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Why I have only 3 Fig Trees

In a previous thread, ohjustaguy asked for a photo or tour of my fruiting plants.

I moved to my current home in April 2013. It needed a lot of work, most of which has been completed now. Here's a photo from July 2014 showing a portion of my tree collection in 25-gallon pots. Many of them are in the ground now:

July 2014.jpg 

I really like figs, but that's not the end of it. Here's a list of the perennial fruiting plants I am cultivating. I had to narrow it down for space considerations.

Apple, Gordon
Apple, White Winter Pearmain
Apricot, Gold Kist
Aprium, Cot-N-Candy
Avocado, Holiday
Avocado, Reed
Blackberry, Arapaho
Blueberry, O'Neill
Blueberry, Sunshine Blue
California Huckleberry
Cherry, Holly Leaf (CA native)
Cherry, Minnie Royal
Cherry, Royal Lee
Cherry Of The Rio Grande
Citrus, Grapefruit, Rio Red
Citrus, Kumquat, Seedless
Citrus, Lemon, Eureka
Citrus, Lime, Bearss
Citrus, Lime, Kaffir
Citrus, Mandarin, Frost Owari Satsuma
Citrus, Mandarin, Gold Nugget
Citrus, Orange, MidKnight
Citrus, Orange, Sanguinelli
Citrus, Orange, Washington
Fig, Janice-Kadota Seedless
Fig, Panache
Fig, Violette de Bordeaux
Grape, Black Manukka
Grape, Gold Manukka
Grape, Southern Home
Green Sapote
Jaboticaba
Java Plum
Jujube, Li
Kei Apple
Konkerberry
Loquat, Big Jim
Mango, Valencia Pride
Mulberry, Persian, Black
Musa, Brazilian
Musa, Mysore
Musa, Namwah
Musa, Pisang Ceylon
Naranjilla
Nectaplum, Spice Zee
Nectarine, Snow Queen
Passion Fruit, Frederick
Peach, Mid Pride
Persimmon, Izu
Pineapple Guava, Nazmetz
Pitaya, American Beauty
Plum, Beauty
Plumcot, Flavor Grenade
Pomegranate, DPUN 0139 (Myagkosemyannyi Rosovyi)
Raspberry, Bababerry
Shisandra Vine, Eastern Prince
Strawberry, White Alpine
Surinam Cherry
White Sapote, Sue Bell


Beautiful stuff Richard.365 day a year harvesting,welcome to the forum.

Paul

I recognize that yard!  Welcome aboard, Richard!

I know your yard space is spoken for, but I see an entire roof that could be covered with figs :)

Looks great Richard, very nice list. 

Welcome to the forum. 

Scott

Nice variety, welcome to the forum Richard.

Welcome!  Congratulations on your orchard!   You can still graft things so you can have lots of varieties of all the fruit you've planted.

Thanks Bob, I don't graft multiple varieties onto a tree. If I'm going to have a cultivar of something I want a harvest, not just a few samples!

Now James has suggested that I put potted plants on the roof. If it snowed here the house might have been built to take the weight but no ... On the otherhand, I'm considering the spare 1/4 acre in front of the house across the street!!

Hermitian, that is really an impressive undertaking!  

Have any started fruiting?  Did you plant dwarf apples for economy of space?  What did you add to amend the soil?  Any access to supplemental water?

I plan to get the Thai lime from a California nursery this late spring for cooking and cleaning products...  Being in zone 4 it will have to be brought into the basement in the fall...

Thanks greenbud! Yes I had harvests on most plants in 2014. The weather here has interesting effects on some fruits for example I had 3 crops of apples, 3 crops on the VdB fig, two crops on the Plum, 3 crops on the Arapaho blackberry, and the Bababerry raspberry has been fruiting continuously. :)

Many of the trees are on semi-dwarf if available. I am an aggressive pruner, keeping overall height on most varieties to 8 feet. My father owned Sanford's book when I was a kid, so I've been following it since the 60's. In addition I do a summer pruning after harvest on a tree to control height. The figs though, I follow Jon's advice for San Diego county and cut them once in January waist high and perhaps thin a few unruly canes in the summer.


