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Where have all the old timers gone

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Originally Posted by mgginva
There is a couple more issues that upset a number of folks I spoke with;

There was a group of members that would brag about how big their collections were and how much they knew (not always true statements) and this would give them not necessarily deserved respect and trust.
Newbies that were chasing the "fad figs" understandably listened to what they had to say. They, after all, had the figs the newbies wanted.
One of the things they had to say was that certain "new" figs were just wonderful and were absolutely must haves.
Then one of the members of this small group would sell that fig on Ebay and the newbies and some members would bid the price up to amounts that the figs did not deserve.

I ended up with all these figs and can tell you so far not one of them is in my top 10%.
It was a scam to prey on members - especially newbies.
A number of folks saw through it - oddly enough from the folks I spoke with it seemed like women saw through it most effectively.
Anyway it was just another thing going on that left a bad taste in folks mouths.

As far as I know this is not happening any more as all but one of these folks doesn't visit any more (Jon did "prune" one of them - for other reasons - but nonetheless).

When I was a newbie I did all the things newbies do wrong.

Including paying for and chasing figs because they were "the new great varieties" although the most I ever spent was $86.50 - I burned that plant this year as it never lived up to the hype.
FYI - I also burned another of these "fad figs" this year as well. The rest of the "fad figs" I have are still safe as all figs I collect get a certain amount of time to prove their worth.

Jon does not police this forum and I don't blame him as it isn't his job to fact check posts. I can also say that Jon wouldn't be involved in this kind of thing and as he moderates in his own way he is not responsible for sniffing out these sorts of things.

Second issue; The one thing I have yet to do is name a fig that is an unknown. I personally think all unknowns need the designation of unknown. If someone needs to name a fig they should at least place unk after the name. The confusion caused by folks just naming trees they've found in hopes that they've found the next great fig (or stroking their egos) is unnecessary and irresponsible in my opinion (yes - just my opinion so no need to get upset and feel a need to answer this). It is also my opinion that this is another negative issue that bothers a certain number of people - especially the folks looking for a site where they can get facts and valuable research.
Let me give an example of why it bugs me so much. I have a fig called Morena that I got from Gene Hosey's collection. It came from a nursery in either Germany or Switzerland. This nursery has been accused of taking other people's figs and renaming them and claiming they breed or at least helped develop them in some manner. After way too much time spent I have finally found the fig I'm pretty confident they renamed Morena (Bella Brunetta Rossa). Their dishonesty cost me a lot of time and effort and just adds to the confusion that people who are trying to ID the best figs for their niche have to endure.

Please do not get upset because I have opinions. This is one of the things that creates problems on these forums  - that people take things personally and get upset. Unless I name you specifically please remember to take a breath and count to ten.

In this topic I've discussed some negative things from the past and with the exception of naming figs I don't think they really apply to this forum as it operates today. So please lets keep this forum running with the decorum it seems to have developed as it seems quite civilized these days.



Sorry some if the "latest greatest" trees could not even produce in your area...are these bums on the O.ther F.orum, or are they gone with the wind?

Truely, I am thankful for the "OLD Timers" here, and the knowledge they imparted. I planted exactly 2 fig trees between 1995 and 2005, one in VA., And one in the
middle east... overseas I worked in vineyards, planted Citrus Medica, olive trees, apple and Pomagranite, Apple, general gardening, etc.

I never considered myself an expert (and still do not), because I tend to do things by feel rather than a pure scientific approach, it works for me.

There are many "new" members who will have good things to contribute to these forums, and I honestly appreciate your approach to most matters...




thx Danny.

Hey Doug !
It's been awhile. The figs you sent are growing very well. thx.
When are you going to breed one of this beautiful black tri's?

Levite,
I asked why VS left and he told me between health and a couple other issues he no longer has time. Loosing him was a serious blow, but he gave us a lot and I wish him well.
He may still be available on a very limited basis to those who buy from him on Ebay.



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Originally Posted by drew51
I think the site is fine as is, many good people here. FB has too many hackers and thieves for me to ever join. In my opinion the problems there are way worse than anything that ever happens here. So I'm fine with this site as is.

