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Why some fig cutting is so expensive ???

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hungryjack, will you eventually make the varieties you've imported available to hobbyists via eBay or other means?  If so, that should help avoid confusion which, as you say, can be harmful to the hobby.  If not, why not?  If you will only sell to commercial growers, will you sell to me?


Imported varieties are not out of quarantine yet.
No plans to sell on ebay at this point,
as I don't have the ability/time to deal with retail orders,
due my businesses.

If you are interested in growing for fruit production, yes,
but as you know, dealing with cali and az regulations
is both expensive and a nightmare at times.
So as practice to date, I've avoided any activity in CA,AZ,HI,AK
and export as well, workin on that.
If you want to accept all costs and responsibility for a shipment,
I could accommodate you in early 2015,
everything for 2014 is spoken for at this point.


I realize they are not out of quarantine yet but I can be patient.

If you could, please email me harveyc at gmail dot com works easiest and let me know what you will have available next year.  Cuttings would be easiest for me and for you. Thanks

Interesting story that I shared with someone the other day. Sometimes varieties are more available than we realize.  I went to a chestnut conference in Italy and really wanted to import some Italian chestnuts.  Chestnuts are a prohibited item, though, and can only be imported by USDA research stations or facilities they approve.  While I did later work with such a facility, I first acquired some of the most desirable varieties from an old retired UCD professor who had imported some of the best varieties 25 years ago or so and nothing was ever done with them other than sitting in a small block that the university still has set aside for him out of respect.  Even though I had talked to him here several times before, he never mentioned it.  He happened to be in Italy at the time of the conference to receive an award in Bologna (25 of the professors there had studied under him so they were recognizing him for the help) and he was friends with the conference organizer.  So, while in Italy, I learned of things that were in my own "back yard".  I suspect many varieties have been imported over the years that we just don't know about.  I'm meeting with a fig breeder as soon as we can reschedule after he gets over his illness and I would not be the least bit surprised if he has many varieties imported that I don't know about.  Figs were easier to import until last spring.
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HungryJack,apparently the only person who has access to an import license and the only person who knows the law. Why do you always focus on importing figs and then have none for sale? What are you trying to prove? Seems to me you just like to stir the pot. Or maybe set yourself up as the only legitimate fig importer so you can get future business? What a joke And yes it was you sending stupid messages to Yuku trying to start your crap there too. Time for you to get lost.
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Hungryjack,

I did contact the USDA-APHIS Office in Maryland. The Post Entry Permit number that you had provided was not registered with USDA. That is what the agent that I had a lengthy conversation, told me. Again, shame on you.

Come out of the 'invisible mode'. Your sentences are full of hyperboles, large fonts and colors, get over yourself. You ain't intimidating anyone here. And yes, it was you who created different accounts last year and earlier this year, to attack Bass and others, and when you were called out by a member of this forum who works in Internet security, you were gone for weeks. Maybe you were gone fishing or importing more figs.... What a joke.

If you have a 'Post Entery Import-Export Permit' take a photo of it and post it here. Post the name of your nursery as well.

Navid.
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I realize they are not out of quarantine yet but I can be patient.

If you could, please email me harveyc at gmail dot com works easiest and let me know what you will have available next year.  Cuttings would be easiest for me and for you. Thanks

Interesting story that I shared with someone the other day. Sometimes varieties are more available than we realize.  I went to a chestnut conference in Italy and really wanted to import some Italian chestnuts.  Chestnuts are a prohibited item, though, and can only be imported by USDA research stations or facilities they approve.  While I did later work with such a facility, I first acquired some of the most desirable varieties from an old retired UCD professor who had imported some of the best varieties 25 years ago or so and nothing was ever done with them other than sitting in a small block that the university still has set aside for him out of respect.  Even though I had talked to him here several times before, he never mentioned it.  He happened to be in Italy at the time of the conference to receive an award in Bologna (25 of the professors there had studied under him so they were recognizing him for the help) and he was friends with the conference organizer.  So, while in Italy, I learned of things that were in my own "back yard".  I suspect many varieties have been imported over the years that we just don't know about.  I'm meeting with a fig breeder as soon as we can reschedule after he gets over his illness and I would not be the least bit surprised if he has many varieties imported that I don't know about.  Figs were easier to import until last spring.


Agree, never know what can find in your own backyard.
As an aside, I started getting involved with growing native plants,
aka "weeds"  for  state restoration projects.  I grow out for seed production.
Just like the weeds in the backyard  :-)
Something you might want to look into for your geographic region,
on a per acre basis it will beat most crops by a wide margin.
If the opportunity exists, its worthwhile to persue, IMO.
As the federal regulators force more fishermen out of business every year,
want something new to do,
so I will sell them weed seeds now instead !