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Originally Posted by Hermitian
I'm considering the spare 1/4 acre in front of the house across the street!!

That lot would look pretty good with 100+ fig trees...

Pretty awesome

Nice place and impressive collection you have, Richard. Welcome to the forum.

Yeah James, 1/4 acre with on average 12' spacing would be about 300 fruit trees. The installation cost for automated irrigation would be about $3k.

Hi Hermitian,
Nice grow list.
Citrus, orange and bananas are on my  "to grow list" for somewhere in the futur... A dream for now in Zone7 .
If you're looking for ideas, you could try to add Tayberry and gooseberry "Golden drop" to your list . I'm growing those two :)

That is a very impressive list. Welcome!

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Originally Posted by Hermitian
Yeah James, 1/4 acre with on average 12' spacing would be about 300 fruit trees. The installation cost for automated irrigation would be about $3k.

That sounds awesome.  Maybe you could continue your miniature golf course over there :)

Would you have use for 300 more fruit trees, or would that be more than you'd want?  Is there an upper limit to what you'd want to manage?


Those pots must be hot in your zone.
Maybe the 25gal are not getting hot as fast as smaller ones?

James: the real limit is what we can eat and the cost of operations. Water would be $80/mo., fertilizer about $12/mo., pesticide $60/yr., grove maintenance -- if I hired someone -- about $1600/yr. Now before you mention selling the fruit to offset costs, I'll point out that the annual cost of the licenses in CA would make that mute for this small of an operation.

Eli: I am in zone 10b but the the weather here in western Vista CA is unlike that of other 10b regions in the U.S. In comparison -- our humidity is remarkably low, our winters warm (it's currently 78F outside), our spring is cool, our summer is moderate, and our fall is warm. So no, the trees in the 25 gallon pots don't get particularly hot and neither did the smaller pots which were 15 gallon.

Here's a screen shot of yesterday's weather and humidity. Notice at 2pm some clouds came in off the ocean and dropped the temps by 10F. If they hadn't, the temperature would have been back down at 70F by 4pm.

Weather History Graph.JPG


The figs they came a one by one ...

Today I transplanted Janice-Kadota Seedless from a 25-gallon pot into the ground.

Janice-Kadota 2015-02 planted.jpg 


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Originally Posted by Hermitian
James: the real limit is what we can eat and the cost of operations. Water would be $80/mo., fertilizer about $12/mo., pesticide $60/yr., grove maintenance -- if I hired someone -- about $1600/yr. Now before you mention selling the fruit to offset costs, I'll point out that the annual cost of the licenses in CA would make that mute for this small of an operation.


What kind of license would you need? Not challenging your claim. I'm just interested in knowing. I tried doing a Google search and struck out finding any real facts. Mostly, I found stuff about the California Home Food Act. Under that new law, I could make things like preserves or dried fruit in my own kitchen and sell them directly yo consumers (such as at a farmer's market) with no license, as long as my annual take is under $35K. Common sense tells me that if I am allowed to sell processed foods, there are generally less restrictions on non-processed foods, so there should be some way to do it. Also, my local grocer keeps telling me that when my figs are ready, he would like to sell some. Maybe he is assuming I have some sort of license. Anyway, I'm rambling. Please enlighten me because I was hoping to peddle some fruit in my retirement someday.

Nice bump, not sure how I missed the original post as I asked for it!

Nice list of varieties. I'm growing a number of the same varieties up here but you can get more tropical down there, jealous of those :)

You hand watering all those trees? Installing a drip system isn't that hard and will save you a lot of time in the long run. Also mulching the trees will conserve water and improve the soil. You can call a local tree trimmer and they will dump a load on your driveway for free.