Hi Drew,
I like the site as well, you get a varied collection of advice and opinions, and you can choose to take from it as much or as little as you want.
Facebook is a good example of a range of different opinions. I haven't had the time yet to check it out in enough detail.

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Originally Posted by angelad
Thank you for the history lesson.   Some of the questions that I have had since joining this group have now been answered.

Soon it will be a year since joining this group and I really enjoy reading people's posts and looking at all the wonderful pictures and videos.  Something for me to look forward to as my plants mature. 

Glad that you have found the topic useful Angela.
It has taken off more than I expected.

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Originally Posted by dkirtexas
This post is in support of Mike's (MGGINVA) earlier post.

On the subject of naming unknown figs........STOP IT!!!!! any fig that you find has already been found somewhere by someone and it most likely has a name, the fact that you do not know the name does not give you license to name it.

HERE IS A BOLD STATEMENT....there is not a single person on this forum that has the credentials or has done the research to (RE)name a fig.  There is a great miscarriage of responsibility perpetuated by nurseries using "boutique" names to sale more trees.  This miscarriage is also done by people on these forums, if you want to call a fig by a "pet" name at least have the decency to use the UNK or UNKNOWN term somewhere in the name.  Long after you have gone from this forum your irresponsibility will be perpetuated by the people that you traded, sold, or gifted the misnamed trees to.  In some cases there is out and out FRAUD committed by these kind of people.

I do mean this to be harsh, this is a serious problem, we are stewards of our hobby and there needs to be some responsibility inherent to membership in this community.

Danny, I can see you have strong feelings on this subject. It's not a problem in the UK because the climate means there's not a big enough fig growing community. Those few who are interested will normally start off with the tried and trusted varieties. Hopefully as it becomes more of an interest they will have gained enough knowledge not to fall for hyped up latest sensations. I know I like things to have been around for a while before trying.

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Originally Posted by fignutty
I don't mind newbie questions. I've answered more than my share. What hurts is to put 10, 20, or 30 minutes into a really good response and then get no feedback from the person that ask the question. That's not the way I was raised. Then there are the posters that get 10, 20, or 30 responses and never come back to anyone. They should never get more help.

Steve, I agree with you. Politeness doesn't cost and where people have taken the trouble to answer a topic you should respond, maybe not to every post but a thanks here and there at least.

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Originally Posted by SCfigFanatic
I have stuck to just growing figs.

Doug

Hi Doug,
Well at 591 posts, you can't say that you haven't contributed to the forum

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Originally Posted by Lewi


Sorry some if the "latest greatest" trees could not even produce in your area...are these bums on the O.ther F.orum, or are they gone with the wind?

Truely, I am thankful for the "OLD Timers" here, and the knowledge they imparted. I planted exactly 2 fig trees between 1995 and 2005, one in VA., And one in the
middle east... overseas I worked in vineyards, planted Citrus Medica, olive trees, apple and Pomagranite, Apple, general gardening, etc.

I never considered myself an expert (and still do not), because I tend to do things by feel rather than a pure scientific approach, it works for me.

There are many "new" members who will have good things to contribute to these forums, and I honestly appreciate your approach to most matters...





Nice sentiments Lewi. The old timers are much appreciated by me as well.
I'm about as far from an expert on figs as you can get.
I can relate to your only planting a couple of figs over a long period.
For 30 years or so I only had one fig. It wasn't until I retired that I built up my modest collection.




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Originally Posted by Lewi
Sorry some if the "latest greatest" trees could not even produce in your area...are these bums on the O.ther F.orum, or are they gone with the wind? Truely, I am thankful for the "OLD Timers" here, and the knowledge they imparted. I planted exactly 2 fig trees between 1995 and 2005, one in VA., And one in the middle east... overseas I worked in vineyards, planted Citrus Medica, olive trees, apple and Pomagranite, Apple, general gardening, etc. I never considered myself an expert (and still do not), because I tend to do things by feel rather than a pure scientific approach, it works for me. There are many "new" members who will have good things to contribute to these forums, and I honestly appreciate your approach to most matters...