Figs were easier to import until the recent changes,
but were never easy enough for the casual grower or hobbyist,
as evidenced by limited number of professionals willing to take on the task and expense.

When you meet with the fig breeder,
can you ask about leaf margins and striations holding true to a variety.
Also if he has experienced any genetic drift over time with propagation by cuttings,
this he should have some input on.
Thank
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Shame on me ?

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Hungryjack, I did contact the USDA-APHIS Office in Maryland.
The Post Entry Permit number that you had provided was not registered with USDA.
That is what the agent that I had a lengthy conversation, told me.
Again, shame on you.
Come out of the 'invisible mode'. Your sentences are full of hyperboles, large fonts and colors, get over yourself. You ain't intimidating anyone here. And yes, it was you who created different accounts last year and earlier this year, to attack Bass and others, and when you were called out by a member of this forum who works in Internet security, you were gone for weeks. Maybe you were gone fishing or importing more figs.... What a joke. If you have a 'Post Entery Import-Export Permit' take a photo of it and post it here. Post the name of your nursery as well. Navid.


Yes, I agree what a joke  I am dealing with.
Thought maybe I transposed a number when I posted my permit number,
so I check, its correct.
Appreciate your thoroughness in the matter,
but I hope your fig skills are greater than your detective skills.
Because just like earlier in this thread, you are wrong once again.
Maybe you will be a man and apologize,
or will the fig clique continue with its attacks?

My invisible USDA Import permit that does not exist according to your expert opinion and assorted hyperbole.
I covered some personal information with plant tags from some imported plants for your amusement.
[P1040244_zpsa658db17] 
Close up of import number incase you feel the need for further investigation.
[P1040257_zps9602bcf3] 
Countries I am permited to import from
[P1040260_zpsd5f9225f] 
Hope this meets with your satisfaction Detective.
:-)

PS.  this is my most recent one, I had others issued in previous years,
but the USDA combined them all into a single permit last year.
They are valid for 5 years.
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So we can agree your motive is to corner the fig market?
You accuse us of attacking you but at least we don't make up false ID's and attack others like you have done.

You responded to Navid with the permit issue but you left out the part about when you were called out from a member with the internet security.

I'm not here attacking you. I'm standing up to you! Look back at your previous posts and tell me if you're not using intimidation here?

But it's obvious you have a motive here. You're trying to market yourself for your future fig sales.
Had you come on to it in a better way we could have welcomed and embraced you.

I had my suspicion about you and what you were all about. Thanks for confirming that.
I don't have a horse in the race of selling here. I have nothing to gain or lose. At least not at the moment.

And if indeed you are going to sell in the future, I wish nothing but good luck.
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So we can agree your motive is to corner the fig market?
You accuse us of attacking you but at least we don't make up false ID's and attack others like you have done.

You responded to Navid with the permit issue but you left out the part about when you were called out from a member with the internet security.

I'm not here attacking you. I'm standing up to you! Look back at your previous posts and tell me if you're not using intimidation here?

But it's obvious you have a motive here. You're trying to market yourself for your future fig sales.
Had you come on to it in a better way we could have welcomed and embraced you.

I had my suspicion about you and what you were all about. Thanks for confirming that.
I don't have a horse in the race of selling here. I have nothing to gain or lose. At least not at the moment.

And if indeed you are going to sell in the future, I wish nothing but good luck.






You can assume all you like,
and I don't agree with any of your assumptions.

Not attacking, that fine,
then you are accusing me,
and I am responding to those accusations in a manner that is appropriate,
considering the tone and subject of your accusations.
If you want to play, then sometimes it comes back to you.

Done responding to your unending silliness,
you were proven wrong,
you refuse to admit or apologize
and think somehow you can demand more and more answers
to your continued silly accusations.
I could have sold Belleclare cuttings/plants on ebay for the last 3 years,
and sold plenty, this fact you ignore,
but continue with your ASSumptions  and accusations.
Somehow you feel justified doing this, like you are the gatekeeper.

Dude, I don't need your approval for anything,
you are not the fig god  you believe you are.
But thanks for the wish of luck in the future,
I can tell you really mean it !
Have fun with your figs this season.
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Dude, I don't need your approval for anything,
you are not the fig god  you believe you are.
LOL. Really? I believe only in one God. That's God Almighty!



But thanks for the wish of luck in the future,
I can tell you really mean it !
Yes I do mean that.

Have fun with your figs this season.
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I'm not going back and forth with you. One would not go through all this hassle with the permits and quarantine and everything associated if he or she didn't have motivation other than reselling.
This chips are falling in place.