Looking forward to the in ground pics from this growing season....

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Originally Posted by cyberfarmer
What kind of license would you need?  ... Mostly, I found stuff about the California Home Food Act. Under that new law, I could make things like preserves or dried fruit in my own kitchen and sell them directly yo consumers (such as at a farmer's market) with no license, as long as my annual take is under $35K. ...


The Home Food Act doesn't except you from Health Department licensing and inspection.
If you are growing food for public consumption of any kind you'll need an Ag License from the CDFA.
If you are using pesticides of any kind you'll need a site license and operators license.
If you are going to try and claim organic then you'll need USDA NOP certification.

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Originally Posted by ohjustaguy
... You hand watering all those trees?...


I have an automated irrigation/fertigation system that is just about complete.

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Originally Posted by ohjustaguy
... Also mulching the trees will conserve water and improve the soil. ...


After the first watering, I add about 8 cubic feet of mulch to the basin. There's currently about 10 yards of it sitting in my driveway. :)

too many citruses...not enough mangos.

If you like grapes so much, it's probably a good idea to have jaboticabas.  Plural.

Cherry of the Rio Grande is inferior to Grumichamas, if you're into that sort of thing.

Jujube will sucker.  If you're going to grow it, try for one of the nice varieties.  Might want pollination company.  So does feijoa and loquat.  Will fruit, but likes company.  Loquat is easy, just graft a different variety for that task.

Imbe is troublesome in that you need a male and female, but it should be a better fruit than Kei apple.  Or the more exotic garcinias like the one from Mexico or the usual Rheedia sp. if you're ambitious.

Lastly...Cherimoya is one of the great fruits.  How come no cherimoya?

Jackfruit and sapodillas are possible, too.





You are lucky your land is flat!  Ours is 1.5 acres full of boulders sloping down to a seasonal stream and halfway up the next hill.  Part has irrigation.  Part does not, but we do have a variety of figs and other fruit and nuts.  The macadamia is my pride and joy.  It's very happy in it's spot next to an Anna Apple.  It's on the South side of a big boulder and the heat from the boulder keeps it sheltered and happy during the nights.  It even snowed here and stuck for 6 hours, but it didn't miss a beat.  Growing as it should.

Still, my figs are my favorite and I'm going to experiment on the East facing opposite hill with NO irrigation.  I'm going to use cuttings froim MY trees, dig a slant hole under a boulder which will provide moisture and shelter, and see what happens.

Good luck with all your trees and happy eating!

Suzi

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Originally Posted by shah8
too many citruses...not enough mangos.
The Citruses provide year round fruit. Mango produces once per year.
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Originally Posted by shah8
If you like grapes so much, it's probably a good idea to have jaboticabas. Plural.
No more room in that location.
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Originally Posted by shah8
Cherry of the Rio Grande is inferior to Grumichamas.
Grumichama struggles in my microclimate.
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Originally Posted by shah8
Jujube will sucker. If you're going to grow it, try for one of the nice varieties.
I'm growing Li.
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Originally Posted by shah8
Might want pollination company. So does feijoa and loquat. Will fruit, but likes company.
I've never had production problems with Nazemetz or Big Jim.
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Imbe is troublesome in that you need a male and female, but it should be a better fruit than Kei apple.
I love the flavor of Kei Apple both for cooking and fresh eating. Never grown Imbe - I'll check into it.
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Originally Posted by shah8
Or the more exotic garcinias like the one from Mexico or the usual Rheedia sp. if you're ambitious.
The fruit quality is poor when grown in my location. I can get better quality imported from Mexico at the local market.
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Cherimoya is one of the great fruits.  How come no cherimoya?
The Annonacin level is too high for my preference, and the amount of denial from the growers association reminds me of the tobacco industry.
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Originally Posted by shah8
Jackfruit and sapodillas are possible, too.
I can get better quality imported from Mexico at the local market.

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