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Why some fig cutting is so expensive ???

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Originally Posted by HarveyC
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Originally Posted by jerval
Now, if you think figs are crazy, how about tulips???  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
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At the peak of tulip mania, in March 1637, some single tulip bulbs sold for more than 10 times the annual income of a skilled craftsman.

Maybe we should start a mania for certain figs, run the price up in to the tens of thousands, then cash out ;-)


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Originally Posted by bullet08

other than few that we know imported things into US using proper papers,


Yes, that is my question.

WHO DO WE KNOW ?

I don't see anybody stating this fact in their ebay listings,
so who has the proper paperwork that is a seller on ebay ?

When trying to sell a foreign variety,
the buyer would feel more confident if the seller was a licensed importer,
and the seller would promote such a fact,
to assure the buyer.
But I don't see this on ebay or anywhere actually.

So, I ask again,  WHO, what seller(s) ?


Please make  me and others reading this thread,
 part of  the  "we"  in the know.
Thank you.

 
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as far as i know jon is the only one that i know who has gone through the whole thing. i think there are few others, but not sure how far they have gone through and if they have quarantine area and getting inspected. some of the sellers such as herman has nursery licence. others do have import license. but most that i know who has them do not sell on ebay. import licence do not give right to distribute the cuttings once it enters the CONUS. they have to be quarantined and inspected by the USDA before allowed to distributed. that's 2 or more yrs. 
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Ok, thanks for the answer.

SO, logically, other than Jon/Figs4Fun,
one has to question the authenticity of any current  hot/desirable "foreign" cutting/plant
that is sold on ebay by a domestic seller.
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hungryjack,

I have well over 225 cultivars that I collected from various nurseries and private collectors.
There's no doubt in my mind most of those cultivars came into the US by others means than proper documents.

The "fig" along with many other plant material have been imported into the US from other parts of the World for hundreds of years.

It is seems the only time you come crawling out of your hole is when the topic about importation emerges. You try to strike fear into the hearts of these good people here. I can read between the lines.

What ever your agenda is, I myself and including some other members here have taken notice of you. Just like the time when you made up another I.D. and trolled here and on another forum. You want to deny that?

How do you think UCDAVIS got most of their collection Mr. Know It All? Read more into it and you will quickly see theirs was built most out of private collectors. You think they took the time to investigate how or when that plant got to the U.S.?

Unless you want to make yourself useful and contribute on topic anther than trying to scare people I advice you to STFU or go BARK UP ANOTHER TREE!!!





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one has to question every cuttings on the ebay. we have seen too many times when said cutting turn out to be something completely different. most don't even grow the trees. they get cuttings and flip it. there are sellers on this forum who are actually growing the tree and know what the fig will taste like. i only buy or trade with members on this forum that has grown their own trees. why make life complicated when you know there are people who can back up their figs? 
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100% agree with what Rafed said.

Hungryjack,

You are only hungry for drama. Just a few months ago you were posting under another made up name and account, rating about your BS, as always. We don't need you here.

By the way, since you have stated that you're an importer with proper papers and license, why don't you post your USDA Import and Exporting license number here? I remember three other members had asked you the same question last year and earlier this year, but you went MIA.
Shame on you.

Navid.
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Originally Posted by jerval
I'm a newbies but i never will pay does crazy prices , you can call me cheap but I really work hard for my money


This question has been asked many times. :)

Your comment reminds me of when I first started buying banana plants in 2005 or so and I said I would never pay more than $25 for a banana plant.  It was just crazy, I thought.  Then I paid $40 or so for one and then I saw some others that I just had to have (Ae Ae, a variegated variety).  I paid $200 for one, then $225 for one that looked even nicer, and than $200 for two more that were so large that I just had to have them.  They all died as they are very cold sensitive!!!  I paid over $200 for a large miracle fruit plant that also died for reasons I never could figure out!!!  Compared to that, what I've paid for figs (some over $200), is a bargain because they grow so easy for me and produce abundant nice fruits.

A lot of people like to blame the evil banks and Wall Street for the financial collapse of 2008.  What about all the craziness of home buyers? This frenzy resulted in prices that went way beyond reason, especially in some areas.  Just the fact that prices were seemingly continually going up lead folks to bid even higher.

If someone can afford such a discretionary purchase and they see a fig they really want, I see no reason to fault them for paying a high price.  It can give a lifetime of pleasure.  For people that paying high prices would cause a financial burden, they should wait and enjoy photos and wait until prices come down.

Now, if you think figs are crazy, how about tulips???  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
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At the peak of tulip mania, in March 1637, some single tulip bulbs sold for more than 10 times the annual income of a skilled craftsman.