Like I said, Good luck.
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HungryJack,apparently the only person who has access to an import license and the only person who knows the law. Why do you always focus on importing figs and then have none for sale? What are you trying to prove? Seems to me you just like to stir the pot. Or maybe set yourself up as the only legitimate fig importer so you can get future business? What a joke And yes it was you sending stupid messages to Yuku trying to start your crap there too. Time for you to get lost.


Not out of quarantine yet,
they are not my property,
they belong to the USDA  until they are released to me.
Feds get upset when you take their property.

I see from your comments you are a member of the fig clique,
when I first started posting on this site,
I got into a discussion about this same topic, fig naming,
with the future founder of Fig Yuku.
He had made some very valid points about fig naming
which I agreed 100% with.
Couple of days later he started another thread,
assigning some exotic name to some local fig he found.
I simply pointed out to him,
that he was doing exactly what he had commented earlier
should not be done with fig naming.  He was breaking his own
set of suggested rules.  I pointed this out, and he lost his cool,
posted numerous derogatory comments to members on this site,
and left to start his own fig forum.
Upstanding individual obviously.
So this is where all this fig clique animosity is from,
and you are one of those members.

I don't see the point of fig yuku,
there is no worthwhile activity on that website,
just a couple of members stroking each other and trying to promote
the next hot fig to buy.
The lack of activity or traction on that website bears out that fact.
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Like I said, Good luck.


Thank you.
Good luck with the extreme cold this year.
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Sorry Hungryjack,

I am a FRF member. No clique here.
Now you are making assumptions. But if you want to call the friends I made here my clique then so be it.
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Sorry Hungryjack,

I am a FRF member. No clique here.
Now you are making assumptions. But if you want to call the friends I made here my clique then so be it.

I was responding to BLB as you clearly see,
NOT YOU.
Once again you are ASSuming, please stop.
Or is a guilty conscious ?

Really, no more of this silliness,
will not respond to anymore of your comments on this thread,
as you do not stop, despite anything proven to you.
Now you comment about my comments to others,
really, enough, you're getting ridiculous, like a child.

Thanks for your well wishes,
have a fruitful season.
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Drama Queen. Blocked from Yuku and I'm glad  of it.
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Sorry Hungryjack,

I am a FRF member. No clique here.
Now you are making assumptions. But if you want to call the friends I made here my clique then so be it.

I was responding to BLB as you clearly see,
NOT YOU.
Once again you are ASSuming, please stop.
Or is a guilty conscious ?

Really, no more of this silliness,
will not respond to anymore of your comments on this thread,
as you do not stop, despite anything proven to you.
Now you comment about my comments to others,
really, enough, you're getting ridiculous, like a child.

Thanks for your well wishes,
have a fruitful season.



Ok,
I'll man up and apologize for that comment. I jumped the guns on that one.

Sorry
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Jack, how do you cope with cold weather?  I can see how hobbyists can put plants away for storage but you've mentioned before that you are growing fruit for sale, etc. and I can't imagine what goes through trying to protect these in the winter on a larger scale (something I never have to worry about, fortunately).  Are there many other commercial growers in your area?  It's not something I would have guessed to have exist.
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He can say whatever he wants Rafed, spin it any way he likes, doesn't change anything, this guy likes to post stuff to annoy. post as different people hide behind alternate handles and stir the pot. He got caught and stopped on Yuku. Don't know why people turn into trolls like that, must be a mental problem
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been reading this thread with great interest. 

rafed, barry, and navid have been a great member of this forum. rafed, and barry has been extremely generous to me. on the other hand, i don't know jack from.. well, jack. but i have noticed recently number of threads involving jack being very aggressive toward other members as if he has to have the last words. 

jack reminds me of my junior high school science teacher who enjoyed calling the kids he didn't like "blue snots" and will go on all day about how much he had to study and what a great education he had. some people are just better to forget about. 
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It's easy to let these squabbles escalate, but for what purpose?  If you think someone is doing something wrong, tossing harsh comments their direction isn't going to help change the practice or behavior.  Let's try to talk more about what we're doing right instead of knocking others.  I've been guilty of getting into many fights, but never felt good about the outcome of any of them for more than a short while.  The best fight I can say I felt good about for a long time was when as an 11 year old passing through Billings, Montana my younger brother and I saw two 13 year old white kids kicking the crap out of a younger black boy.  I told them to leave him alone and they did.  They then kicked the crap out of me while my brother and the black kid watched.  The pain only lasted for a short while, LOL
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Jack, how do you cope with cold weather?  I can see how hobbyists can put plants away for storage but you've mentioned before that you are growing fruit for sale, etc. and I can't imagine what goes through trying to protect these in the winter on a larger scale (something I never have to worry about, fortunately).  Are there many other commercial growers in your area?  It's not something I would have guessed to have exist.


