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White/Yellow Marseilles feedback


(The one Jefferson supposedly grew @ Monticello).

I see a lot of chatter about Black Marseilles, but not much about the White/Yellow (Jefferson) variety.  Are they related in any way? or just share a similar name.

Any recommendations of comparable / similar type fig to the White/Yellow Marseilles that might be better? 

Hi MJ -- the lack of responses is not because we're rude, it's because the topic of the white Marseilles variety(s) generally ends with everyone agreeing to not to talk about Marseiiles anymore and just accept they have a fine fig :) There's a sort of spectrum of light figs (some of which are termed honey figs) that include (a) Lattarulla, Latarolla, Peter's Honey, Italian Honey, the white and yellow Marseilles, with synonyms that include Lemon & Blanche, and perhaps a dozen more. Akin (but unrelated?) are (b) Dottato/Kadota--which on second thought may be one or none of these.  (c) LSU Gold is another similar but unrelated variety. The first group -- and I'm not saying they are the same --are prevalent in the SouthEast, and have over many generations been mislabeled and mixed so that we have often have difficulty knowing what is what and which are the same. How can one person's Marseilles be pink inside (like in the Forum database) when most SE strains are clear or with a pale touch of amber??? This has been the topic of much discussion and usually ends with a peaceable acceptance -- at least with #snaglpus -- to raise them all, and not think on it too much :)    Marseilles and their buddies are readily available throughout southern nurseries. The Dottato/Kadota types (b) are generally more popular on the West Coast...and this may be due to climate issues.  In short, while several reputable nurseries provide Marseilles that seem recognizable to those of us who think we know the cultivar, when placed beside several similar cultivars--like Lattarula, it's becomes harder to make a firm decision that Marseilles is actually a separate animal. Am I even making sense (?) Perhaps I should have taken my fellow members' cue and remained silent :P

Marseilles Black VS appears to be a different animal -- possibly linked to Mt Etna types (like Sal's and HardyChicago) but maybe not. MBvs/MvsB was discovered by a very well respected forum member and collector who discovered/adopted/rescued the cultivar from Maryland --- it has a wonderful story attached to it that a military man brought it home to the States after the war in Europe. It is available through fig collectors and, unlike the white Marseilles with its light skin and light honey flavor, is a darker fig with deep red meat and berry flavor. 

Thanks. Very good info.

Sounds like a balanced and informative synopsis. Thanks, Rick, for sharing that, particularly with those of us who didn't know about it!

Thanks recomer for the reply.   I really did not think that my question was being ignored, I only posted it about 2 hours ago.

I did not realize that there was a history of discussion about this.  I suppose I could have searched, but sometimes, its just easier to just ask a quick question and get more recent feedback.

If I am understanding this correctly - the fig community is in disagreement about what is the true white Marseilles variety - - - -

I am not sure why that is controversial, but I will accept it as so.

I just wanted to aquire Yellow type of fig for variety (from my dark and green/red types)

The Marseilles looked legitimate (as having been grown at Monticello apparently)

And I guess I was surprised that there was not more interest in it.

If anyone has a recommendation of a similar type that may be better?  I would be interested in hearing that.




Maybe "Marseilles" is too generic of a description?

I'm slowly collecting all the Marseilles plants I run into if they are supposed to be separate varieties. I can tell you that the Marseilles that is grown at Monticello is a great tasting fig. It was in my top ten last year.

Great synopsis Rick! Thanks for making it clear :)

Mjbaransky,
The Marseilles Black VS is a dark fig that was named by forum member Herman2 and the name has been universally accepted. BTW the Marseilles Black VS is also traded as the Maryland Berry.

White Marseilles, Italian Honey and Lattarula are similar, thin ribbed skin, amber pulp and large seeds... Early ripening.
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1279823636&postcount=11

Peters Honey, Dottato, Kadota are similar, thick smooth chewy skin, amber pulp and small seeds... Later ripening.
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1279194889&postcount=1

The groups are completely different figs, but the Dottato has sometimes been called "Italian Honey" due to the "drop of honey" that seals the osteole (eye) when the figs are ripe. There are other named figs that can be put in either group.
Also the Encanto farms varieties pages, http://figs4fun.com/Varieties.html sometimes shows Breba and Caprified (pollinated) figs which have darker colored pulp (sometimes pink). There is no controversy as far as I know, just the usual naming confusion.

Thanks, Pete, for clarity and efficiency. 

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Originally Posted by ascpete
Mjbaransky,
The Marseilles Black VS is a dark fig that was named by forum member Herman2 and the name has been universally accepted. BTW the Marseilles Black VS is also traded as the Maryland Berry.



Say Whaaaaaa?   :)

Jon was given a plant labeled Brown Turkey from a gal in Maryland.  When it fruited Jon decided it was too good to be a brown turkey and that it must have been mislabeled.  Jon publicly renamed it, "Maryland Berry".  It is not the same as MBVS.

It would be interesting to hear from someone who has both to see the differences.

Bob C,
<The naming confusion continues...>

I stand corrected, Thanks, but please read the following older topic in which the origins of both are discussed, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=2604282 ... and a more recent post by Jon V, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280216747&postcount=15

Also check the Maryland Berry description and source at, http://figs4fun.com/Varieties.html ...

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The Maryland Berry aka Brown Turkey Maryland (MD) description on the varieties pages also refers back to Herman2 (VS) as the source ???

Fine but you should still sell subscriptions to your fignapping escapades.  And you never said they were identical, you just said people try to pass off Black Madeira as Maryland Berry on ebay.  This would be hard to prove or disprove  :)

As for those links, (waves hand) those are not the posts you're looking for.  Read here http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=41068377&postcount=6  and the whole thread where it talks about the H2 cuttings vs Jon's M Berry and refernces the thread you listed.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/big-brown-turkey-md-4802103

And of course http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280216747&postcount=15 puts the final nail in the coffin.

That said, I have neither variety (Marseilles VSB nor Maryland Berry)  Who wants to sell them to me? Perhaps a trade if my figlets are up to it.


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