Your tulips point says it all Harvey!

Manny
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Originally Posted by rafed


What ever your agenda is, I myself and including some other members here have taken notice of you. Just like the time when you made up another I.D. and trolled here and on another forum. You want to deny that?

How do you think UCDAVIS got most of their collection Mr. Know It All? Read more into it and you will quickly see theirs was built most out of private collectors. You think they took the time to investigate how or when that plant got to the U.S.?

Unless you want to make yourself useful and contribute on topic anther than trying to scare people I advice you to STFU or go BARK UP ANOTHER TREE!!!







Why the hostility ?
Something to hide ?

Yes, please tell me what Id I used to troll
this board and others,
and how you,
can be so positive its me ?
I take offense to your unbased and false accusation.
My  id on Gardweb is  figfever, never made a single post on that website.


UCDAVIS  has an import permit, for your information.

I'm not asking about foreign varieties that have been in the US
for years.


Again,  why such hostility on your part ?
I asked a very valid question,
and out you come swinging,  why ?
I ask a question
and you act like its a threat to you personally,
that is VERY obvious from your response.



Asking about the new varieties that we read about overseas,
and they magically appear on ebay from a domestic seller ?


Some new new hot variety that exists overseas,
and somehow people have it here for sale.
I asked how.

There are so many on ebay selling any cutting
as the latest and greatest,
only for the buyers to find out later on they were duped,
you can read that dozens of times on any forum.

So when  seller XYZ is selling  black mission cuttings as black maderia
because that is the latest hot cutting,
then how do I know seller LMO  who is selling the new hot variety cutting,
that has no import permit,
is not just selling some other variety ?

 
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100% agree with what Rafed said. Hungryjack, You are only hungry for drama. Just a few months ago you were posting under another made up name and account, rating about your BS, as always. We don't need you here. By the way, since you have stated that you're an importer with proper papers and license, why don't you post your USDA Import and Exporting license number here? I remember three other members had asked you the same question last year and earlier this year, but you went MIA. Shame on you. Navid.


Another internet expert,
please post the ID
and how you know.

Afterwards, when proven wrong,
I expect an apology.


Sorry,
did not see the requests for my  import license ID previously.
Would you be kind enough to point them out, I will update the thread.
I go "missing" as I own a commercial fishing boat and can spend weeks
and months at a time away from land or access/time to use a computer.

USDA POSTENTRY PERMIT NUMBER
PE37-13-00017

My shipments clear through the Linden, New Jersey inspection station
which services imports brought through Newark Airport,
or the Jamaica, Queens location which services JFK airport.

For good cultural and biosecurity reasons,
I maintain TWO quarantine facilities in two locations
separated by miles, with duplication of all varieties at each locations.
I also cultivate figs in 4 locations, two in New York
and two in New Jersey.
Any other questions I can answer for you ?
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I have nothing to hide.
I have had total strangers come to my house and see what I have. I open the door for them and their questions were answered. And they left with big smiles on their faces.

Does this sound like I have something to hide?

As far as you go? Your past posts tell your story. That's all I will say.
And yes, you have an IP that has been linked to another poster here and in the fig.yuku. forum. Can you deny that?
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Originally Posted by bullet08
one has to question every cuttings on the ebay. we have seen too many times when said cutting turn out to be something completely different. most don't even grow the trees.


THANK YOU for the drama free response.


What you state is 1000% correct and been proven many times
with reports from members of not getting what was advertised.
From collectors and even some nurseries.

That is what I am asking.
How does a collector know.

If one reads about  FGHYT fig from some nursery
or collection overseas,
and some collector,
known or not, then has this variety for sale
on ebay the following or current season,
how can there be trust this variety is true to name
since it couldn't have been legally imported or distributed in such a short time.


I ask this tough and obviously volatile question
because the problem is only compounding by an exponential rate at this point.
Just look at the number of new fig sellers on ebay added every year,
many collect cuttings, grow a plant one season and cut/sell in the fall.
Nothing wrong with that really,  but how do THEY know what they are selling,
it never fruited, they have no experience with the variety.

Add in all the new unknown figs that are renamed every year and added
to the ever growing list of fig names,
and in another year or two,
there will be 3,000+ "fig varieties"
and when someone talks about LMO fig, there will be 30 different
cultivars with that name.

Naming was always a minor issue with figs,
but in the past few years it has grown dramatically,
and is now growing exponentially.
This is a problem,
and one the  community needs to address,
because it is detrimental to the hobby as a whole.