Its a challenge, maybe more of a sickness :-)
I have access to large insulated walkin refridgerated boxes
that are not used during the winter months, add a small heater
on a temperature controller, and things are good.
Access to skid steers and lots of pallets make things easier,
but still a pain and an expense.

Main purpose is to grow stock,
limited amount for fruit, by also a byproduct
from stock production.
Fruit, although profitable, helps pay the other fig bills.
As a standalone mono crop business,
I doubt it could be profitable with various labor issues and costs,
labor is a bit more difficult in the NE, than the west or south,
its actually the limiting factor for many farmers,
which has caused a shift to grain in this area,
even on tiny farms compared to mid/western standards.

Not many farms in this area,
even in NJ its limited as well compared to other states.
There are a few boutique commercial small scale growers in this area
that service high end restaurants or retail at upscale farmers market servicing the locavore movement.
If they can't access the higher price points, the profit margin is too slim.
Another tough game, only getting tougher,
producing food in this country is unfashionable and unrewarded,
kind of like education :-)
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Hungryjack,

Not a detective at all. Needed to find out if your permit number was existed or not, and I was told by the USDA APHIS agent, it did not. If your permit is authentic (which I doubt), call the APHIS Office in Maryland tomorrow morning and see why it did not show in their date base.

Still stuck in invinsible mode? Now don't go and come back with a new user ID and account, we all know you too well.

Navid.
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It's easy to let these squabbles escalate, but for what purpose?  If you think someone is doing something wrong, tossing harsh comments their direction isn't going to help change the practice or behavior.  Let's try to talk more about what we're doing right instead of knocking others.  I've been guilty of getting into many fights, but never felt good about the outcome of any of them for more than a short while.  The best fight I can say I felt good about for a long time was when as an 11 year old passing through Billings, Montana my younger brother and I saw two 13 year old white kids kicking the crap out of a younger black boy.  I told them to leave him alone and they did.  They then kicked the crap out of me while my brother and the black kid watched.  The pain only lasted for a short while, LOL


*Snort!* I'm glad you don't hold that whuppin' against all of us fair skinned types, Harvey. Since this was Montana more than 40 years ago (sorry Harvey) and reasoning with such bullies was likely impossible, it would have helped to be a largish person when attempting to intimidate a couple of older and, presumably, bigger kids into leaving off from beating that kid up. I've met you, Harvey, and you aren't largish.

Did you ever pay your brother back for all of his help during that episode?
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I am very confused by something you said, Isn't it illegal right now to import any fig in to the USA from most countries (even with permits, and certificates), because of wood boring the beetles?   

Direct importation from EU countries are now not allowed.
Yes, bettle/pest issues.
Limited list of countries now for importation,
potential this will change again in the coming years.
Has more to do with compliance in the foreign country, so they are in control
of the timetable.

Also, even following all the rules,
there are so many things that can and do go wrong with importations,
something as simple as a missing piece of paper can cause refusal on a shipment,
which results in a total loss off the shipment and a wasted year of time usually.
Get an infestation, and you can loose everything as well.
Get a box of cuttings and plants that got delayed in shipping,
find them all molded out, into the inspectors garbage can as well.
Not a simple task.
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Not many farms in this area,
even in NJ its limited as well compared to other states.
There are a few boutique commercial small scale growers in this area
that service high end restaurants or retail at upscale farmers market servicing the locavore movement.
If they can't access the higher price points, the profit margin is too slim.
Another tough game, only getting tougher,
producing food in this country is unfashionable and unrewarded,
kind of like education :-)



Is the farmers market you mentioned Dexter Farm?
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Hungryjack, Not a detective at all. Needed to find out if your permit number was existed or not, and I was told by the USDA APHIS agent, it did not. If your permit is authentic (which I doubt), call the APHIS Office in Maryland tomorrow morning and see why it did not show in their date base. Still stuck in invinsible mode? Now don't go and come back with a new user ID and account, we all know you too well. Navid.


Now my permit is not authentic,
really, that desperate to make a negative response again,
too funny, another child.
Not even man enough to admit when your wrong.
I know, stick by your clique.

An apology would be more appropriate
not more of your baseless accusations.

So on that note,
I will not respond to any more of your ridiculous accusations either.

 
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Is the farmers market you mentioned Dexter Farm?


I don't know any farmers market by the name of Dexter Farm.
I wasn't talking about any particular market,
but certain type of farmers market or farm stands that caters to a certain clientele.
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