I'm not sure exactly what you are saying in your first sentence. As far as "latest greatest" not producing in my area -- that is an issue. I could pay an absurd amount of money to get , say, the greatest fig variety from Pons and it might fail miserably here in humid VA. Figs grow very differently in different climates. But all the "latest greatest" I was talking about were sold to me by someone living in the same zone and climate type as mine.
Now if he actually was growing these trees and producing figs he considered very good from those trees it would be one thing, but that isn't the case with all of these trees. I don't sell varieties until I have grown them and they have proven very good or great. I follow this procedure and very much agree with Hermann about it as he was the first to set these rules out. 
"These bums" I think you are asking about have disappeared - at least for the last few years - all except one who occasionally still visits the forums. They are not on "the other forum" if you are speaking of ourfigs.com.
Where in VA did you plant that one fig and what was it as it might deserve a visit if close enough to my farm?
I do not think of myself as an expert either, just someone with a lot of trees who grows and sells a number of trees and figs every year and has over the last 11 years gained some experience I'm willing to pass on. Before figs my x and I grew Filberts (1100+ trees) and various fruit trees - especially antique southern apples. I am very interested in the scientific approach and do read a lot of what I can find.
Thank you for your post.

Hey Michael, glad those trees grew for you.

I just added a 1 year old blue eyes tri male to my family.
Puppies should be in the spring.
I will stay in touch.

Doug

I am not a fig expert.  I do have experience growing figs and other fruits in my climate.  I personally think it's OK to name a fig.  There are so many members here and gone that named their figs.  It's all in the love of gardening.  Telling me or another to name a found fig a certain way won't force me to do that.  Sorry if this upset some....its not my intent.  (Smile)  Again....To me, it's all about the love and the fun of gardening.  Figs are just one fruit that I grow.  There are others I am passion about too!

Over the years, I received a lot of completely false advise about growing figs.  And that's OK.  I learned.  I didn't get mad or slander anyone.  I just took what they said and learned a lot about growing figs in my area.  What worked for them may not work for me in my climate.  Any advice give is just an opinion.  I understand that.

Figs are a mystery!  That's why I love them so!  A few years back, I set out on a quest for figs over a 2 week period.  I drove from Charlotte to Atlanta, to Jameison AL to Florida to Louisiana and to Houston,Texas.  I spent some time talking to the folks at Petal from the Past, Mr. James Robin in Opelousas, Dalton Durio in Opelousas, JFE in Florida, and a few others during my quest.  I learned a lot about figs on that trip. 

Then I traveled and talked to the personnel at the Dept of Arg at UC-Davis--twice.  Over the years they taught me a lot about figs.  What they use to fertilize, how often they fertilize, leaf patterns, etc.  They've even asked me to send them some of my trees!  And yes, including those I found in Charlotte. They don't care what you name a fig.  LOL!  This is why I don't take naming figs so personal.  Over the years, I've located 3 local unnamed fig trees.  I will give them a name.  They will not have the prefix "Unknown" in their name.  Sorry.   I have the history of these figs written down along with the owners name and address.  I've searched the county public records and obtain the previous property owners name just to add more information about the tree.  But that doesn't tell you WHERE the home owners got their fig tree from.  To me, that's good enough!  LOL!  So, when I send my trees to UC-Davis, they will receive the history of the fig as it was told to me.

Having said that.....HOW BOUT THOSE FIGS!!!!!!!

Dennis Dennis Dennis,
Still rocking the boat I see. Not even unk after the name, eh?

With the exception of Dennis' ill conceived policy (just my opinion) about naming figs I want to credit him as one of the good guys on this forum.
When I was a newbie just to be generous Dennis offered to give me a Col de Dame Gris which at the time was a much sought after variety.
As well as sending me (out of the blue) not long after a 3 gallon Emerald Strawberry plant with a note just saying he really liked this variety and wanted to give me one. 
He's one of the good old timers still on this forum.
And a generous guy.