 
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And yes, you have an IP that has been linked to another poster here and in the fig.yuku. forum. Can you deny that?


I have no idea if an IP address that I might use
at a public location, like a wireless hotspot,
was used to post on another website.


 
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Originally Posted by hungryjack

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Originally Posted by rafed

And yes, you have an IP that has been linked to another poster here and in the fig.yuku. forum. Can you deny that?


I have no idea if an IP address that I might use
at a public location, like a wireless hotspot,
was used to post on another website.


 



So,
What you're saying is someone hacked into your IP and/or wireless hotspot and made up another I.D. with a couple of forums which just so happen you are a part of and posted? Am I getting this right? See where it's going?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not as bright as many seem to think I am so please explain to me at little more?
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hungryjack,

I have a question,
Are you going to be selling fig related material on ebay or by other means sometime in the near future?
Such as cuttings, plants or both?

If yes,
Are they going to be the more common types or some rares ones?
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Originally Posted by rafed
hungryjack,

I have a question,
Are you going to be selling fig related material on ebay or by other means sometime in the near future?
Such as cuttings, plants or both?

If yes,
Are they going to be the more common types or some rares ones?





Three years ago I purchased the entire personal collection of Chris DiPaola of Belleclare Nursery,
have you seen cuttings/plants of them for sale on ebay from me ?

To date I've only supplied cuttings to commercial orchards/growers,
only a couple of BC plants to a couple of friends as gifts, none to fig collectors,
and one small fig tree that Chris DiPaola wanted for his new residence,
the only tree he currently owns.

I imported both types,
common and what would be considered rare,
and some others collectors would not care about.
All for the same reason,
TO ASSURE AUTHENTICY.

Its like the game of TELEPHONE many played as children,
line 7 kids up,
first one whispers a simple message into the seconds ear,
its passed to the next the same way,
when it reaches child number 7,
the message is ALWAYS different.
Works exactly the same with figs many times,
mislabeling, accidentally or intentionally, is compounded along
the way with each and every new cutting propagated and distributed in some format.
Look at the frequency at which you see reports of mislabeling occurring on this website.
Even with well established easy to obtain varieties, we now see confusion cropping up.

This problem must be address in some fashion,
otherwise figs will obtain the classification of weeds with different color fruit in the future.
If the hobby is represented on this website
then a solution needs to be found here.
Times change, while naming could once be considered a minor problem or even the "fun" in figs,
with the exponential growth of this problem,
it will lead to its downfall.
If a hobbyist cannot be sure of what they are purchasing,
it destroys that hobby.  Has happened many times before in many different hobbies,
with an influx of counterfeits to that hobby. Creates instability for all involved.
In some hobbies this has been alleviated with third party services such as
authentication and grading.

Question for you,
why does it matter to you ?
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Originally Posted by rafed

So,
What you're saying is someone hacked into your IP and/or wireless hotspot and made up another I.D. with a couple of forums which just so happen you are a part of and posted? Am I getting this right? See where it's going?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not as bright as many seem to think I am so please explain to me at little more?


Can you explain to me as a member of these websites
why you have  access to the IP address of members posts ?
I'm a member of this site and don't have your IP address. or anyone else,
nor should I according to the privacy policy of this website.
That would violate the internet privacy act the websites are required to follow by law.
And why would they share this with you.

See where it's going.

PS.  I'm on a shared computer right now for your IP tracking amusement.
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Originally Posted by hungryjack

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Originally Posted by rafed
hungryjack,

I have a question,
Are you going to be selling fig related material on ebay or by other means sometime in the near future?
Such as cuttings, plants or both?

If yes,
Are they going to be the more common types or some rares ones?





Three years ago I purchased the entire personal collection of Chris DiPaola of Belleclare Nursery,
have you seen cuttings/plants of them for sale on ebay from me ?

To date I've only supplied cuttings to commercial orchards/growers,
only a couple of BC plants to a couple of friends as gifts, none to fig collectors,
and one small fig tree that Chris DiPaola wanted for his new residence,
the only tree he currently owns.

I imported both types,
common and what would be considered rare,
and some others collectors would not care about.
All for the same reason,
TO ASSURE AUTHENTICY.

Its like the game of TELEPHONE many played as children,
line 7 kids up,
first one whispers a simple message into the seconds ear,
its passed to the next the same way,
when it reaches child number 7,
the message is ALWAYS different.
Works exactly the same with figs many times,
mislabeling, accidentally or intentionally, is compounded along
the way with each and every new cutting propagated and distributed in some format.
Look at the frequency at which you see reports of mislabeling occurring on this website.
Even with well established easy to obtain varieties, we now see confusion cropping up.

