing fruits. Figs in general concentrate on root systems before fruiting. Often only fruiting once root space runs out. So in ground figs are going to be much slower to fruit if given unlimited root room. I would try to plant them fairly close to established shrubs and trees that have colonized the ground. This should limit root room for the figs. Once fig roots reach a certain size they may start producing, I have not grown them long enough to make this observation yet, but suspect it's true. Figs quickly fill space in pots, so tend to fruit quickly. Often people think too much nitrogen did this, well that's not really true. A lot of nitrogen to in ground figs may get their root systems big enough where they begin to fruit. One could also restrict root growth in various ways. Fruiting is often a response to stress. The tree thinks it could die, so forces fruiting to produce the next generation. In tropical areas the ground is wall to wall roots, and so figs see an opening, they prioritize root formation as they know this free space is a rare commodity that will not last long. Some plants like Walnuts actuality poison surrounding root systems of other plants. A very effective strategy. I certainly wouldn't want a walnut tree in my yard. Knowing plant behavior of the species you grow is extremely helpful.
So far it appears that figs like the general ratio most plants like of a 3-1-2 NPK ratio. I'm happy with performance keeping this ratio.You need to know what you're starting with too, such as in MN Phosphorus is already high in the local soil. Here where I live certain trace minerals are low. A soil test is a must for in ground plants. 
I often see disregard to pH too, people adding all kinds of lime. many add all this stuff, rock dust, other amendments, which may actually hurt your plants. Rock dust is fine, just remember it takes about 10 years for it to become readily available to the plants.
Most universities (all I have ever seen except one) suggests figs do best with a pH of 6.0 to 6.5. (The one exception said 5.5). So when you add lime to your containers and use tap water which has a pH of around 7.8 or higher. If you're adding lime, you better know what your doing to the pH and monitor it. Sure they will grow in very basic soils, but it limits nutrient uptake dramatically. I myself never ever add lime. As I use tap water which is loaded to the gills with calcium. I also add calcium in other forms, such as organic fertilizer. If you really feel you need calcium, use gypsum, no need to monitor pH as it is pH neutral. One basic rule of gardening is "Everything you know is wrong"  One of Farmer Fred's rules of gardening. So everything I think is the right method is subject to change with more information.

OK, now sit back and enjoy your figs. I love some of the guys here who dig deep in research, it really helps. But I'm kinda lazy so it has to be simple. I fertilize my fig by adding 1 part compost to soil mix. I make my own with pine fines, pro-mix, compost, and DE in a 3-1-1-.33 ratio.
I add Dynamite slow release which last 9 months, not 6 like Osmocote. NPK of 15-5-9 (3-1-2) with micros too. Once a month starting in April i add a handful of organic fertilizer, whatever I have on hand. So after initial feeding, I feed once a month. If I see slow growth I might hit them with Foliage Pro. I stop in August, if still nice I stop late August, some years early August.

I don't like drip systems as I can't afford what I need to be honest, else I would do it. Oh my dog would be a problem too. I would look at Foliage Pro, expensive but it is perfect. I have a 32 oz bottle and it says for irrigation injector it says add 10-18 oz per gallon of water for injector concentrate. 20 oz gives 100ppm nitrogen.

My plants are at last active here in zone 5b. I'm going to watch them grow a bit...photo taken 2017 05 21 (yesterday)



 

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