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Originally Posted by mgginva


I'm not sure exactly what you are saying in your first sentence. As far as "latest greatest" not producing in my area -- that is an issue. I could pay an absurd amount of money to get , say, the greatest fig variety from Pons and it might fail miserably here in humid VA. Figs grow very differently in different climates. But all the "latest greatest" I was talking about were sold to me by someone living in the same zone and climate type as mine.
Now if he actually was growing these trees and producing figs he considered very good from those trees it would be one thing, but that isn't the case with all of these trees. I don't sell varieties until I have grown them and they have proven very good or great. I follow this procedure and very much agree with Hermann about it as he was the first to set these rules out. 
"These bums" I think you are asking about have disappeared - at least for the last few years - all except one who occasionally still visits the forums. They are not on "the other forum" if you are speaking of ourfigs.com.
Where in VA did you plant that one fig and what was it as it might deserve a visit if close enough to my farm?
I do not think of myself as an expert either, just someone with a lot of trees who grows and sells a number of trees and figs every year and has over the last 11 years gained some experience I'm willing to pass on. Before figs my x and I grew Filberts (1100+ trees) and various fruit trees - especially antique southern apples. I am very interested in the scientific approach and do read a lot of what I can find.
Thank you for your post.



I planted a "brown Turkey" bought for 6 dollars on sale from Home Quarters in Norfolk Virginia...likely not worth your gas. ;) My folks sold the place, in 2002, and I have no idea if it is still around.

I am always curious as to who is a trustworthy seller. Glad to hear most of that lot are not around, but there is always another scammer lurking.

1100+ filberts is a lot of trees, and a lot if work..sorry it did not pan out for you. I see you have a avitar on OF checking the straightness of a Gladius...do you smith? I have some Mark Marrow blades, and a phillipino gladius.





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Hello there, F4F folks, I'm one of those old timers bums, alive and well. For those who remember, I am no longer on dialysis, having received a new kidney Nov, 4 2016. Still growing figs and most everything I can squeeze onto my property, albeit have cut my fig collection pretty much in half, (about 50 now) some died due to my inability to care for and others were gifted away as they were same/similar to other varieties. Still in touch with many other old timers, mostly on FB sometimes in person, such as Bill's figs 9th fig fest recently or Bass Fig meeting earlier in the year and occasional home visits. This forum was very instrumental in assisting me with my pursuit of figs and fig knowledge, and hopefully I was able to help some as well. No comments right now on others memories of the past or past opinions of why folks left, but will answer questions if asked to the best of my ability. 

Well I am glad you are doing better Barry!  Welcome back!  I chime in from time to time!  There is a lot of new blood here and that's good!  But most of the ladies are gone.  So sad!  I wish you the best!


Barry, I believe it was you who sent me my Cucumber fig cutting.
It is alive and well if you would like a cutting back.
Just let me know.
Nice to see you around.

Doug

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SCfigFanatic, It was likely me as I sent a bunch of scion and cuttings to a bunch of people, don't recall specifically who. Anyway, glad it is alive and producing and wow those funky long breba it makes. Thanks for the offer to replace, right now, I'm good with what I have, will be taking inventory in the fall to see just what is what with the remainder of my trees.


Dennis, Until I read the posts in this thread, didn't know you were still here, but it is nice to see your posts on FB and follow what you are growing. I am on fb too much lol but that is what kept me occupied for the years I was unable to do much in the garden and now it is a daily habit having re-connected with old friends and made many new ones. I really do enjoy fb!! 

Levite,
My avatar is actually a banana spike in my back yard in Costa Rica (I lived in an artist colony for awhile). It is what the bananas will grow on.
Every morning the caretaker would set out bananas for us and we'd take very long bamboo poles and whack mangos (I learned to love mangos and I sure wish I could grow them and I wish I knew the variety that was across from my casita (there is 1600+ varieties of mangos) and have bananas and mangos for breakfast by the pool and watch the hummingbirds (I think CR has 50+ varieties including the ruby throated which migrates all the way to my house in Va and beyond).

I have always wanted to smith and I spent a lot of money collecting knife scales and a few blades. I have a lot of equipment still unpacked from 2002 during which time I was in bed and way too optimistic about my abilities to do certain things. I'd sell stuff if you know anyone interested. (it was about 19 grand in 2002.)

Actually the filberts were not as much trouble as you'd think. I planted the orchard so my tractor could easily turn around and bush hog easily. I used drip irrigation which only cost about a buck a tree back then. My well had a 35 gallon a minute pump and the irrigation was divided into sections and set with timers. I had water run underground to all the orchards as well as electricity. It was a great set up but divorce can ruin just about anything.