This problem must be address in some fashion,
otherwise figs will obtain the classification of weeds with different color fruit in the future.
If the hobby is represented on this website
then a solution needs to be found here.
Times change, while naming could once be considered a minor problem or even the "fun" in figs,
with the exponential growth of this problem,
it will lead to its downfall.
If a hobbyist cannot be sure of what they are purchasing,
it destroys that hobby.  Has happened many times before in many different hobbies,
with an influx of counterfeits to that hobby. Creates instability for all involved.
In some hobbies this has been alleviated with third party services such as
authentication and grading.

Question for you,
why does it matter to you ?



I asked a simple question.
Do you plan on selling on ebay or anywhere else in the near future? Just answer the question. I don't care how or where your obtained you material.

EDIT: Sorry I missed the last sentence.
The answer is: Motive
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Originally Posted by rafed

So,
What you're saying is someone hacked into your IP and/or wireless hotspot and made up another I.D. with a couple of forums which just so happen you are a part of and posted? Am I getting this right? See where it's going?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not as bright as many seem to think I am so please explain to me at little more?


Can you explain to me as a member of these websites
why you have  access to the IP address of members posts ?
I'm a member of this site and don't have your IP address. or anyone else,
nor should I according to the privacy policy of this website.
That would violate the internet privacy act the websites are required to follow by law.
And why would they share this with you.

See where it's going.

PS.  I'm on a shared computer right now for your IP tracking amusement.



One example is when someone connected to your IP attacked Bass.
Who said it was your IP or how is not your business.

I don't have the luxury and or he knowledge to find that out myself.  But I trust the source more than I will trust you.
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hungryjack, will you eventually make the varieties you've imported available to hobbyists via eBay or other means?  If so, that should help avoid confusion which, as you say, can be harmful to the hobby.  If not, why not?  If you will only sell to commercial growers, will you sell to me?
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One example is when someone connected to your IP attacked Bass.
Who said it was your IP or how is not your business.

I don't have the luxury and or he knowledge to find that out myself. 

But I trust the source more than I will trust you.




YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING WE ARE ONE AND THE SAME !
Read what you wrote.

You kind of just proved my point with your source comment.
If  GHJ fig only exists at  TTT nursery in Turkey,
then that is the source or someone/organization that imported
it directly from TTT.
Joeblow selling GHJ from his backyard with no permit is not a source
and never should be considered one.

Oh, I beg to differ, if the source of the IP address is actually the source,
they they broke the law by telling you this information.
So now who to believe once again is the case,
just like in figs.

Wether you trust me or not, I don't care,
you falsely accused me of something,
I offer you this opportunity to retract or correct your comments.
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Originally Posted by rafed


One example is when someone connected to your IP attacked Bass.
Who said it was your IP or how is not your business.

I don't have the luxury and or he knowledge to find that out myself. 

But I trust the source more than I will trust you.






Wether you trust me or not, I don't care,
you falsely accused me of something,
I offer you this opportunity to retract or correct your comments.



Not going to happen. Now go do what you want to do.

Why should I take your word?
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Originally Posted by HarveyC
hungryjack, will you eventually make the varieties you've imported available to hobbyists via eBay or other means?  If so, that should help avoid confusion which, as you say, can be harmful to the hobby.  If not, why not?  If you will only sell to commercial growers, will you sell to me?


Imported varieties are not out of quarantine yet.
No plans to sell on ebay at this point,
as I don't have the ability/time to deal with retail orders,
due my businesses.

If you are interested in growing for fruit production, yes,
but as you know, dealing with cali and az regulations
is both expensive and a nightmare at times.
So as practice to date, I've avoided any activity in CA,AZ,HI,AK
and export as well, workin on that.
If you want to accept all costs and responsibility for a shipment,
I could accommodate you in early 2015,
everything for 2014 is spoken for at this point.
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Not going to happen. Now go do what you want to do.

Nothing,
just as pointless and baseless as your accusations are.

Have a nice day,
sorry your fig biz gig feels threated,
kind of obvious to all,  LMAO.
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Originally Posted by rafed


Not going to happen. Now go do what you want to do.

Nothing,
just as pointless and baseless as your accusations are.

Have a nice day,
sorry your fig biz gig feels threated,
kind of obvious to all,  LMAO.



Not threatened at all.
I sold a few at one time and that was it. Every other time I give the stuff away. At no cost to the material or the shipping.

And in conclusion,
As for hiding anything? I welcome you to come and see my collection. And you can bring the USDA with you.

Now you have a nice day.
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