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Winter storage questions

I'm starting to get ready for winter.  Many trees are almost done dropping leaves.  Some are still in the greenhouse.  I was getting ready to pull the plug and start to get them to go dormant too.  I was planning to build another structure to house the figs in over winter. Things didn't work out.  So I was going to let them ride out the winter in the greenhouse at about 35-40 degrees.  I know dormant figs don't need light.  My question is - will them getting light hurt them?  I assume not...but just checking.  Also, what do I do with the small ones.  I have some in 1 gallon pots that are only about 8 inches high.  Do I take them indoors or are they ok in the greenhouse too?  Thanks..Tony

Just be careful using a greenhouse. Mine will hit temps of 70-80 on a sunny winter day... despite the cold temps outside. You don't want them exposed to temperature fluctuations like that or they won't make it. I plan to block out the sun on my greenhouse with a tarp on the inside to keep it temperature somewhat constant.

Tyler

Tyler, I did the same thing last season by using a tarp to block out the sun.

Did that work well for you Paul?? What type and colour of tarp did you use? Did you wrap the trees individually also?? I think our winters here would be a lot colder so I plan to wrap them individually as well to give them a bit more protection.

In my vast two years ;-) of experience overwintering potted figs in a portion of my basement that was not quite cool enough for my liking, too much warmth and water (and probably to a lesser extent, light) will coax the trees to break dormancy before you'd really like.  I suspect that light wouldn't be as great an issue if the trees were cooler and drier.  Also, in my case, the figs that got more light (direct or indirect through a basement window) were probably warmer than the others.
  Of course, the difference between a basement and a greenhouse is "night and day" where light is concerned, so much more light may have a bigger impact than I've observed.  From what I've read/heard, keeping the temps down and stabilized will be the biggest problem.
Jim

Hi ajv73,
Keeping the temperature on the low values near freezing ( 0°c - down to -10°C would be ok), can be a challenge on a sunny spot.
The tarp idea over the greenhouse is thus a good one .
My figtrees sleep outside and get all the light they want, but the temps stay on the low side until April.
For the small pots, I will bury mine in an 80 liters trashcan full of compost -that's my plan for now - I've never done it before, but I don't see where it could hurt the trees !
I wouldn't leave a small pot outside as here they will freeze solid several times for several days in the winter ...
I'm planning to protect most of the stems as well in the compost and not only the rootball .

Yep, as others have said here already just watch out they don't get too warm.  If they hit temps up around 40F or higher, they'll start making new growth, and then the sudden freeze will harm them greatly.  A couple of cycles of that happening can kill them.

Also jdsfrance:  Probably you know this part already, but if you're planning to use compost around the tree bark area, make sure to keep it light and fluffy.  If it gets too much moisture, you'll rot the bark and harm (or possibly even kill) the tree.  For the trees that I bury, I keep air space around the tops of them.  (Then a board over that air space, and mulch plus dirt on top of the board).  One year I put in dead leaves in the zone around the tree top, and they sopped up moisture and kept the area around the bark really wet... the bark on the tree rotted and I lost the top to that tree... luckily the roots survived and it regrew new tops, but I learned my lesson about avoiding mulch right around the trunks/branches... keeping air space there has been much more reliable.  My advice is if you want to use mulch as an insulator, keep it out of contact with the tree bark.

Mike   central NY state, zone 5a

Thanks for the info.  Hopefully I can make the greenhouse work.  It has an exhaust fan...so I hope I can keep the temperature down.  Thanks

Here's my take on it.

Last winter I kept for the first time one small fig tree in my sun room all winter along with some other plants( bay tree, bougainvillea, pineapple, and a meyer lemon which hates it here). When it is extremely cold out (near and below 0 F, it will freeze in the sun room at night so I bring my plants into the house for the night. The fig tree dropped most of it's leaves but held onto 2-3. It didn't have any vegetative growth at all, but it did have some root growth, occasionally a new root would poke out the bottom to the pot. In the winter during the day when it is sunny, we open the doors from the house to the sun room and it heats the house. On a sunny day during the winter from ~10AM-3PM the temperature in the sun room is usually around 70-80 degrees. The cool thing is that the tree in the sun room started active growth only 3-4 weeks before all the dormant trees in the garage began breaking dormancy.

For the past month I have had 7 trees ranging from 2-3 yrs old in the sun room ripening figs. And 4 small trees that were rooted between late winter and late spring. None of these trees are actively growing vegetation. All the bigger trees are gradually yellowing and dropping leaves  and slowly going into dormancy while ripening their remaining figs. Most sunny days this time of year it is around 85 degrees in there between 11-2 and that is with at least half of the outer sliding doors opened to cool it. I do put aluminum foil on the sunny side of the pots though, otherwise that side of the pot gets hot enough to kill roots just like during the heat of summer. At night time(now) the temps drop to 40ish in the sun room. During the day when I feel the pots they are cool to the touch.  The foil stops the pots from getting hot and warming the soil and roots. Overall, the majority of the time over a 24 hour period the temps are low enough to cool the pots and soil to a degree that they don't get warm enough in the day time to break dormancy or trigger active growth in a tree that isn't quite completely dormant.

Another observation I have is the cuttings I start in late winter. I don't use any artificial light and minimally use a heat mat. As soon as my cuttings are rooted in the cup with green leaves they sit on the floor in front of a sliding glass door that joins to the sun room. Eventually they are acclimated enough to stay in the sun room all day when it is warm enough, but the dry and hot air in the sun room is very hostile to fragile young treelings so I have to be very careful in the beginning. Generally I start several varieties in late winter early spring, and never all at the same time. Without any grow light supplementation and extra warming of the root zone, their growth is  very slow for the first couple of months and the plants from cuttings that I start in December won't be much bigger than cuttings that I start a month or more later in late January or February. But it never fails that once day light hours begin to increase, suddenly all the rooted/dry air stable cuttings begin to grow much faster.


What this all means to me is that hours of daylight is one growth trigger, and temperature of the root zone is a stronger trigger for older trees. The small treelings have a relatively warm root zone all along(though not optimal because the floor is cold compared to a 75-80 degree heat mat) and don't grow fast until the daylight hours increase. The potted trees, for me, seem to hold dormancy or not active growth until the root zone is consistently warm enough to meet a threshold.

Great info, Calvin!

To bed they go! lol

This is a root cellar under a covered porch. Concrete on all sides. This works very well for overwintering. I just give them a very small amount of water every six weeks or so only if needed. The soil usually stays damp enough though in this environment that they don't require any additional water.
Tyler

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Tyler
That is a nice collection of fig trees.  I count 52 in the photo.
Have you decided which you will plant in-ground?

Hey Tyler....looks like you have a pretty cool set up.  Cudo's to you as it looks like it's a lot of work too!

Pino.. I haven't totally decided yet. Some of the hardier ones for sure... HC, MBVS, Niagara Black, Doree, Black Bethlehem, Desert King etc... but first I have to test the waters as to how much yard space I will be allowed to use up lol....

and just for the record there are a few multiples in that pic ;)

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Originally Posted by Luzzu
Hey Tyler....looks like you have a pretty cool set up.  Cudo's to you as it looks like it's a lot of work too!


Yes I worked up a good sweat for sure that day lol

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