Yeah, Norfolk is about 4 hours from here.
Adios.

Neat. I guess I saw what I wanted to see on my little phone screen. :) furthest south I have been is Mexico City, my health is not great (lyme, etc.), else I would belt grind out a few sharp implaments. :)

Some artists in my family (grandmother and eldest daughter) and way back, one Spannish poet who had to buy his certificado de sangre puro. Homeschooling and the land (FIGs) has kept me very busy...

I dabbled into knife making briefly not too long ago when I had too many dull kitchen knives that my wife asked me to sharpen.  I did not have good tools then, and needed a pocket knife for everyday uses.  So a couple of hundred Youtube videos later, I have some basic EDC (everyday carry ) knives.  Let me tell you, it can be very addictive, just like fig-ing.  But I was able to resist the urge to get more and expensive ones, this applies to other hobbies as well.  So now I have the needed tools to sharpen knives, coupled with some woodworking tools and a 22" worn lawnmower blade lying in the garage waiting to be disposed.  So a bushcraft knife was born later...A great learning process, not just the skills of making one but the knowledge of blacksmithing, and leather making for the knife sheath as well. 

Back to the fig thing.  Who said that figging is easy and simple?


I thought that retirement is supposed to be easy going, and dozing away on a hammock under the tree shade on a hot summer day...

Levite,
Sounds like you may have contacts in Spain. Yes?
I am trying to find 4 Spanish figs and am hitting a brick wall.
  
Sorry to hear about the Lyme issue. How long have you had it?

schang,
I am a bit of a wood and fossil nut and the number of knife scales I have is kind of excessive. I bought mammoth, etc. stuff and a giraffe leg, hippo teeth, a big box of antlers, geeez all kinds of stuff. I got very carried away. 15 years later they are still unused as is the fancy multi-wheel belt sander and expensive 1./2 speed grinder buffer, etc. We are just about
finished with a really nice shed that I will use as wood shop next year after I take figs out as the other building turned out not to be big enough.
I think I'll cheat as I have about a dozen blades and all I have to do is manufacture the handle and sheath.
I'm telling ya the wheel goes round and round. A few years ago I sold my knife collection through Arizona knives and as I miss a couple of them -- . . . . geeez yep -- hooked again.
I'm always looking for spalted wood. I've even made some but it took years.
I wonder if there is anything else I could make out of a bunch of pieces of rare wood that are sized to be used for knife handles?

Yep, I just came in from moving a few figs into larger pots including moving my Italian 258 into a 15 gallon pot with biochar. It turns out I was just in time as my De la Senyora was being chewed on by something.

snaglpus, It sounds as though you've already done enough research trips to write a fig lovers road trip guide book -- thanks for sharing a great idea! 

Michael,  I understand the passion you had (or still have) on the knife things...I knew about the Arizona Custom Knives as they are high end, custom knives retailer selling quite expensive knives.  The fact that you sold your collection to them tells me something...

As for the rare wood already sized for the knife handles, it is not easy to alter their uses for other applications.  You may turn them, or carve them into objects that will show/enhance the beautiful wood grains of the rare wood...an example is wood pens

https://www.etsy.com/listing/400862889/rose-gold-curly-koa-swarovski-princess?gpla=1&gao=1&utm_campaign=shopping_us_KailuaBuilt_sfc_osa&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_custom1=0&utm_content=7408109&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIltKU3JCw1gIVxmSGCh3YTwAsEAQYBCABEgIMZfD_BwE

or use your artistic skills to make something that will worth your time and effort.  Or keep making knife handles till you use up your rare wood inventory.  It is also possible to sell them to other custom knife makers if you are not into it.

With the large collection of fig varieties you have, I don't know how you can memorize all these weird (or rare) foreign fig names ...

  

Off the figging topic. But since Michael brought it up, I'm a big rock and fossil buff too. Been collecting for year. The wife said she would never move a couple of tons of rocks again..... I also got bit by the knife making bug and started playing with stock removal a few years ago, right before we moved last time. I just started working on setting my shop up again last week. And shopping for a large band saw to try resawing some handle scales.


CliffH

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